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THQ Nordic have announced that they've swallowed up another IP, this time it's Carmageddon from Stainless Games. It's interesting, since we were supposed to get Carmageddon: Reincarnation on Linux.

Stainless originally made a Kickstarter back in 2012, which had a promise of Linux support as a platform. Years later, they revamped the game into Carmageddon: Max Damage and we're still here six years later without Linux support for the game. Part of the problem, is that Linux support was a "stretch goal" at $600K (see here) and they did get funding of over $625K.

“Carmageddon finally crashed its way into our portfolio. Some pedestrians and a couple of members of the Bovinae subfamily might have (virtually) been killed in the process” added Jan Binsmaier, Publishing Director at THQ Nordic. “With over twenty years of franchise history, and yes, I feel a little older just saying this, and such a passionate and dedicated fan-base worldwide, we are confident we hit the right target.”

THQ Nordic have actually put out a few Linux games, so there's at least some hope there. They did the revamps of Sphinx and the Cursed Mummy, Silver, Imperium Galactica II and others which gained Linux support in the process. They also publish a few other games from smaller developers that also have Linux support. So they're at least a friendly name to have around.

Original announcement can be found here. Also on the Stainless Games site.

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svartalf 3 December 2018 at 7:24 pm UTC
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toorI backed this on kickstarter back then because of that promise.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. They won't see my money, THQ Nordic or not.
They wouldn't see your money, even if you did buy it this time around. THQ Nordic would.

THQ Nordic just bought the IP, not the studios. The studio that made the game won't see a dime from this purchase.

So really, you're boycotting THQ Nordic - which had nothing to do with the kickstarter project you backed.

Couldn't have put it any better. I put it differently, but this describes my take WELL here on this subject.
svartalf 3 December 2018 at 7:47 pm UTC
toorI backed this on kickstarter back then because of that promise.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. They won't see my money, THQ Nordic or not.

Excuse me. I feel that I should add my own two cents directly here, having read your comment and decided to expand upon yours and Luke Nukem's comments on this subject.

Kickstarter, etc. are not buying things, to be brutally blunt here- when you contribute, you are investing into the making of a title, much like a Studio going to a Publisher for the last-half steps or closer finishing to a title. It depends solely on what they promise to give out if funding goals are met from the investors, namely the prospective initial core customers for the title.

If I were to be Kickstarting a title or two, I'd not be playing that game- the core game would be explicitly offered as all three. But Stainless didn't offer that, now DID they? They offered Linux support as a stretch goal- which means if you funded on that, you'd have best made sure they were going to make it before investing.

Investors are mostly on their own recognizance unless there's actual fraud involved with the deal.

I'll be honest here... The both of you should actually back up and do a bit of soul-searching there. You aren't owed jack there. Never were. It's not like Oculus when they had been actually promising the support and walked it back in a manner that they couldn't be charged with Fraud or have people legitimately bitching...well, not initially. They were up-front with you and you flatly misunderstood. They promised it if the funding hit or exceeded the $600k funding mark- and ONLY when it did.

Not their problem, now is it? YOURS. Next time...perhaps you'll slow down a bit and find out what the story's going to be before blithely presuming you're backing a Linux version without realizing that, no, you're not. You two DIDN'T and you've little room to complain.
Kallestofeles 3 December 2018 at 7:53 pm UTC
Hahahaha, I would love if they would actually re-write it to Vulkan... because anything less is pretty much useless as it runs like crap even on windows.
But you know, hope dies last and it will probably be a "year of linux desktop"™ next year.
drlamb 3 December 2018 at 7:56 pm UTC
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svartalfThey promised it if the funding hit or exceeded the $600k funding mark- and ONLY when it did.

I hope you're just a troll as reading isn't that hard:

QuotePart of the problem, is that Linux support was a "stretch goal" at $600K (see here) and they did get funding of over $625K.

and it only gets worse...they DID commit to it. From the "see here" above:

QuoteWe’ll be committing to supporting Mac and Linux, and you’ll be able to select a version to download at the same $15 and above price. And, like the DRM free version, the shipping date for these versions will be further out, towards the end of 2013.


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liamdawe 3 December 2018 at 8:04 pm UTC
ExidanI wound't say they support linux. They just seam to don't care if the devs port it or not, looking their steam page its majority is windows only games.
They literally did the Imperium Galactica II, Silver and Sphinx ports themselves.
svartalf 3 December 2018 at 8:22 pm UTC
drlambI hope you're just a troll as reading isn't that hard:

Not only am I not a troll, some of what I'd read showed DIFFERENT. If you've got differing info, it's **BETTER** to correct someone with it than to take the *sshole position you took. We won't get into the fact that even if you're "right", jack*ss, their position is STILL invalid. THQ Nordic's got the sole rights- not buying it because of Stainless Games' affairs is an idiot move worthy of the dressing down they got. YOU, on the other hand...

QuoteWe’ll be committing to supporting Mac and Linux, and you’ll be able to select a version to download at the same $15 and above price. And, like the DRM free version, the shipping date for these versions will be further out, towards the end of 2013.

Fair enough. The real problem here is Stainless is NO LONGER INVOLVED WITH IT. THQ bought it. They'll be publishing, extending it, and carrying any franchise titles from it themselves. Sorry, still bull to whine and whinge about it as you put it, "reading isn't that hard"- and THEY AND YOU DIDN'T BOTHER MORESO THAN I.
sa666666 3 December 2018 at 8:31 pm UTC
svartalfIf you've got differing info, it's **BETTER** to correct someone with it than to take the *sshole position you took. We won't get into the fact that even if you're "right", jack*ss, their position is STILL invalid.
Well, not to go all schoolyard rules here, but from an outside perspective, you did start this. You had incorrect information (that funding didn't go over $600K and nothing was promised), and then proceeded to chastise two people with a condescending lecture. And then when corrected, you still have the condescending attitude.

Some people are still a little raw over how that old studio treated them, with the developers basically taunting them that Linux would never be supported (after promising to do so). I too don't believe that the new owners of the IP should be punished for it though. But your response wasn't justified either. Maybe both sides can step back and relax a little.
mirv 3 December 2018 at 8:34 pm UTC
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Let's all take a chill pill and get back to not caring.
fabertawe 3 December 2018 at 9:07 pm UTC
svartalfNot only am I not a troll, some of what I'd read showed DIFFERENT...
[snip rant...]
Wow, sounds like you worked public relations for Stainless!

I paid for a copy that was promised and didn't get it. End of. Anyway...

Hopefully THQ Nordic will show some Linux love to this or at the very least I might get around to trying it via Proton without vomiting now those lying thieves are no longer involved.
toor 3 December 2018 at 9:12 pm UTC
svartalf
toorI backed this on kickstarter back then because of that promise.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. They won't see my money, THQ Nordic or not.

Excuse me. I feel that I should add my own two cents directly here, having read your comment and decided to expand upon yours and Luke Nukem's comments on this subject.

Kickstarter, etc. are not buying things, to be brutally blunt here- when you contribute, you are investing into the making of a title, much like a Studio going to a Publisher for the last-half steps or closer finishing to a title. It depends solely on what they promise to give out if funding goals are met from the investors, namely the prospective initial core customers for the title.

If I were to be Kickstarting a title or two, I'd not be playing that game- the core game would be explicitly offered as all three. But Stainless didn't offer that, now DID they? They offered Linux support as a stretch goal- which means if you funded on that, you'd have best made sure they were going to make it before investing.

Investors are mostly on their own recognizance unless there's actual fraud involved with the deal.

I'll be honest here... The both of you should actually back up and do a bit of soul-searching there. You aren't owed jack there. Never were. It's not like Oculus when they had been actually promising the support and walked it back in a manner that they couldn't be charged with Fraud or have people legitimately bitching...well, not initially. They were up-front with you and you flatly misunderstood. They promised it if the funding hit or exceeded the $600k funding mark- and ONLY when it did.

Not their problem, now is it? YOURS. Next time...perhaps you'll slow down a bit and find out what the story's going to be before blithely presuming you're backing a Linux version without realizing that, no, you're not. You two DIDN'T and you've little room to complain.

They clearly commited to port it to Linux, it wasn't even shown like a simple possibility, they gave their words on it. Plus, requiring some stretch goal.
I was not paying to contribute to their game itself, I was paying to have a possibility to have a game ported to my platform (it hadn't reached the stretch goal at the time). I gave my trust, and they basically whipped their ass with it : ok. Therefore, you may understand that I don't want to participate in any way to help them in the future, and even more, I wouldn't even want to play their game if it is ported later on, even if they don't get any money from it.
If you don't understand or don't want to understand my choice, well so be it. You find it stupid, and I find your judgment stupid: fine.

Cordially :p


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