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The 7 Days To Die Saga Continues, Still No Linux Version

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The developers behind 7 Days To Die do like to tease us and then repeatedly go silent now don't they? Here's the latest on what's going on and it's not good as usual.

I have for the second time been banned from a forum of theirs due to their community moderators complete inability to moderate a discussion and this moderator proceeded to blame the entire Linux community which is a very sad thing:
QuoteSince the Linux crowd can not act in a mature manner, any further insults, derogatory comments, and slander will be met with severe repercussions, there will be no further warnings on this matter.


If you remember I kicked up a bit of a stink with the developers for how let down I personally felt along with the thoughts of their many Linux Kickstarter backers for their complete and utter silence on the Linux port. They said on their Kickstarter they hoped to have the Linux version out in two months which of course didn't happen.

Once they took notice of how unhappy I was they finally responded in that linked article above were for some reason one of their programmers stated they had to do the Linux version in their spare time...what? Again this only came up as I kept at them to keep their promises. I still struggle to fathom why a developer has to work on something in his spare time that was one of the projects original goals.

Here's a moderator stating that fact again:
QuoteActually, you're ticking developers off and making outrageous and unsupported claims tends to fuel the exact opposite reaction. The developers are trying to work around 3rd party code that isn't available/working on linux. One developer was kind enough to say he would put addition effort forth IN HIS SPARE TIME and you pooped all over him.

So, getting a developer to be honest is ticking them off? That's new. I'm also not entirely sure how I "pooped all over him" either.

They have now locked the entire Linux topic on their Steam forum and banned me from that stating this to me personally:
QuoteYour stink is having the opposite effect of that you would like achieved. You are being detrimental to all those who wish to actually see this ported and working on Linux.

Only I can see that FYI on my banned panel. I completely disagree, as it forced them to actually be open with the Linux community which paying customers including myself deserved.
Here's a nice picture to also show the childish message I personally got from the moderator on 7 Days To Die's official Steam forum:
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"Stink on this", just wow.

Yet another ban later and more stink and what happens? They have now given the reasons for the delay!
QuoteLinux bugs are in fact worked out of the game and it is very playable, but broken code in a 3rd party .dll (the Steam wrapper for Linux) is keeping it from release. If we released it as-is and Linux users couldn't host a game there would be backlash. With that, we can not release a port without proper Steam support, as large portions of our game depend on it.

So originally it was an API preventing a 64bit version, but now they are stating it's their entire Steam wrapper plugin. They seem to like changing their mind.

The moderator also stated this:
QuoteTFP are hoping the company coding the 3rd party wrapper get more in-gear and complete the portion Linux relies on. In the meantime they are considering switching the wrapper (for *all* platforms - Windows, Mac and Linux) to a different one if that doesn't happen.

So, this plugin developer for all we know may take another year to bring their wrapper to Linux. Just how long will they wait and keep Linux users waiting?

I'm not sure why a developer would leave it nearly a year to decide to possibly change what plugin they use that is preventing a platform getting its promised version.

So, how exactly is my personal frustrations with them along with a large amount of other Linux users "detrimental" when it does get them to open up? I'm confused as it has given us the exact desired effect in forcing them to be honest. Something all developers should be to their paying customers is honest from the start.

This whole situation stinks and "The Fun Pimps" will not be getting a penny from me in future. I suggest you steer away from anything developed by "The Fun Pimps" since it's quite glaringly obvious they don't care since they have to be forced into updating us. I've spoken before about Bad Ports and Why the porting method doesn't matter, but this has to be the first time I've actually wanted to steer people away from a developer. Such a shame I personally really wanted to play the game and was terribly excited when the Kickstarter came out (I even backed it!).

I know it's hard in times like this not to get angry, but we (Linux gamers) should always remain polite to developers no matter how strongly you feel about something.

Update: It seems that same moderator Red Eagle is now claiming more Linux users are throwing insults and talking down about Linux due to the claimed user-base size from Steam's hardware survey (which we tell you every single time not to use as an actual statistic!), see my comment here.

That moderator needs to be fired. At least the other moderator JAGA is actually trying to help and get answers for the community. The worst thing you could do when you have a platform waiting on a promised version is have a moderator constantly talk down to customers waiting. This is just shocking.
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liamdawe 6 June 2014 at 5:54 pm UTC
Article updated: Now a fancy picture.
scaine 6 June 2014 at 6:08 pm UTC
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To be fair, I think Jaga has been a decent moderator on those forums, even though I called him out for his tone in my last message. But Red Eagle LXIX!? It amazes me that someone with that level of apparent bigotry can become a steam moderator and representative of a company he doesn't even work for.

That whole thread is worth a read though, especially if like Liam and I you backed the project. I've never felt so let down by a Kickstarter pledge in my life. And all Fun Pimps have to do? Talk to us. Reassure us that our money wasn't wasted.

Well. Too late now.
mirv 6 June 2014 at 6:18 pm UTC
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I'm not really buying their excuse that they're waiting on a 3rd party wrapper for Steam. I don't see it being an issue for many, many other games. Add that the explanations are all a bit vague....it just smells fishy. No, scratch that, whatever is coming from those developers smells rotten.
q4a 6 June 2014 at 6:22 pm UTC
Can somebody confirm this: How to run 7 Days To Die natively on Linux ?
PS I don't have this game, but this howto may be epic =)
Metallinatus 6 June 2014 at 6:59 pm UTC
Ok, that is it, enough of this crap, release it or don't release it, I don't care anymore.
Anonymous 6 June 2014 at 7:12 pm UTC
Linux users in general act like a bunch of babies when they aren't treated on the same level as the Windows guys. It's like the little yappy dog trying to hang with the husky, and then the owners cry when the husky bites the head off of the bitty bitch... Sometimes, we gotta wait. And sometimes, we get burned.

I hope you learn from this experience. Kickstarting unproven developers with zero Linux track record is a Bad Idea(tm), and don't be so shocked when the tiny Linux market falls off the priority list. 99% of a million dollars is close enough to a million dollars for most people. Don't fool yourself into thinking that they need our paltry dollars to be happy or successful. Losing that cut might even be worth it to not have to deal with the whiners all the time.
MaxPower4478 6 June 2014 at 7:20 pm UTC
q4aCan somebody confirm this: How to run 7 Days To Die natively on Linux ?
PS I don't have this game, but this howto may be epic =)

I can confirm it does work, but It does run poorly (meaning unplayable). Admittedly my pc is a bit weak. However Rust does work ok so ...
scaine 6 June 2014 at 7:35 pm UTC
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AnonymousLinux users in general act like a bunch of babies when they aren't treated on the same level as the Windows guys. It's like the little yappy dog trying to hang with the husky, and then the owners cry when the husky bites the head off of the bitty bitch... Sometimes, we gotta wait. And sometimes, we get burned.

I hope you learn from this experience. Kickstarting unproven developers with zero Linux track record is a Bad Idea(tm), and don't be so shocked when the tiny Linux market falls off the priority list. 99% of a million dollars is close enough to a million dollars for most people. Don't fool yourself into thinking that they need our paltry dollars to be happy or successful. Losing that cut might even be worth it to not have to deal with the whiners all the time.

I don't often bother with anonymous comments, they're usually such failtrolls and the bulk of your language falls into that category (babies, yappy dog, bitty bitch, tiny market, paltry, whiners).

But I'll address two things in that funny little rant:

1. We're just as entitled to complain about lack of support as any other platform, if that platform was promised in the Kickstarter. It was.

2. The market size is irrelevant. Platform support was promised, within an estimated timeframe (two months after first Windows alpha) and they've spectacularly failed to deliver.

Spectacularly. Failed.

And defending them in any way... well here's the thing. If Liam were to respond to your comment in the way that they responded to him, he should ban your IP address from posting, complete with a flippant comment just to rile you, then delete the post, just to make sure.

Because that's the extent of how they treated him and how they're pretty much treating all their Linux-based backers.
kozec 6 June 2014 at 7:55 pm UTC
q4aCan somebody confirm this: How to run 7 Days To Die natively on Linux ?
PS I don't have this game, but this howto may be epic =)
I can confirm it as well, even with that "3rd party wrapper" that has to be made compatible. I just copied it from game named Fight The Dragon.

I sincerely doubt that this is about communication. Anon up there is right at one think, The Fun Pimps just doesn't give a f*** about us.
Caldazar 6 June 2014 at 9:50 pm UTC
Unfortunately there's a lot of truth in what Anon says.
Even when I was new to the Linux community I noticed some serious self-esteem issues being pervasive here. All this passive-aggressive drama from the so called "evangelists" in order to make more people love Linux never was my cup of tea.
Being a 1%er didn't sound too bad for me. Whoever want's to join: Welcome to the party but don't expect me to kiss your butt for it.

The thing is: Some people expect us to be all grateful and dewy-eyed as soon as they mention Linux in a PR-announcement. And they have the right of it, because that's exactly what we did for a long time and what we still do.
Now they're all perplexed because they didn't expect the other side of it: Us getting overly aggressive as soon as we feel that our devotion isn't appreciated enough.

The latest more unfortunate developments in the porting business hopefully serve as a wakeup-call for us to somehow find a middleground and, as a community, to become more mature and self-reliant.

Neither do we need to take any bullsh1t, nor everyone and his dog to come over to Linux and give us hugs.
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