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Today, NVIDIA's brand new "SUPER" series has been officially released, along with a new Linux driver.

Available now are both the GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER and GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER, with the GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER due to release later on July 23rd.

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Both cards are based on the Turing architecture, come with 8GB GDDR6 as standard, they also both have a 14Gbps listed Memory Speed, a 256-bit listed Memory Interface Width and 448GB/sec listed Memory Bandwidth. As for the rest, I've listed some of the specifications for each below:

GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER

  • 2176 "NVIDIA CUDA Cores"
  • 1470Mhz Base Clock + 1650Mhz Boost Clock

GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER

  • 2560 "NVIDIA CUDA Cores"
  • 1605Mhz Base Clock + 1770Mhz Boost Clock

More info on the cards can be found on the official NVIDIA website.

As for the brand new 430.34 driver release, it's a pretty small and focused update to add in support for the new cards. It adds support for the GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER, GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER, Quadro RTX 4000 with Max-Q Design and Quadro RTX 5000 with Max-Q Design and nothing else is noted for it.

Find the details on the new driver here.

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Purple Library Guy 9 July 2019 at 11:32 pm UTC
lunixOpen-source is not a religion anyway.
Saint IGNUcius would be shocked. Shocked!

More seriously it's been my experience that people often say things like "X isn't a religion" when what they mean is "I don't care about ethics and I don't want to have to defend that". There are ethical and functional reasons to prefer open source when it's feasible, particularly when it comes to infrastructure or other as it were "central" things which can create lock-in. The world would be a better place in significant respects if, in all the niches that have open source versions, those open source versions dominated over closed.

Games are a weird corner case in which open source is rarely feasible, and there are various reasons why it is difficult for that to change and why it doesn't matter nearly as much. Although game engines are another matter and I would be very pleased if Godot becomes a dominant player. From their evanescence (usually) to the importance of art assets, it just doesn't work well, at least in our kind of economy. Even Richard Stallman is on record in agreeing that games are something of a special case. So not worrying about the open sourceness of games is not really a reason you shouldn't be allowed to find open source important in general. And in general, open source is in fact important.
x_wing 10 July 2019 at 12:18 am UTC
lunix
dannielloYes, there is extremely proprietary nVidia driver that in theory "just works". In reality yes - it "just works" with games, but meantime it is creating many weird glitches/errors in many, many applications and situations (like glitches after resume from hibernation).

Same true for mesa+amd/intel: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395421


Not amdgpu bug though.

lunix
x_wingIf you like to buy hardware on the release date, that's definitely a problem (that can be fixed, though). In the other hand, for almost 99% of the Linux users AMD hardware is 100% plug and play.

It's really not. A lot of linux users on steam experience issues with amd(vulkan drivers missing, glitches, bad perf. etc) and there are games which don't support amd.

And in the same way many Nvidia users experience issues with nvidia proprietary driver

https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk/issues/1100

lunix
x_wingAs a Linux user I don't see any reason to buy Nvidia hardware...

Because you're ignoring facts and concentrating on useless things.

And you're ignoring the fact that I've been using Mesa for gaming for more than three years now. Also, talking about useless things, would you recommend a user that gets the latest nvidia card to install it using their .run installer? Yes, you have "support" from day zero but it isn't for everyone.

The way that amd supports their hardware now days is definitely they way to go on Linux. And no, it's not "useless" to have a working driver out of the box.

lunixNvidia provides a better performance for a good value. It also has the best high-end cards, its cards consume less electricity and have better heat management(the new navi cards have cooling issues according to the users).

Unless you're obsessed with wayland, there's no point in getting an amd gpu other than the 5700xt(assuming that the card's price will drop soon and it can deliver).

But you buy your cards based on the power consumption or the performance per dollar that they give you? If the latter, the scenario is pretty much the same as in Windows (i.e. the 570 were kicking asses, and the 5700 will do the same with their current price).

I'm not obsessed in any way with wayland (???), I as many others just like to get the best quality and support from the money I invest. So, AMDGPU is an extra quality that sums up to the hardware, so that's why I'll always be willing to even pay an extra for AMD GPU.

In the same way I buy games on Steam because they are doing the right thing in my OS, I also apply the same logic when I have to buy hardware (i.e. Intel and AMD will always get my money, Nvidia won't)
cprn 10 July 2019 at 7:16 am UTC
I used to be hardware guru back in the 90's but nowadays I need a layman's table. Can somebody quickly summarise which AMD's GPU and CPU compare to which Nvidia's GPU and Intel's CPU for flagship models? I'm lost in all that Vega Ryzen RTX Skylake Turing bullshit.

Liam, how about a "gaming hardware for noobs" article?


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monnef 10 July 2019 at 11:28 am UTC
x_wing...
As a Linux user I don't see any reason to buy Nvidia hardware...

Performance? Last time I checked, AMD is still lagging behind Nvidia. On userbenchamark 2080ti (flagship, not best Nvidia GPU) is more than 25% more powerful than 5700 XT (best AMD GPU). And that's raw power, I am pretty sure games and game engines are much better optimized for Nvidia than AMD, so the real gap in performance in games is probably much bigger.

As a Linux user I see a clear reason why to buy Nvidia hardware.
x_wing 10 July 2019 at 11:49 am UTC
monnef
x_wing...
As a Linux user I don't see any reason to buy Nvidia hardware...

Performance? Last time I checked, AMD is still lagging behind Nvidia. On userbenchamark 2080ti (flagship, not best Nvidia GPU) is more than 25% more powerful than 5700 XT (best AMD GPU). And that's raw power, I am pretty sure games and game engines are much better optimized for Nvidia than AMD, so the real gap in performance in games is probably much bigger.

As a Linux user I see a clear reason why to buy Nvidia hardware.

You can argue a reason if you want to buy a highest end. But still, I would go for a Radeon VII all the time instead of the RTX 2080 (radeon vii benchs ).

Anyway, not everyone has a budget for a 2080 Ti and RX 5700 has a way better performance per dollar ratio than their Nvidia counter parts. And as I already said, in the same way as in Windows, AMD GPUs gives you a better performance per dollar than Nvidia: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-sub200-2019gpus&num=9


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dvd 10 July 2019 at 4:13 pm UTC
lunix
dvdAlso, getting stuff into the kernel and distributions is going a way above putting out a blob that may or may not work with your version of a kernel. (Plus they made an effort to incorporate most of their software (aside the firmware) to the larger linux ecosystem).

Then I was very lucky that it always worked for me, even with the betas on arch. Mesa on the other hand was VERY buggy with native linux games not so long ago - your kernel didn't matter.

Really? Maybe that was because AMD only started to push the open stack very recently, until then they had a separate driver much like nvidia. Ever since they made the effort to develop their open stack it's been very solid.
monnef 11 July 2019 at 10:15 am UTC
x_wingYou can argue a reason if you want to buy a highest end.
It is not "highest end", it is "high end". Nvidia has even more powerful cards like Titan or Quadro...

x_wingBut still, I would go for a Radeon VII all the time instead of the RTX 2080 (radeon vii benchs ).

Anyway, not everyone has a budget for a 2080 Ti and RX 5700 has a way better performance per dollar ratio than their Nvidia counter parts. And as I already said, in the same way as in Windows, AMD GPUs gives you a better performance per dollar than Nvidia: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-sub200-2019gpus&num=9
Yeah, for low and mid range I would too go with AMD. But on the high end of a performance spectrum there is no choice, there is no competitor for 2080ti or higher. (Also worth noting more performant AMD GPUs had issues with overheating and shutting down pc [without overclocking], not sure if it is fixed.) If you want performance, you don't care much, if at all, about fps/$ ratio. In my case I am planning to buy Index, so I am saving for high end GPU to be able to feed 144FPS (or at least 90) at >4k resolution with reasonable quality settings. And don't get me wrong, I would prefer an AMD card, but there is simply none in this specific (sub)market. I hope my next card will be AMD, that the next (or after next) gen AMD cards will start competing with high end Nvidia ones.
x_wing 11 July 2019 at 12:58 pm UTC
monnef
x_wingYou can argue a reason if you want to buy a highest end.
It is not "highest end", it is "high end". Nvidia has even more powerful cards like Titan or Quadro...

Radeon VII and the 2080 are still high end, though. It's a big cluster of things that tier (a lets keep Quadro out of Scope, as we would have to bring AMD PRO and Frontier edition)

monnefYeah, for low and mid range I would too go with AMD. But on the high end of a performance spectrum there is no choice, there is no competitor for 2080ti or higher. (Also worth noting more performant AMD GPUs had issues with overheating and shutting down pc [without overclocking], not sure if it is fixed.)

I will not argue that 2080ti has no competition for now. But Radeon VII is also high end, in the same way as RTX 2070 and 5700 XT are middle-high end. But saying that "AMD is still lagging behind Nvidia" or that Mesa features are a "concentrating on useless things" is a complete bias.

There way too many advantages of having the Open Source driver (remember gallium-nine?) and the hardware that sells AMD has an excellent performance compared to Nvidia (if not better). We are talking about the quality of a product in our OS, and AMD exceeds by far to Nvidia products in almost every tier (from my point of view).

By the way, regarding the overheating "issue" both sides has this troubles: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-2080-ti-gpu-defects-launch,37995.html

x_wingIf you want performance, you don't care much, if at all, about fps/$ ratio. In my case I am planning to buy Index, so I am saving for high end GPU to be able to feed 144FPS (or at least 90) at >4k resolution with reasonable quality settings. And don't get me wrong, I would prefer an AMD card, but there is simply none in this specific (sub)market. I hope my next card will be AMD, that the next (or after next) gen AMD cards will start competing with high end Nvidia ones.

Well, you're a very specific customer so that is way you prefer a product created for a very specific market. But for almost everyone else, AMD still have excellent product in all the tiers and is (from my point of view) the best choice for a Linux user.


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lunix 22 July 2019 at 3:45 pm UTC
Purple Library GuyMore seriously it's been my experience that people often say things like "X isn't a religion" when what they mean is "I don't care about ethics and I don't want to have to defend that".

And when I hear people saying things like what you said I know what they mean is "I don't understand Intellectual Property or licensing and I would rather follow trends mindlessly instead of thinking objectively."

Purple Library GuyThere are ethical and functional reasons to prefer open source when it's feasible

Ethical? No. Functional? Yes, but it depends. Most probably nvidia doesn't need to hide its code - it's doing it because their code might contain 3rd-party code with a different license. This is usually the case with most closed-source software.

Purple Library Guyparticularly when it comes to infrastructure or other as it were "central" things which can create lock-in.

If you use nvidia you use nvidia - there is no real lock-in. Nvidia is not a necessity anyway.

Purple Library GuyThe world would be a better place in significant respects if, in all the niches that have open source versions, those open source versions dominated over closed.

Only if piracy wouldn't exist.

Purple Library GuyGames are a weird corner case in which open source is rarely feasible, and there are various reasons why it is difficult for that to change and why it doesn't matter nearly as much.

IP is not a corner case - it's the main case.

Purple Library GuySo not worrying about the open sourceness of games is not really a reason you shouldn't be allowed to find open source important in general. And in general, open source is in fact important.

Open-source is important, but not critical. It could be the defacto standard if piracy wouldn't exist.
lunix 22 July 2019 at 3:50 pm UTC
x_wingThere way too many advantages of having the Open Source driver

Not really, but it seems like it does have quite a few disadvantages.

x_wingand the hardware that sells AMD has an excellent performance compared to Nvidia (if not better).

And that's a lie according to the benchmarks. The 5700xt is a good card but the rest from amd are really weak competitors.

x_wingWe are talking about the quality of a product in our OS, and AMD exceeds by far to Nvidia products in almost every tier (from my point of view).

Well, your point of view is biased so that's your problem.

x_wingBy the way, regarding the overheating "issue" both sides has this troubles: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-2080-ti-gpu-defects-launch,37995.html

Funny, that with AMD it's almost always the first issue.
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