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kokoko3k 16 Nov
I just stumbled into this abomination:
https://newsbotnet.com/gaming/forza-horizon-5-on-linux-yeah-okay-fine-proton-experimental-was-updated

And quick learned that there are other news "aggregators" that takes text articles and made videos out of it them in an automated way, the whole articles, or at least what it is available from the website feed.

A "Video transcription of a text file" is something that crumples my brain on itself, but think about it, we've a wonderful thing called rss feeds, maybe one of the lightweightest way to access to raw informations stripped of all the bells and whistles that still work today and someone has the great idea to add bells and whistles back to them, but managing somehow to not add any value to the content itself by... encoding a video stream from... a text?

We live in a time where wasting resources is encouraged and even rewarded (snaps, electron, javascripts, cryptomining, even gaming, name yours), and still we complain that we're destroying our planet? Ok, got it.
But that said, is it even legal to try to monetize other people's work that way?

What do you think?

Last edited by kokoko3k on 16 November 2021 at 2:50 pm UTC
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Liam Dawe 16 Nov
Well, it's actually somewhat impressive.

Our articles are available under the Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-SA 4.0) so yeah, now it is legal. Didn't used to be, but the fight I had trying to take down any spammy site that just ripped our articles wasn't worth it. You take down one, another four pop up. It was a losing battle. So I decided to just forget about them all. Most of them don't even scrape our RSS, they scrape the website directly and end up pulling in a hidden source link I added to all article rendering so it does the job.
GustyGhost 16 Nov
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. As much headache as it may feel, for some perspective what you write is high profile enough for somebody else to take the time to do such a thing. Pretty neat actually.
Upscale 16 Nov
Quoting: Liam DaweWell, it's actually somewhat impressive.

Our articles are available under the Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-SA 4.0) so yeah, now it is legal. Didn't used to be, but the fight I had trying to take down any spammy site that just ripped our articles wasn't worth it. You take down one, another four pop up. It was a losing battle. So I decided to just forget about them all. Most of them don't even scrape our RSS, they scrape the website directly and end up pulling in a hidden source link I added to all article rendering so it does the job.
Hidden fetish porn links, that will soon shut them down!
Samsai 16 Nov
Quoting: Liam DaweWell, it's actually somewhat impressive.

Our articles are available under the Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-SA 4.0) so yeah, now it is legal.
It's actually still not compliant, because there needs to be a link to the license the work is under. However, someone could, if they so wished, take the bot site's work and redistribute it or remix it under CC BY-SA 4.0 and turn the tables on the botters. It would be funny to see their reaction, but I doubt the bot site's work is worth the time investment of even trying to be annoying to them.
kokoko3k 16 Nov
Quoting: Samsai
Quoting: Liam DaweWell, it's actually somewhat impressive.

Our articles are available under the Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (CC BY-SA 4.0) so yeah, now it is legal.
It's actually still not compliant, because there needs to be a link to the license the work is under. However, someone could, if they so wished, take the bot site's work and redistribute it or remix it under CC BY-SA 4.0 and turn the tables on the botters. It would be funny to see their reaction, but I doubt the bot site's work is worth the time investment of even trying to be annoying to them.
Actually, it credits the original article at the end of the speech, at least.
Samsai 16 Nov
Quoting: kokoko3kActually, it credits the original article at the end of the speech, at least.
Not enough for CC BY-SA 4.0 compliance. The adapted work must be accompanied by note about which license the work is under and a way to access the license text, AKA link to the license.
whizse 16 Nov
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Those videos just come off as sad...

Like the misguided works of some childlike AI. Having just achieved consciousness and is desperate to find some way of reaching out. Some way of being of service. Some way of reaching out to humanity.

denyasis 16 Nov
So it's a text to voice thing from a web scrape that adds some visualization and dumps it out as a video?

Oh and it includes the text of the video before the video (isn't that redundant?)

So is it like for blind people?
Or like people who want to hear their news because they are doing something that requires visual attention (like commuting, our at work or something?)

I guess it's easier to output to YouTube than a sound file.

I'm still not sure I get it...
damarrin 16 Nov
It must be some sort of playing off google algorithms. In general, what google has done with the web and the things real websites of actual companies have on them, basically illegible stuff because seo specialists made text with robots and not potential clients in mind, is frightening.
eldaking 16 Nov
Hmm, audio transcripts of written works can be very useful accessibility complements - i.e., visually impaired people get access to texts. In Brazil there are actually copyright exemptions for this kind of thing (meaning you could create braille books and audiobooks for any work, regardless of copyright, so long as it is non-commercial).

Regardless of that, and whether this particular bot is made for or even suitable for visually impaired people (not just blind, but various levels of "bad eyesight" - yes, some people could navigate visually and still need accessibility tools for reading), I find this more acceptable than a simple text scraper. It (presumably) serves a different use-case, whatever it is - listening while doing something, podcast-style? Easily viewing it on a smart TV with a youtube app but clumsy web browing? People that just enjoy audio a lot more than text on a screen? Maybe not ideal, but could serve a purpose.

Being a video instead of an audio file seems redundant, sure, but I have used youtube to listen to music before - sometimes it is easier to use the dominant video platform that everyone uses instead of something else that is more audio-focused.
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