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It seems Canonical have done a bit of a U-turn on dropping 32bit support for Ubuntu, as many expected they would do. Their official statement is now out for those interested.

The most important part to be aware of is their new plan:

Thanks to the huge amount of feedback this weekend from gamers, Ubuntu Studio, and the WINE community, we will change our plan and build selected 32-bit i386 packages for Ubuntu 19.10 and 20.04 LTS.

We will put in place a community process to determine which 32-bit packages are needed to support legacy software, and can add to that list post-release if we miss something that is needed.

That's not the end of it though of course, eventually 32bit will be dropped which is inevitable really. Just not fully this time. Touching on this, they said in the post about using "container technology" to address "the ultimate end of life of 32-bit libraries" so hopefully by that time everything they need will be in place to make it super easy for users.

I'm glad Canonical have seen some sense on this, they clearly didn't communicate it well enough to begin with but they at least understand when they've made a big mistake like this and owning up to failures is part of what builds trust, so I'm happier now. Next time this happens, I just hope they give a very clear roadmap giving everyone proper time to prepare, which they didn't this time.

Their full statement is here. It will be interesting to see how Valve react, after announcing an end of Ubuntu support for Steam for Ubuntu 19.10 onwards.

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Eike 25 June 2019 at 4:01 pm UTC
riusmaNo (or that "thousands of studies" are not peer-reviewed and published in very low quality publications that can accept studies with poor methodology). You will find a good (and recent) summary of the state of the art here with a curated bibliography on this subject.

The base claim, "Heat is the only influence radio can have on a body", is disputed. I could give you a Geman source if it helps you.

PS: And the following is a red flag of non-science: "Claims of harm from cell phone use — not just 5G, but all cell phones — should also be red flagged because they are tirelessly promoted by the Environmental Working Group". Truth never depends on whichever group agrees or disagrees.


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TheSHEEEP 25 June 2019 at 4:08 pm UTC
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EikeEven tinfoil hat wearers won't have everything in their lives wrong.
Of course not!
Their brains are not yet rotting away from cellphone radiation! Duh!
Eike 25 June 2019 at 4:13 pm UTC
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EikeEven tinfoil hat wearers won't have everything in their lives wrong.
Of course not!
Their brains are not yet rotting away from cellphone radiation! Duh!

If my words are missunderstandable:
When they use an alarm clock to wake up in the morning, this doesn't make alarm clocks wrong. (I'll remove that so people won't be distracted.)


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thelimeydragon 25 June 2019 at 4:46 pm UTC
For some WINE games/programs you would also need the 32-bit version of Timidity and all the things it requires to listen/play MIDI music in your windows software.
riusma 25 June 2019 at 5:02 pm UTC
EikeThe base claim, "Heat is the only influence radio can have on a body", is disputed. I could give you a Geman source if it helps you.

I know that there is studies that investigate potential effects at cell level and have shown potential pathways... but on that subject only epidemiological studies on large population are relevant (knowing that there is a potential way for an effect means nothing if this effect do not exist in the population... we are using cellphones etc. since at least 20 years so we don't lack data in this field). Such studies (large population with statistically relevant results) simply do not exist for now...

(You know that my German is even far poorer that my English? I'm probably just able to get a bier in a pub and I just remember the first half of Die Lorelei by Heinrich Heine... which is probably not that bad when I think about it! )

EikePS: And the following is a red flag of non-science: "Claims of harm from cell phone use — not just 5G, but all cell phones — should also be red flagged because they are tirelessly promoted by the Environmental Working Group". Truth never depends on whichever group agrees or disagrees.

No sorry. The "red flag" here is not that one should discard those claims blindly, but that one should be very careful when reading facts from a source that is known to give bad information (they may be wrong or right, but one should be more cautious with such sources).

Btw, I'm not sure where we are herding this discussion that is far from the original topic of the post, and it's difficult for me to have such discussion in English so I should probably stop here (sorry for any mistake in my comment, I can assure you that no baker has been harmed during the operations).


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Jaromir 25 June 2019 at 6:02 pm UTC
F.UltraThat is just a long list of unsubstantiated pseudoscience that have no basis in reality. And if you do find some real studies in that long list of yours I can guarantee right now that they are studying energies that are extremely more powerful than was is used in wireless communications.

We've had cellphones and wireless networks for 36 years and still there is not a single case of increasing cancer rates or other deceases that the cranks are connecting to radio frequencies.

Fun fact is that the number of "EM-sensitive" people have decreased by a large margin since Facebook and Instagram became popular. Strange isn't it. Another fun fact is that to date there has not been a single "EM-sensitive" person that have been able to determine if they have been exposed or not to EM-radiation when the tests are blinded, imagine why...
This may be off-topic but the topic is directly connected to IoT where Ubuntu now revolves.

In fact, life on earth came about thanks to the schumann frequency. And this frequency still plays an important role in all living things. Certain human brain waves are synchronized with the schumann frequency, for example.

One of the problems with EMF is that it breaks this synchronization with the schumann frequency and this has far-reaching consequences anyway.

There are also more than enough recent scientific studies that confirm that EMF has serious consequences for all biological life on earth:

Favourable and Unfavourable EMF Frequency Patterns in Cancer: Perspectives for Improved Therapy and Prevention
Important parameters for optimized metal nanoparticles-aided electromagnetic field (EMF) effect on cancer
Are Rises in Electro-Magnetic Field in the Human Environment, interacting with Multiple Environmental Pollutions, the Tripping Point for Increases in Neurological Deaths in the Western World?
Passive eye movements induced by electromagnetic force (EMF) in rats
In vivo Experimental Models to Investigate EMF Effects on Bone
The Effects of Electromagnetic Field on the Endocrine System in Children and Adolescents
Mobile Phone Base Station Tower Settings Adjacent to School Buildings: Impact on Students’ Cognitive Health
Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) in Honey Bees Caused by EMF Radiation
Nanobang 25 June 2019 at 7:06 pm UTC
IoT: More ways to be hacked, more ways to be spied on. Socio-techno dross. Also pretty unrelated to the article at hand---not as unrelated as, say EMF sickness, but pretty fuckin' unrelated all the same.
Purple Library Guy 25 June 2019 at 7:11 pm UTC
Prime_EvilGiven that part of the reason for dropping support for 32-bit libraries is the effort required to perform QA, would it be worth running a fundraiser so those who care about continued multiarch support can contribute towards a solution? Would Canonical be open to such a solution - it seems a better use of the community's time and effort than the angst out there at the moment...
The angst out there at the moment got them to partially change their mind in just a couple of days, and that's just so far. Seems like a good use of time to me.
Purple Library Guy 25 June 2019 at 7:24 pm UTC
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jasonmI can see why they want to remove 32 bit libs because it's a ton of work.
But a ton of work for whom? They still get the majority of their packages directly from Debian, throwing a patch on one or the other package and just compile. If Debian still supports newer versions of 32 bit libraries, how much work is there really to be done for canonical?

How much work is it to deal with many many thousands of packages and actually make a new release every 6 months? If I need to explain to you why there is a lot of work to do this the conversation is kinda already over I'm sad to say. Sure they get packages from Debian. There is a lot of work maintaining and supporting them as a whole. If you don't think keeping 32 bit is a lot of work I think you're somewhat out of touch. Sure, it's easier than if they had to make every single package themselves, but that doesn't mean it's not complex to keep everything working smoothly and supporting it.
Are we talking about two different things again? Many thousands sounds rather like you're talking about releasing the whole distro on 32-bit, so as to be usable on 32-bit hardware. But after this many pages of discussion, I thought it was rather clear that's not what we're talking about and not something most people had a problem with.
Do all the 32-bit games etc. really depend on thousands of libraries? I'm prepared to be told yes, it just seems kind of odd.
Jaromir 25 June 2019 at 8:02 pm UTC
NanobangIoT: More ways to be hacked, more ways to be spied on. Socio-techno dross. Also pretty unrelated to the article at hand---not as unrelated as, say EMF sickness, but pretty fuckin' unrelated all the same.
It is predicted that 5G (= EMF) will benefit IoT innovation. So the IoT revolution in which Ubuntu is an important player will make living organisms (and people) sicker by increasing the EMF radiation.

This seems to me to contradict the Ubuntu philosophy:

"You cannot only be human and when you have this characteristic - Ubuntu - you are known for your generosity. We think of ourselves too often, because only individuals, separated from each other, while you are connected and what you do affect the entire world. When you do it right, it spreads; it's for all humanity. "

The link between Ubuntu Linux and EMF disease is therefore 5G technology that plays a central role in both cases.
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