Dolphin, the Gamecube and Wii emulator is working on a Vulkan backend

Quoting: wojtek88But if you have a car but do not have money for gasoline, do you steal it?

Blah blah, artificial scarcity etc. Stealing something tangible vs. making a copy. IOW: Don't be Lars Ulrich please. Metallica is was awesome but that guy's an idiot.

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: wojtek88But if you have a car but do not have money for gasoline, do you steal it?

Blah blah, artificial scarcity etc. Stealing something tangible vs. making a copy. IOW: Don't be Lars Ulrich please. Metallica is was awesome but that guy's an idiot.

It may sound different, but in reality it isn't.

Personal copies I think should be 100% legal, however, passing a copy to someone who hasn't purchased it themselves is piracy. That's the entire point, that person you are passing it to has never owned it, and got something they are supposed to pay for free even though they aren't entitled to it.

That whole "copying isn't stealing" argument is basically bullshit. Again, personal copying I think should always be legal, passing it around is not.

If everyone did that, developers would never make any money.

Anyway, this argument has been had elsewhere :P

Quoting: AnxiousInfusion

Quoting: Kuduzkehpan1) Games and Hardwares' ownerships are designeted by their own license. So violating these licenses is a bitching.
2) Piracy is a big shit on developers and customers. (less income less quality and games from same source)
3) You dont have to buy hardware and software also at the first place you agreed all EULAS when you did buy that Hardware and software.
4) Everyone needs to take care of her/his family and him/her-self unless someone bitching with their property.
5) There is noting left to us unless to protest non-free and copyrights in harmless ways as in all manners.
6) You can even go a square and tell people about their bullshitting lock-in ecosystem and marketing games.

I would love to address your statements but we should probably only do so in a place where disfavored ideas are welcomed. You can always find me on Voat, a site which encourages unrestricted discourse and frowns upon moderation that attempts to influence opinions. It became popular after Reddit started to become censorious and authoritative.

Oh get a grip.

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: wojtek88But if you have a car but do not have money for gasoline, do you steal it?

Blah blah, artificial scarcity etc. Stealing something tangible vs. making a copy. IOW: Don't be Lars Ulrich please. Metallica is was awesome but that guy's an idiot.

It may sound different, but in reality it isn't.

It sounds different because it is. ;) Theft and software piracy are not the same thing ethically, even if they are legally. The "you wouldn't steal a car" non-analogy really rubs me the wrong way, apples and oranges and all that.

But I know this isn't the right forum for this discussion. Linux gaming, woo! Emulators, yum!

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: wojtek88But if you have a car but do not have money for gasoline, do you steal it?

Blah blah, artificial scarcity etc. Stealing something tangible vs. making a copy. IOW: Don't be Lars Ulrich please. Metallica is was awesome but that guy's an idiot.

It may sound different, but in reality it isn't.

It sounds different because it is. ;) Theft and software piracy are not the same thing ethically, even if they are legally. The "you wouldn't steal a car" non-analogy really rubs me the wrong way, apples and oranges and all that.

But I know this isn't the right forum for this discussion. Linux gaming, woo! Emulators, yum!

Well I'm not censoring anyone, I'm enjoying the mostly reasonable discussion on it apart from the "waaa don't tell me what to think" type of comments.

It's an interesting issue, as people feel strongly about it on both sides.

For me though, if the developer doesn't give their game away for free and expects payment (like 99% of games) and you chuck a copy to a friend, you're doing something illegal (in most countries I think?) and unethical (because it shits on said developer).

Quoting: liamdaweFor me though, if the developer doesn't give their game away for free and expects payment (like 99% of games) and you chuck a copy to a friend, you're doing something illegal (in most countries I think?) and unethical (because it shits on said developer).

I agree with you, and I don't take part in or advocate piracy. But that doesn't mean it's all black and white, and that all crime is equal. Most of us live in democratic countries though, and if and when we disagree with our laws, the right thing to do is to try to get them changed, not to break them. Activism is okay and even desirable, illegal or antisocial behaviour less so.

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: liamdaweFor me though, if the developer doesn't give their game away for free and expects payment (like 99% of games) and you chuck a copy to a friend, you're doing something illegal (in most countries I think?) and unethical (because it shits on said developer).

I agree with you, and I don't take part in or advocate piracy. But that doesn't mean it's all black and white, and that all crime is equal. Most of us live in democratic countries though, and if and when we disagree with our laws, the right thing to do is to try to get them changed, not to break them. Activism is okay and even desirable, illegal or antisocial behaviour less so.

In total agreement on all points there :)

I do not see the harm done to developers and publishers if you copy a rom not being sold any more. In my country this would only be legal if you own the original game.

I go the route that i buy what is still sold, but download what I can not buy by developers/publishers anymore, since I dont see any harm done (i would just be unable to play it, they would still not get anything), fully aware of the fact that it theoretically is still illegal, but they fail to give me an option to obtain it a legal way.

I would prefer if they put up stores where you legally can buy and download rom dumps of their games (new or old). But I hardly have hope that this will happen any time soon (hard part would be copyright protection).

Quoting: STiATI would prefer if they put up stores where you legally can buy and download rom dumps of their games (new or old). But I hardly have hope that this will happen any time soon (hard part would be copyright protection).

There are a few (sort of) official ways to acquire ROMs for older systems, though of course not every single game ever released is available.

The Humble Store has a lot of Neo Geo games without DRM. You'll get the ROMs and even the BIOS required by emulators.

SEGA offers many of their Mega Drive / Genesis games via Steam. These contain the original ROMs, though you'll have to use a Windows-only tool to extract them.

I also believe the Wii Shop Channel is still active and enables you to buy games for the NES, SNES, N64 and other consoles. If you have a homebrew enabled Wii, you could dump the Virtual Console channels to your computer and extract the ROMs using tools like romextract or vcromclaim.

Sega remade something for those packs in steam?