Ubuntu now has a community-built PPA for stable versions of Mesa

Quoting: m0nt3

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: m0nt3Ubuntu needs a rolling release. Rolling release has been nice for me using opensource drivers. I dont have to worry about adding unofficial repositories and still get the latest stable drivers. The issue with rolling release is steam packaging old lib files that are incompatible with the opensource drivers.

If you want a rolling release, you can already use Debian testing.

It is not a true rolling release, as it has freezes states for when it moves into stable and it is not fitted with the larger repositories of Ubuntu, and due to its stance of remaining completely free there is no easy proprietary driver installation for instance or out of box support for things like audio and video decoding. in that case the user has to add the non-free repo.

And with Ubuntu's point releases system upgrades can cause breakage as can adding in unofficial repositories, which is why the rolling release would be nice.

Indeed, Debian did propaganda for years in claiming "stable" means stable&secure, but these packages were months outdated all things allready fixed upstream in new version, the Debians guys telling people only they can do it, but the actual developers of that software can't - lol
In reality "stable" means unstable&insecure&outdated

We have a trusted package base & software, let the developers fix their own software and give the fixes and new features faster to the novice users (which don't use mesa-git on their distro)
Same in kernel, running amdgpu_cik far over a year now, they claim not to be ready to be default, but that is wrong! Until CIK is activated by default, my gpu is not needed anymore and exchanged with newer graphic card. And the ROTFL is: amdgpu_si (even older cards) got straight to default upstream. I'm old, too - watching this for 20 years now, but on some spots of the open source developer community are sitting some lame ducks - conservative & full of fear (till the next fork happens;)


Last edited by lelouch on 10 December 2016 at 9:25 pm UTC

Quoting: MGOid

Quoting: paasistiLinux Mint 18 with Cinnamon.

I'm using sudo ppa-purge ppa:paulo-miguel-dias/pkppa

I tried aborting the first deletion and accepting the second, but that didn't get me too far it seems. Now ppa-purge says that the PPA is removed, but my Mesa version is still 13.0.2 - padoka PPA and the original issue is not fixed (and, skype and steam won't start so need to reinstall those, at the least..)


EDIT again:
Well, I solved this by upgrading to the bleeding edge PPA. Everything seems okay now (no screen tearing as there was before when I tried the PPA) so I guess everything is awesome again. Although it would would be nice to know how to downgrade if there's ever need..

Hum, maybe there is something with the Mint packages not being completely compatible with the Ubuntu ones. Tried the same command you posted (I'm also using Padoka's stable PPA) and it was okay in a Kubuntu 16.10 install.

Concerning newest mesa just working for gaming, I would strongly recommend you to switch to a distro which is NOT based on Debian/unbuntu - any other - OR compile mesa-git/llvm-svn your self.

BTW on my distro it's all in AUR https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&K=mesa-git and I use it with package manager yaourt (pacman+AUR). You can even add a signed repo with precompiled llvm-svn.

Running mesa 13.1-dev/amdgpu/CIK/opengl4.5. stable as always, but newest version.


Last edited by lelouch on 10 December 2016 at 9:27 pm UTC

Quoting: lelouch

Quoting: MGOid

Quoting: paasistiLinux Mint 18 with Cinnamon.

I'm using sudo ppa-purge ppa:paulo-miguel-dias/pkppa

I tried aborting the first deletion and accepting the second, but that didn't get me too far it seems. Now ppa-purge says that the PPA is removed, but my Mesa version is still 13.0.2 - padoka PPA and the original issue is not fixed (and, skype and steam won't start so need to reinstall those, at the least..)


EDIT again:
Well, I solved this by upgrading to the bleeding edge PPA. Everything seems okay now (no screen tearing as there was before when I tried the PPA) so I guess everything is awesome again. Although it would would be nice to know how to downgrade if there's ever need..

Hum, maybe there is something with the Mint packages not being completely compatible with the Ubuntu ones. Tried the same command you posted (I'm also using Padoka's stable PPA) and it was okay in a Kubuntu 16.10 install.

Concerning newest mesa just working for gaming, I would strongly recommend you to switch to a distro which is NOT based on Debian/unbuntu - any other - OR compile mesa-git/llvm-svn your self.

BTW on my distro it's all in AUR https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&K=mesa-git and I use it with package manager yaourt (pacman+AUR). You can even add a signed repo with precompiled llvm-svn.

Running mesa 13.1-dev/amdgpu/CIK/opengl4.5. stable as always, but newest version.

The whole point of this article is to highlight a stable driver and to a development version which can be buggy from time to time.

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: aFoxNamedMorris

Quoting: lelouchWho cares!? Ubuntu was sadly once popular, but was never good (like SuSE). Fedora (Red Hat) is from some importance, leading a big part of linux development.

But folks these endless upgrade cyles and delays for new kernels, drivers, software - you want new graphics drivers faster w/o adding 3rd party PPAs, but still stable: Since a few years now there are Linux Distros with rolling releases - perfect for gaming and time saving

Because plenty of people still use Ubuntu and it's derivatives, myself included.

According to GOL users (x)buntu is also the most used https://www.gamingonlinux.com/users/statistics

I loved XFCE until I found out it was the slowest desktop for gaming even with compositing off.

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Quoting: DuckeenieI loved XFCE until I found out it was the slowest desktop for gaming even with compositing off.

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That benchmark is far from scientific though. Seems like every single test gets conflicting results.

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: DuckeenieI loved XFCE until I found out it was the slowest desktop for gaming even with compositing off.

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That benchmark is far from scientific though. Seems like every single test gets conflicting results.

Don't know why you say conflicting results, XFCE comes last in every single test. Scientific or not without counter-evidence it stands. :P

Phronix did similar tests too.


Last edited by Duckeenie on 16 December 2016 at 12:13 pm UTC

Quoting: Duckeenie

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: DuckeenieI loved XFCE until I found out it was the slowest desktop for gaming even with compositing off.

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That benchmark is far from scientific though. Seems like every single test gets conflicting results.

Don't know why you say conflicting results, XFCE comes last in every single test. Scientific or not without counter-evidence it stands. :P

Phronix did similar tests too.

The Phoronix test uses Ubuntu's default settings with the compositors enabled.

EDIT: Data gathered by non-scientific means doesn't become science simply because nobody tested properly.


Last edited by tuubi on 16 December 2016 at 12:20 pm UTC

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: Duckeenie

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: DuckeenieI loved XFCE until I found out it was the slowest desktop for gaming even with compositing off.

Source

That benchmark is far from scientific though. Seems like every single test gets conflicting results.

Don't know why you say conflicting results, XFCE comes last in every single test. Scientific or not without counter-evidence it stands. :P

Phronix did similar tests too.

The Phoronix test uses Ubuntu's default settings with the compositors enabled.

Which is why I used the other link in the first instance... The point is two independent tests show that XFCE is slower when gaming.

Quoting: Duckeenie

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: Duckeenie

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: DuckeenieI loved XFCE until I found out it was the slowest desktop for gaming even with compositing off.

Source

That benchmark is far from scientific though. Seems like every single test gets conflicting results.

Don't know why you say conflicting results, XFCE comes last in every single test. Scientific or not without counter-evidence it stands. :P

Phronix did similar tests too.

The Phoronix test uses Ubuntu's default settings with the compositors enabled.

Which is why I used the other link in the first instance... The point is two independent tests show that XFCE is slower when gaming.

And a quick googling will produce tests where it isn't. In my own tests on my systems against Mate and a couple of others left Xfce somewhere in the middle with insignificantly small differences overall (on my hardware at least), so I saw no reason to ditch the DE I'm most comfortable with.

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: Duckeenie

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: Duckeenie

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: DuckeenieI loved XFCE until I found out it was the slowest desktop for gaming even with compositing off.

Source

That benchmark is far from scientific though. Seems like every single test gets conflicting results.

Don't know why you say conflicting results, XFCE comes last in every single test. Scientific or not without counter-evidence it stands. :P

Phronix did similar tests too.

The Phoronix test uses Ubuntu's default settings with the compositors enabled.

Which is why I used the other link in the first instance... The point is two independent tests show that XFCE is slower when gaming.

And a quick googling will produce tests where it isn't. In my own tests on my systems against Mate and a couple of others left Xfce somewhere in the middle with insignificantly small differences overall (on my hardware at least), so I saw no reason to ditch the DE I'm most comfortable with.

It's likely that the performance disparity is not nearly as apparent on stronger hardware. Phoronix seems to have used Intel integrated graphics while the other test used Radeon R7 integrated. I will probably try out some other DE on my laptop and see if it makes a difference. Probably won't care enough to replace Xfce on my desktop though.