Heroes of Hammerwatch [Steam], the rogue-lite action-adventure from Crackshell is now officially out and it looks good, sadly though the Linux version is Steam only.
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Originally, the GOG store actually showed it was coming to Linux, but at release it's Windows-only on GOG. Speaking on Steam, the developer stated this is due to GOG Galaxy not being on Linux:
Sorry, their Galaxy system and SDK doesn't support Linux so in the end it seems like its not coming on GOG until we get that sorted
Their previous Hammerwatch game has a Linux build on GOG, but that was due to it having Direct IP connect multiplayer, whereas it seems they've moved towards using services from GOG and Steam to help handle multiplayer. This is obviously a repeating problem for Linux gamers, with multiple games not having a Linux build on GOG due to this.
About the game:
Heroes of Hammerwatch is a rogue-lite action-adventure game set in the same universe as Hammerwatch. Encounter endless hordes of enemies, traps, puzzles, secrets and lots of loot, as you battle your way through procedurally generated levels to reach the top of the Forsaken Spire.
A rogue-lite with a lot of persistent progression. You will start each run in Outlook, a town which you can upgrade to grant your heroes with various enhancements that will further help you in your quest. The heroes themselves will also remain persistent, you can even bring your own heroes to your friends game!
We've reached out to the developer for review keys, hopefully we will be able to tell you what we think soon. So far, it seems users on Steam are quite liking it.
Article taken from GamingOnLinux.com.
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Avehicle7887 Mar 2, 2018
Sudden Strike 4 has LAN on GOG, so Galaxy or not you can still play MP (although Linux-Linux etc). This is the importance of client-less multiplayer.
Technically those devs saying they can't release a Linux version on GOG due to Galaxy sounds unprofessional. If they can release a Linux version on Steam what stops them from modifying it to run in Single player only? They already make the Windows version run without Steam after all.
It sucks but the least they could do is offer such a version and have GOG put a disclaimer "The Linux version can be played in Singleplayer mode only". At least until one prospective day arrives and Galaxy support for Linux is released. Those who wish to buy such a version would have the choice of doing so.
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I don't buy from Steam not because of the client, but because the games need the client and there's quite a difference there. If for example Codemasters told me "Hey, you can play our games without Steam", I'd definitely buy them, same goes for all other Linux games.
Last edited by Avehicle7887 on 2 March 2018 at 10:53 pm UTC
Technically those devs saying they can't release a Linux version on GOG due to Galaxy sounds unprofessional. If they can release a Linux version on Steam what stops them from modifying it to run in Single player only? They already make the Windows version run without Steam after all.
It sucks but the least they could do is offer such a version and have GOG put a disclaimer "The Linux version can be played in Singleplayer mode only". At least until one prospective day arrives and Galaxy support for Linux is released. Those who wish to buy such a version would have the choice of doing so.
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I don't buy from Steam not because of the client, but because the games need the client and there's quite a difference there. If for example Codemasters told me "Hey, you can play our games without Steam", I'd definitely buy them, same goes for all other Linux games.
Last edited by Avehicle7887 on 2 March 2018 at 10:53 pm UTC
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Quoting: Avehicle7887I don't buy from Steam not because of the client, but because the games need the client and there's quite a difference there. If for example Codemasters told me "Hey, you can play our games without Steam", I'd definitely buy them, same goes for all other Linux games.
There are plenty of games on Steam that you can play without the client:
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
I don't currently even have the steam client installed. I use SteamCMD (a terminal based steam downloader from Valve) to download the games, and then play.
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Quoting: hummer010Quoting: Avehicle7887I don't buy from Steam not because of the client, but because the games need the client and there's quite a difference there. If for example Codemasters told me "Hey, you can play our games without Steam", I'd definitely buy them, same goes for all other Linux games.
There are plenty of games on Steam that you can play without the client:
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
I don't currently even have the steam client installed. I use SteamCMD (a terminal based steam downloader from Valve) to download the games, and then play.
So SteamCMD works great without the Steam client installed. Does it works like lgogdownloader ?
I didn't know this was an official tool by Valve, but it's a pity it seems not open-source.
But it's a good point which that exists, i think.
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Quoting: CyrilQuoting: hummer010Quoting: Avehicle7887I don't buy from Steam not because of the client, but because the games need the client and there's quite a difference there. If for example Codemasters told me "Hey, you can play our games without Steam", I'd definitely buy them, same goes for all other Linux games.
There are plenty of games on Steam that you can play without the client:
http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games
I don't currently even have the steam client installed. I use SteamCMD (a terminal based steam downloader from Valve) to download the games, and then play.
So SteamCMD works great without the Steam client installed. Does it works like lgogdownloader ?
I didn't know this was an official tool by Valve, but it's a pity it seems not open-source.
But it's a good point which that exists, i think.
SteamCMD is somewhat like lgogdownloader. It's not open source, and it's a little more cumbersome to use. I've written a little python wrapper to make it more lgogdownloader-like.
Currently I'm only playing three games that I own on Steam: Hollow Knight, Shovel Knight, and Kerbal Space Program. All three of these work perfectly without the client. KSP I've had installed forever, and it was installed with the client. Hollow Knight and Shovel Knight were both installed using SteamCMD - they've never even seen the client.
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Quoting: ShmerlYour response is not really related to question how strong the ties are from the parent company. Do you have any insights how "free" the CEO's at GOG are in their decisions?Quoting: Kimyrielle"Related", eh?
Same parent company, different people run them.
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It appears that the Windows GOG version doesn't need to launch Galaxy to join/host a game. Anybody can confirm this ?
I saw this on the GOG forum : https://www.gog.com/forum/heroes_of_hammerwatch/multiplayer/post4
So if it's true, why the Linux version need Galaxy ?
It's confusing...
I saw this on the GOG forum : https://www.gog.com/forum/heroes_of_hammerwatch/multiplayer/post4
So if it's true, why the Linux version need Galaxy ?
It's confusing...
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Quoting: ShmerlQuoting: PitThis indeed is a point that alienates me. How do they handle games like this one, or Vikings? Can you really run them without Galaxy? It's not listed as a requirement either....
The issue is relatively simple to solve technically. They can conditionally compile source with Galaxy calls, or they could make a dummy stub, if they worry about messing up the code with conditional compilation entries.
In fact for the Windows version of the game, if you don't have Galaxy installed the game runs fine and the multiplayer options are grayed out. So they already did the work and their excuse seems to be a lie.
Usually on GOG they warn about this but I guess they missed it here, and so I am asking for a refund because IMO selling a game that requires DRM for portions of the game is unacceptable. I have lots of places to spend my money when it comes to games, no reason to pay for this type of treatment.
As an aside, I really wish GOG would release a version of Galaxy that allows LAN or Direct IP connection, the fact that they haven't leads me to conclude that Galaxy was indeed built as a DRM platform.
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Quoting: CyrilIt appears that the Windows GOG version doesn't need to launch Galaxy to join/host a game. Anybody can confirm this ?
I saw this on the GOG forum : https://www.gog.com/forum/heroes_of_hammerwatch/multiplayer/post4
So if it's true, why the Linux version need Galaxy ?
It's confusing...
Yes, I just bought and can confirm. So now I'm refunding...
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Quoting: scaineWell, after a few hours of playing this awesome game, I got drunk. Yay! You guys knock yourselves out on the DRM/Free holy war.Seems like the better choice indeed :D
QuoteRemember though, we're here, on this site, because we have three things in common: 1. We love games. 2. We use and love Linux and 3. <mumble mumble mumble>Which points out one of the differences - and maybe one reason for different attitudes concerning DRM:
For me it is 1. I run Linux and love the idea behind it 2. I love games.
This is why (for me) no game can be important enough to make me accept DRM...
QuoteThere was definitely a third thing. Community? Zombies? Beer? Probably beer. Yeah, I'm drunk.Hah, beer. I'm currently in Sweden, so no beer for me (waaaay too expensive...). So I go for the Commbies....
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