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Quoting: qptain Nemo

Quoting: GrazenHere is a link discussing WCOS:

https://www.windowscentral.com/understanding-windows-core-os-and-polaris

Note that WCOS is not Windows S.

That is hilarious. They're literally selling... Linux. The Linux paradigm. All the best Linux features. (Closed platform bits aside) Brilliant.

Don't worry. This is just marketing. The actual implementation will have the worst Windows "features" broken into nifty little modules. Still a steaming pile of crap, but you get to pick and choose the nuggets.

Will we discover that it is based on Microsoft's custom Linux distribution and that Miux really exists? Lol!

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Quoting: qptain Nemo

Quoting: GrazenHere is a link discussing WCOS:

https://www.windowscentral.com/understanding-windows-core-os-and-polaris

Note that WCOS is not Windows S.

That is hilarious. They're literally selling... Linux. The Linux paradigm. All the best Linux features. (Closed platform bits aside) Brilliant.

Don't worry. This is just marketing. The actual implementation will have the worst Windows "features" broken into nifty little modules. Still a steaming pile of crap, but you get to pick and choose the nuggets.

They can't design the worst part out: Microsoft company politics. It's woven into everything they do.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPHas this been implemented yet?

Yes, you even have an overlay to see how good, or bad, the attractiveness is.

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RPG MO is an awesome grinder, really well done, but you need to focus on it for a while before you can have a good view of its potential.

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Quoting: qptain Nemo

Quoting: GrazenHere is a link discussing WCOS:

https://www.windowscentral.com/understanding-windows-core-os-and-polaris

Note that WCOS is not Windows S.

That is hilarious. They're literally selling... Linux. The Linux paradigm. All the best Linux features. (Closed platform bits aside) Brilliant.

Don't worry. This is just marketing. The actual implementation will have the worst Windows "features" broken into nifty little modules. Still a steaming pile of crap, but you get to pick and choose the nuggets.

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Quoting: riusmaNote that according to french video gaming magazine Canard PC (n° 343) Aerofly FS 2 (at least in its state in mid 2016) is a poor flying simulator, far inferior to X-Plane 11...

As I understand it, the Aerofly series is an arcade game that focuses on pretty scenery.

At least in the french version of Aerofly FS 2 presentation on Steam the game is advertised as a "last gen flying simulator with emphasis on realistic flying physic". :)

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Quoting: GrazenHere is a link discussing WCOS:

https://www.windowscentral.com/understanding-windows-core-os-and-polaris

Note that WCOS is not Windows S.

That is hilarious. They're literally selling... Linux. The Linux paradigm. All the best Linux features. (Closed platform bits aside) Brilliant.

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Interestingly enough, the game was built on SFML instead of SDL. Gameplay is smooth and responsive while being hard to master. Being able to watch live replays of other players is quite nice but I suspect that feature uses Steam API which might be a bad news for DRM-Free advocates. Overall, it's a solid speedrunner platformer that I can't wait to see it being played on public events like GDQ and ESA.

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Quoting: riusmaNote that according to french video gaming magazine Canard PC (n° 343) Aerofly FS 2 (at least in its state in mid 2016) is a poor flying simulator, far inferior to X-Plane 11...

As I understand it, the Aerofly series is an arcade game that focuses on pretty scenery.

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Quoting: liamdaweJust wanted to say thanks for all the feedback :)

Quoting: 14I see this S version as a separate offering. I don't think anybody needs to get scared or spread a doom message to their poor Windows friends.

Did you read the source? It previously was a separate SKU, now it's going to be included with all versions of Windows.

Quoting: 14Other articles of this type on this site have been a bit more reasonable than this one. This one feels a little... slash-dot-ie.

I literally have no idea what "slash-dot-ie" is even supposed to mean.

Quoting: GrazenUnderstood, my point is just that the next version of Windows - now called Windows Core OS (not related to the Core OS that Red Hat just bought) - will be a massive upgrade similar to the upgrade to Windows NT 20 years ago. This will be a bigger threat than Windows 10 S - and Liam's article as a result is already dated. The threat however, is even bigger than the hyperbole in his article.

The article is based on a source that's only a few days old (how is that "already dated"?), that has new information on how Windows 10 S will work. Again, like I said above, it's going to be included with all versions of Windows.

As for "hyperbole". The only part of that article that could even remotely be classed as that is the end of it, but those are future possibilities. I didn't say they actual will happen, I said they're questions.

Editorials are opinion pieces, it's from my personal perspective and meant as a talking point, do keep that in mind folks. If you don't agree, that's fine :)

I see the threat as severe because Windows Core OS will bring obvious useful benefits to users, unlike Windows 10 S, which is built on Windows 10 Pro and then hobbled. There is little to no reason for anyone to want 10S, but there will be performance, useability, compatibility and other benefits to Windows Core OS. If there are benefits, users will eventually migrate to it. There will be no migration to 10 S.

Here is a link discussing WCOS:

https://www.windowscentral.com/understanding-windows-core-os-and-polaris

Note that WCOS is not Windows S.

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Quoting: liamdaweJust wanted to say thanks for all the feedback :)

Quoting: 14I see this S version as a separate offering. I don't think anybody needs to get scared or spread a doom message to their poor Windows friends.

Did you read the source? It previously was a separate SKU, now it's going to be included with all versions of Windows.

Quoting: 14Other articles of this type on this site have been a bit more reasonable than this one. This one feels a little... slash-dot-ie.

I literally have no idea what "slash-dot-ie" is even supposed to mean.

Quoting: GrazenUnderstood, my point is just that the next version of Windows - now called Windows Core OS (not related to the Core OS that Red Hat just bought) - will be a massive upgrade similar to the upgrade to Windows NT 20 years ago. This will be a bigger threat than Windows 10 S - and Liam's article as a result is already dated. The threat however, is even bigger than the hyperbole in his article.

The article is based on a source that's only a few days old (how is that "already dated"?), that has new information on how Windows 10 S will work. Again, like I said above, it's going to be included with all versions of Windows.

As for "hyperbole". The only part of that article that could even remotely be classed as that is the end of it, but those are future possibilities. I didn't say they actual will happen, I said they're questions.

Editorials are opinion pieces, it's from my personal perspective and meant as a talking point, do keep that in mind folks. If you don't agree, that's fine :)

I see the threat as severe because Windows Core OS will bring obvious useful benefits to users, unlike Windows 10 S, which is built on Windows 10 Pro and then hobbled. There is little to no reason for anyone to want 10S, but there will be performance, useability, compatibility and other benefits to Windows Core OS. If there are benefits, users will eventually migrate to it. There will be no migration to 10 S.

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Quoting: TcheyWe actually have some good MMOG running.

Tale of Toast
Dead Maze
Project Gorgon
Albion Online
Rogalia
Haven&Hearth
Salem
Wild Terra
Dogma Eternal Night
The Exiled
RPG MO
+++

I've tried RPG MO and I definitely wouldn't put it in the "good MMOG" category.

You also missed Ryzom, which has an overly complicated skill system but is otherwise pretty good, and Wakfu, which has a really cool combat mechanic, although I hear it's not very newbie-friendly right now.

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Just how scary is it? It looks kind of like Bioshock level scary (the original, first one), and if so that's within my limits. But if it's really really scary there's no point in me buying it.

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Waiting for this since last E3, great they confirmed the linux release!

View video on youtube.com

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At some point they talked about how "cosmetic" improvements should actually work more complex than in Planet Coaster, for example - where it is just "if cosmetic stuff close to the ride, then attractiveness++".

Has this been implemented yet?

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Quoting: subWill it feature a single-player campaign?
Or is it a pure sandbox game?

They've been steadily building the features needed for scenarios. I don't know if that means they'll add a full campaign before the actual release though.

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@liamdawe I noticed similar issues with the default Steam Controller touch-pad settings for some games. Maybe GamingOnLinux can step-in and provide fixed versions when you guys notices such during your review process. Would be a nice added value. :-)

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this has been on my wishlist for what seems like ages now, i'll have to pick it up soon

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Will it feature a single-player campaign?
Or is it a pure sandbox game?

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Quoting: riusmaNote that according to french video gaming magazine Canard PC (n° 343) Aerofly FS 2 (at least in its state in mid 2016) is a poor flying simulator, far inferior to X-Plane 11 (edit : available on Linux) which is only a bit more expensive (65 € against 60 €, at least here in France). :|

I guess they should have stuck with their RC flying sim. I still use earofly 5 under wine. I wish THAT would get a linux update, I would buy that!

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I love Lovecraft-themed games. I know exactly what I will play this evening :)

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Note that according to french video gaming magazine Canard PC (n° 343) Aerofly FS 2 (at least in its state in mid 2016) is a poor flying simulator, far inferior to X-Plane 11 (edit : also available on Linux) which is only a bit more expensive (65 € against 60 €, at least here in France). :|

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Just wanted to say thanks for all the feedback :)

Quoting: 14I see this S version as a separate offering. I don't think anybody needs to get scared or spread a doom message to their poor Windows friends.

Did you read the source? It previously was a separate SKU, now it's going to be included with all versions of Windows.

Quoting: 14Other articles of this type on this site have been a bit more reasonable than this one. This one feels a little... slash-dot-ie.

I literally have no idea what "slash-dot-ie" is even supposed to mean.

Quoting: GrazenUnderstood, my point is just that the next version of Windows - now called Windows Core OS (not related to the Core OS that Red Hat just bought) - will be a massive upgrade similar to the upgrade to Windows NT 20 years ago. This will be a bigger threat than Windows 10 S - and Liam's article as a result is already dated. The threat however, is even bigger than the hyperbole in his article.

The article is based on a source that's only a few days old (how is that "already dated"?), that has new information on how Windows 10 S will work. Again, like I said above, it's going to be included with all versions of Windows.

As for "hyperbole". The only part of that article that could even remotely be classed as that is the end of it, but those are future possibilities. I didn't say they actual will happen, I said they're questions.

Editorials are opinion pieces, it's from my personal perspective and meant as a talking point, do keep that in mind folks. If you don't agree, that's fine :)

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Well shit, these people know me too good. Yes of course I will buy it -- I have been maintaining a wine prefix for Comet Busters but for $5 to get the same kind of mechanics with new graphics on my console with 0 work, super awesome.

Thanks for the tip.

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Quoting: GrazenUnderstood, my point is just that the next version of Windows - now called Windows Core OS (not related to the Core OS that Red Hat just bought) - will be a massive upgrade similar to the upgrade to Windows NT 20 years ago. This will be a bigger threat than Windows 10 S - and Liam's article as a result is already dated. The threat however, is even bigger than the hyperbole in his article.

Could you elaborate on why you see this threat as so severe?

Quoting: appetrosyanWayland is not complete, we still need to do plenty of under-the-hood improvements, before the aggressive marketing will even have a chance. Right now, we'd only make the task even harder.

On one hand I certainly understand the risks you're talking about. I mean, look at Steam Machines. On the other hand, there is the risk of overpreparing and betting too much on one big reveal that is supposed to be perfect and coming way too late or not coming at all. I mean, look at Steam Machines, I bet Valve learned a lot of really useful things from their first attempt that would help them tremendously if they eventually follow up. The whole "release early" philosophy exists for goods reasons. But yeah, Wayland is even conceptually incomplete if you ask me (I consider the "you can't have a DE-agnostic screenshot / screen recording tool because security" approach a serious mistake). So I'd say it's a delicate question and I wouldn't insist on any one answer to it at the moment.

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IMHO the only advantage of UWP is that it asks devs to put more effort in optimizing their software for multi-core systems. I hope that Wine will support it at some time (but we all know that Microsoft will do everything they can to prevent that from happening any time soon).
And I hope that Nvidia starts doing the same to nouveau what AMD did to radeon … at least there is now a way to sign custom firmware images, which is usable for nouveau devs although it's primarily targeted at overclockers.

Hope dies last.

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Quoting: t3gI'd love if Valve updated the bundled libraries for the Steam client to Ububtu 18.04 in April.

Kinda pathetic it still ships with 12.04 libraries from 2012...

Those libraries caused me nothing but woe. Use snaps and Flatpaks, and let us choose whether or not we even want an outdated and barely functioning runtime at all.

Yet the runtime provides a somewhat stable platform for developers and mostly works just fine on Steam's target distributions. Game devs are not forced to use the libraries in the runtime anyway. They exist for their convenience.

Also, if you're running proprietary binaries on a rolling distro, you get to keep the pieces. I have nothing against Arch or any other distro, but there are always drawbacks.

Quoting: Sol33t303I believe that this version of Windows is actually intended for schools (I think I remember the S standing for student, but I'm not entirely sure). For them, this makes a lot of sense, not being able to install anything but what is in the Windows store makes Windows more secure (similar to Apples walled garden). I don't think this is intended for a wider audience and schools don't want students messing with their oses just incase they break something (you could argue that it's the ITs job to fix this, but lets ignore that). So this isn't really intended for widespread use, so in my opinion, Valve doesn't really have anything to fear.

Schools already have the option of limiting software installs to their own selection, and at least local schools do this on their Windows computers. I don't see how handing more control of this process to Microsoft helps them, especially if it breaks compatibility with some of their software.

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If that Co-op is local I think I just found the next game my son and I are going to play!

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