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A note about the sources of our information and how we really don't rip others off

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It appears some people in the community just want to see me fail, but others just outright don't know what they are talking about. I want to put some claims about us ripping off others work to rest.

The fact is, we and other sites do have some crossover in content. This is impossible not to have, since we are interested in some of the same stuff and we are subscribed to the same mailing lists, following the same RSS feeds, same Twitter feeds and so on.

Recently there have been some baseless claims that I have been ripping off Phoronix. Due to posting about Mesa, but to make this very clear that is not true. I am subscribed to the exact same public mailing lists and I included a shot of it sat in my inbox to help:
That's only my personal email box, I also have our official gamingonlinux email inboxes with their own subscribed lists.

That led to further claims like this:
QuoteEveryone knows that Liam rips off every possible source but they give him a pass because he spends time for the linux gaming cause.

To make it really clear. Here's three articles right away showing how little I care about linking to Phoronix 1 - 2 - 3. Notice the very clear links to Phoronix. You will see in 99% of articles I clearly link to places that I either got the information from, or who inspired me to write about the subject.

As some more examples, the article I wrote about ditching SteamOS in favour of a normal distribution. You will see the very clear link in it to BoilingSteam as they inspired the article.

I could pull out a near endless list of our articles where we source people far and wide. Okay, so not nearly endless, but you get the idea.

Any regular reader of GOL will know we credit our sources in a very clear way. I am not afraid of linking to a source of information. Why would I be? I don't depend on revenue from every single page visit as we don't have adverts. I don't need to worry about sending you elsewhere with source links.

Then it leads me to this:
QuoteIf I was you I would NEVER waste your time on - Liam doesn't value "freedom of speech" and has no problem banning and censoring content which he deems contraversial or which personally pisses him off or rubs him wrong.

Trust me, you're far better off on a forum with no dictator like /r/linux_gaming or the Google+ group IMO.

Yes, we do ban people and remove content when it breaks our few short rules, or when you outright attack other people or me directly. GOL is not reddit, our website is not a safe haven for personal attacks to be made. Freedom of speech does not apply on a privately run website that prides itself on having a respectful community. Break our rules and we will deal with it, it's a simple thing to understand.
It's also funny, because a moderator of /r/linux_gaming replied to that post telling them "To disabuse you of that perception: Keep behaving like a twat and I'll ban you.". The moderators on /r/linux_gaming do a pretty good job!

No one is perfect and I sure as hell am not, but I am trying to do interesting stuff and dealing with people trying to discredit me is becoming more of a hassle. I will not give up, so don't worry about that. I just want to make sure that when people read stuff like that, not to believe it.

I also had to come to terms with the fact that other people will likely have the same sources as me, so to people like Phoronix who I have at times poked with "you didn't source us!" or some junk, I apologise.

Also, I recently became an Antergos convert, you should all try it. It's really great and surprisingly way more stable than Ubuntu has ever been for me.

Now, can we move on, stop claiming silly things and let me do the job my Patreon supporters pay me to do? Thank you <3 Article taken from
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liamdawe 18 January 2017 at 7:02 pm UTC
laghWhy do you even react to that bullshit?
If I don't, this is how myself and GOL end up being recognised in the wider community, because these assholes get upvoted continuously until I refute their claims. In short, it would be a disaster for relations.
rodvil 18 January 2017 at 7:19 pm UTC
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This is my only source of gaming information so I really appreciate that you cover important issues and news, even if they were covered before somewhere else. I don't read somewhere else!
And I feel you always mention your sources and link to them. I even discovered most of these other places, that I don't visit regularly, because of GOL.
Keep up the great work!
lagh 18 January 2017 at 7:38 pm UTC
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laghWhy do you even react to that bullshit?
If I don't, this is how myself and GOL end up being recognised in the wider community, because these assholes get upvoted continuously until I refute their claims. In short, it would be a disaster for relations.
Yeah you are right. The comment of mine was a little bit short sighted. That is why
I'll keep supporting you, for the bigger picture ;)
Uncleivan 18 January 2017 at 7:45 pm UTC
I use antergos as well in 4 months i used the terminal for the sensors command only. Its that out of the box; NVIDIA drivers and kernels are updated automaticly.
numasan 18 January 2017 at 8:10 pm UTC
Liam, you have build something great and the vast majority of us are thankful for that. I am sorry to hear about trolls who attack your character, and the internet can be awful like that, but they are just lowlife trolls with no accomplishments. Glad to hear that it doesn't get to you, and keep doing what you do, even if you had to spend time on this article. Thank you!
Luke_Nukem 18 January 2017 at 9:12 pm UTC
BeamboomThat said, I do agree that you've been a tad too thin skinned in the past. That seems to have become a lot better now though, something that I personally appreciate.
Oh trust me, I have an entire roll of tinfoil and duct tape covering my entire body that no silly words will penetrate.

Tinfoil is kinda thin and easy to rip... I suggest getting fitted with a fat-suit or something rubbery.

c704710 19 January 2017 at 1:23 am UTC
I'm personally offended that you don't rip-off info from UVL

cue58 19 January 2017 at 8:46 am UTC
Sorry if this is a bit of a controversial opinion, but who really cares if people "rip off" information from each other.
Who gets hurt when journalists borrow info and articles from each other? Is it the readers? No.
The only source that matters is the original source, I really don't care if secondary sources get credit just for being "first".
Information is information, it doesn't belong to anyone. People only want you to think that to protect their own selfish interests, because the only way to own information is to keep it a secret.

Not every site is a collection of articles for gaming, are we supposed to not spread gaming news to readers of a gaming news site just because another (probably non-gaming specific) site reported on it?
It's just silly, and honestly I have a really low opinion of anyone who gets worked up over that.

Of course, I know you haven't been "ripping off" information anyway. I'm just saying that I personally wouldn't care even if you were. The direct sources are all that matters. Beyond that you could copy-paste from secondary sources all you want and not give them any credit at all for all I care.

Last edited by cue58 at 19 January 2017 at 8:52 am UTC
Nezchan 19 January 2017 at 2:21 pm UTC
laghWhy do you even react to that bullshit?
If I don't, this is how myself and GOL end up being recognised in the wider community, because these assholes get upvoted continuously until I refute their claims. In short, it would be a disaster for relations.

I think it's also a matter for the wider Linux reporting and blogging community. For all the gains of Linux, we're still a relatively small pond. So if it weren't GoL catching this heat, sooner or later it'd be one of the other sites. Letting this sort of thing stand uncorrected isn't good for the Linux community as a whole.
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