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Quoting: jens

Quoting: razing32What are you talking about ?

Well, I'm talking about a (hopefully) very small but very vocal part of the Linux community that is nearly blind due to ideology and principles and can't even see anymore when they get presented with a gift.

I'm truly happy and grateful when I'm behind my Fedora box with NVidia closed source driver and able to enjoy games like Hitman, Tomb Raider or CIV VI etc. purchased and started from Steam with just a few clicks. It is close to unbelievable that this is now possible on Linux. But instead of being very grateful to the companies and people behind it for making this possible and letting the market slowly grow, I'm constantly reading arguments that the parties that made this happen but obviously also want to earn money are evil and hostile against Linux:

- Steam is bad, they offer a closed source distribution platform
- Steam is even more evil because they seem to have lost they Linux focus and won't bring VR to Linux
- Gog is hostile because the abandoned their plans for Galaxy on Linux
- Nvidia is bad cause they don't open their driver and don't participate in upstream development
- Publishers are bad because they don't port game x or y
- Porting Studios are bad because because they use kind of wrappers and haven't yet completely embraced Vulkan
- Smaller Studios are bad because they don't want to deal with Linux support
- Newcomers on the complex Linux platform will be openly attacked when they can't get everything right the first time.

I could go on and go on :(

Really, I think Linux had they peak regarding to gaming. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong, but I fear we are shooting our self in the foot due to not seeing our chance and due to completely unrealistic demands for such a small market.

Coming back to the article this is about. It is actually fantastic news that some employees in the background of the big player EA do consider Linux in the future. But the overall response here is mostly: they are evil due to actions in the past, I wont buy from them, full period. I wouldn't blame the people that fought internally within EA to have some resource freed for Linux to throw the towel in the ring and give up on Linux entirely after reading this.

Please, just be a little bit grateful when companies and people behind it are reaching out a hand.

I understand where you're coming from.
But different people come to Linux for different reasons.
For me it was the EULA of Win10 that made me give up. I knew MS had scummy business practices before but that was the nail in the coffin.

Other people might hate closed clients like steam.
Others may hate anything closed source like Nvidia binary blobs in their kernel.

And almost all of us have criticisms to one business practice or another.
Yes we cannot be un-resonable and expect publishers and devs to flock to our platform.
But at the same time we should not accept being throdden on just to get a few games.
In my opinion a lot of these bug publishers have some really scummy practices (case in point I recently found out that Division2 published by Activision will have one time use cosmetic paint locked away behind loot crates , as well as item mods which affect gameplay)
Yes the games are good , but after all the cancerous mass attached to them to draw in an extra buck are they still good ??

My only point was , yes , we do need to entice publishers to our platform ,but at what cost ?

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By the way, does someone know if the big Feral, VP and Aspire ports were economically successful for the involved parties?

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Quoting: TiedemannThe ones that comes to the rescue are usually the Indie devs, and I think the future is there, more "specialized" games for whatever ppl are interested in that creates their own bubbles/communities.

I have thoroughly enjoyed several indie titles (e.g. FTL, Thimbeweed Park), but I have to admit playing one of the Feral ports like Tomb Raider or Deus Ex is a different league. Having a major EA title like FIFA on Linux and EA admitting that is was a economical success would in my opinion be a huge statement for potential new Linux users and also for other major publishers.

In the recent past were several key moments for me when I felt like Linux _is_ really growing on the desktop market. Most notably Steam coming to Linux, the lot of Feral ports but also e.g. Microsoft offering .Net Core or Visual Studio Code for Linux. Let's hope that this trend continues and it is not burned to the ground due to the ugly side of the Linux community.

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Quoting: g000hTempting - Currently it is 25% off in the Humble Sale.

EDIT:

Even more tempting - you get the GOG key and Steam key from the Humble purchase.

GOG has a working linux installer?
If thats the case im buying it right now :)

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Quoting: Guest...There's plenty of other games for ragequitting.

So true :D

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Quoting: qptain NemoAnd yeah, buy stuff. It's bought. As welcome as the availability of games is, they're not "gifts". (Unless they are literally free)

I would like to add that I do consider the availability of games as a gift. It is a chance for us to proof that Linux is worth an investment and to proof that the people behind their organization that supported Linux are not wrong. My guessing is that every port to Linux starts with a big internal fight/discussion if porting to Linux is feasible at all.

I have no problems supporting devs I like. I've even gifted 2-3 copies of games just to show my support. I've even bought a couple of games I have no intention of playing just because the devs have been awesome :P

My problem with EA isn't just Westwood, it's BF, SimCity etc too. BF has just become a glorified CoD game with vehicles. I liked Dune, C&C, SimCity etc. Now we get less gameplay content, have to pay for small maps/map packs, no dedicated server support other than official "licensed" ones, no mod support etc. It's about milking, nothing more. It's not about passion for making games or supporting the community. There are no games left that I'm interested in so I have no reason to buy EA games anymore.

The ones that comes to the rescue are usually the Indie devs, and I think the future is there, more "specialized" games for whatever ppl are interested in that creates their own bubbles/communities.

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This game is so fcking badly optimized.

I can play Witcher 3, Dying Light, Deus Ex on max/1440p and they won't require more than 3GB of RAM

This game is asking me 7GB on "beautiful"...

FCK U!

PS: I use a windows manager(Bspwm), not even a DE! ...RIDICULOUS!

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Quoting: qptain NemoAnd yeah, buy stuff. It's bought. As welcome as the availability of games is, they're not "gifts". (Unless they are literally free)

I would like to add that I do consider the availability of games as a gift. It is a chance for us to proof that Linux is worth an investment and to proof that the people behind their organization that supported Linux are not wrong. My guessing is that every port to Linux starts with a big internal fight/discussion if porting to Linux is feasible at all.

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Quoting: qptain NemoI'm gonna assume that if you saw my comment you'd include me in the vocal minority of religious fanatics so I'm gonna elaborate on my perspective a bit and on things I disagree with you on.

Thank you for doing so.

Quoting: qptain NemoEA destroyed my favorite game developer of all time, Westwood studios, and as far as I'm concerned I'm never getting over it. I'm absolutely a fanatic when it comes to that. You can consider that childish, petty and unreasonable. That's fair.

And I totally get where you're generally coming from, I'd consider buying from virtually any other company and I'm a fan of Valve and honestly a borderline fan of Nvidia for their awesome support of my platform. However there is no obligation on me or anyone else to pay money to companies or welcome them with open arms. You consider yourself free to only buy games if they're to your liking, well everybody else is also free to do with their money as they please and not necessarily welcome anyone with open arms and buy stuff unconditionally.

Fully agree, in the end everybody is free do to as they want as long as they accept possible consequences of their doing. That said, be able to forgive is one of mankind nicer habits. Please also note that the faces behind an organisation do change.

Quoting: qptain NemoAnd yeah, buy stuff. It's bought. As welcome as the availability of games is, they're not "gifts". (Unless they are literally free)

I'm not an expert economist but I think your phrase "completely unrealistic demands for such a small market" doesn't make a lot of sense. I think markets are shaped by demands not the other way around. And I sure agree 100% that we should be civil and reasonable, but I don't agree that we should be humble. Humility will earn us no favors, especially from AAA companies. Humility will get us walked all over and running DRM as root before long. Windows and console gamers get games not because they're nice, but because they can pay when their core demands are met. No company, especially a big one would expect to get anything but the boot if they don't meet the target audience's core demands, so coddling them is completely pointless and even arguably strategically disadvantageous. Being grateful when good stuff actually happens though, is again something I can get behind. We have some amazing stuff on our platform both indie and AAA and I'm super grateful for it. It makes me happy too.

Being a zealous fanatic might or might not be optimal for the well-being of the platform, but neither is the opposite extreme of kissing up to people who haven't shown some real concern or respect first. So yeah sure be friendly and approachable, buy from EA if you want, but also have some dignity. "we sorta considered it but then went eh screw it" is not reaching out a hand yet.

I think here we disagree a little bit where is perfect middle ground is. I fully agree that no company should force you to run stuff as root etc. But is this currently the case with Steam and the examples I gave? At the moment I think being humble for the 2 percent market share at max is not the worst option. My opinion is that publisher like Square Enix or Codemaster are still carefully exploring the linux market and see if grow and earning money is possible. If this exploration is only echoed with (in my opinion) completely unrealistic demands for everything free as beer then I guess they see their experiments as failed and turn their back again on Linux.

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Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: GuestLmao it's called 'My Ex-Boyfriend the space Tyrant' and it's gay as fuck.

My confusion wasn't helped by the fact that there is a Space Tyrant game as well that looks kind of fun.

I fell for the very same confusion. For the records, here's Space Tyrant (might or might not be suitable for any ex boyfriend):

http://store.steampowered.com/app/562230/Space_Tyrant/

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Quoting: MayeulCLiam, could you update the article with the workaround a lot of people seem to need? (Delete LD_LIBRARY_PATH from the launcher script). Thanks!

Forgot to say thanks for this bit of information! +1 On Liam adding this bit of info to the story. Hopefully Rockfish will pick up on that now.

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Quoting: MayeulCWhoops, looks like I was ninja'ed. Well, that will teach me to read all the comments before reading a reply.

Still always good to hear a similar opinion in another voice.

Just to be clear to others I have no personal issues against NVidia - They really do masterful work on their drivers just like the others - I just like people to know where the playing field is unfair to the other. This is what happens when devs only target the (semi)monopoly (not that nvidia have not earned much of it). In the long run it bites everyone in the bottom. I feel the same in any industry including web technology and browsers :)

Quoting: MayeulCIt is also a matter of optimisation: different code-paths provide different performance

Just to back MayeulC up on this, this video is really worth a watch for anyone with the slightest interest on the difference between approaches between NVidia and AMD:
View video on youtube.com
Even those who are not programmers but just like computer gaming tech should have a watch of that. Keep in mind even though that looks at DX11, most Linux game port draw call scheduling is still designed around DX11.

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Quoting: jensWell, I'm talking about a (hopefully) very small but very vocal part of the Linux community that is nearly blind due to ideology and principles and can't even see anymore when they get presented with a gift.

I'm truly happy and grateful when I'm behind my Fedora box with NVidia closed source driver and able to enjoy games like Hitman, Tomb Raider or CIV VI etc. purchased and started from Steam with just a few clicks. It is close to unbelievable that this is now possible on Linux. But instead of being very grateful to the companies and people behind it for making this possible and letting the market slowly grow, I'm constantly reading arguments that the parties that made this happen but obviously also want to earn money are evil and hostile against Linux:

- Steam is bad, they offer a closed source distribution platform
- Steam is even more evil because they seem to have lost they Linux focus and won't bring VR to Linux
- Gog is hostile because the abandoned their plans for Galaxy on Linux
- Nvidia is bad cause they don't open their driver and don't participate in upstream development
- Publishers are bad because they don't port game x or y
- Porting Studios are bad because because they use kind of wrappers and haven't yet completely embraced Vulkan
- Smaller Studios are bad because they don't want to deal with Linux support
- Newcomers on the complex Linux platform will be openly attacked when they can't get everything right the first time.

I could go on and go on :(

Really, I think Linux had they peak regarding to gaming. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong, but I fear we are shooting our self in the foot due to not seeing our chance and due to completely unrealistic demands for such a small market.

Coming back to the article this is about. It is actually fantastic news that some employees in the background of the big player EA do consider Linux in the future. But the overall response here is mostly: they are evil due to actions in the past, I wont buy from them, full period. I wouldn't blame the people that fought internally within EA to have some resource freed for Linux to throw the towel in the ring and give up on Linux entirely after reading this.

Please, just be a little bit grateful when companies and people behind it are reaching out a hand.

I'm gonna assume that if you saw my comment you'd include me in the vocal minority of religious fanatics so I'm gonna elaborate on my perspective a bit and on things I disagree with you on.

EA destroyed my favorite game developer of all time, Westwood studios, and as far as I'm concerned I'm never getting over it. I'm absolutely a fanatic when it comes to that. You can consider that childish, petty and unreasonable. That's fair.

And I totally get where you're generally coming from, I'd consider buying from virtually any other company and I'm a fan of Valve and honestly a borderline fan of Nvidia for their awesome support of my platform. However there is no obligation on me or anyone else to pay money to companies or welcome them with open arms. You consider yourself free to only buy games if they're to your liking, well everybody else is also free to do with their money as they please and not necessarily welcome anyone with open arms and buy stuff unconditionally.

And yeah, buy stuff. It's bought. As welcome as the availability of games is, they're not "gifts". (Unless they are literally free)

I'm not an expert economist but I think your phrase "completely unrealistic demands for such a small market" doesn't make a lot of sense. I think markets are shaped by demands not the other way around. And I sure agree 100% that we should be civil and reasonable, but I don't agree that we should be humble. Humility will earn us no favors, especially from AAA companies. Humility will get us walked all over and running DRM as root before long. Windows and console gamers get games not because they're nice, but because they can pay when their core demands are met. No company, especially a big one would expect to get anything but the boot if they don't meet the target audience's core demands, so coddling them is completely pointless and even arguably strategically disadvantageous. Being grateful when good stuff actually happens though, is again something I can get behind. We have some amazing stuff on our platform both indie and AAA and I'm super grateful for it. It makes me happy too.

Being a zealous fanatic might or might not be optimal for the well-being of the platform, but neither is the opposite extreme of kissing up to people who haven't shown some real concern or respect first. So yeah sure be friendly and approachable, buy from EA if you want, but also have some dignity. "we sorta considered it but then went eh screw it" is not reaching out a hand yet.

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Looks nice.
Doesn't really remind me of Lemmings since you seem to only control 3 cats and you change the environment around the cats rather than the cats themselves.
Still , nice graphics and fun gameplay it seems.

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Quoting: appetrosyanI keep wondering, why is Nvidia, being an aggressively competitive and For profit company dishing out better drivers than the pro-FOSS AMD?

Short answer: they don't.
AMD always had the more compliant drivers. They will complain when a game does something that shouldn't work according to the spec; while that's not the case with nVidia's.
It is also a matter of optimization: different code-paths provide different performance on the two brands, so the code running when you have an nVidia card is different from the one running when you use an AMD one. This can lead to some issues, as it seems to be the case here. Generally speaking, doing enough testing on both sides avoids these kind of problems, but developers who use an nVidia card are more likely to see bugs on AMD.
Some commenters pointed out that this issue seems to be fixed in the latest UE. This isn't really the devs'fault in this case, as the engine they used had this issue.

And now, regarding user experience, I've personally had it much better on AMD. Your mileage will vary, of course.

Whoops, looks like I was ninja'ed. Well, that will teach me to read all the comments before writing a reply.

Liam, could you update the article with the workaround a lot of people seem to need? (Delete LD_LIBRARY_PATH from the launcher script). Thanks!

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Quoting: razing32What are you talking about ?

Well, I'm talking about a (hopefully) very small but very vocal part of the Linux community that is nearly blind due to ideology and principles and can't even see anymore when they get presented with a gift.

I'm truly happy and grateful when I'm behind my Fedora box with NVidia closed source driver and able to enjoy games like Hitman, Tomb Raider or CIV VI etc. purchased and started from Steam with just a few clicks. It is close to unbelievable that this is now possible on Linux. But instead of being very grateful to the companies and people behind it for making this possible and letting the market slowly grow, I'm constantly reading arguments that the parties that made this happen but obviously also want to earn money are evil and hostile against Linux:

- Steam is bad, they offer a closed source distribution platform
- Steam is even more evil because they seem to have lost they Linux focus and won't bring VR to Linux
- Gog is hostile because the abandoned their plans for Galaxy on Linux
- Nvidia is bad cause they don't open their driver and don't participate in upstream development
- Publishers are bad because they don't port game x or y
- Porting Studios are bad because because they use kind of wrappers and haven't yet completely embraced Vulkan
- Smaller Studios are bad because they don't want to deal with Linux support
- Newcomers on the complex Linux platform will be openly attacked when they can't get everything right the first time.

I could go on and go on :(

Really, I think Linux had they peak regarding to gaming. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong, but I fear we are shooting our self in the foot due to not seeing our chance and due to completely unrealistic demands for such a small market.

Coming back to the article this is about. It is actually fantastic news that some employees in the background of the big player EA do consider Linux in the future. But the overall response here is mostly: they are evil due to actions in the past, I wont buy from them, full period. I wouldn't blame the people that fought internally within EA to have some resource freed for Linux to throw the towel in the ring and give up on Linux entirely after reading this.

Please, just be a little bit grateful when companies and people behind it are reaching out a hand.

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The game works out-of-box without crash and/or graphics corruption on my Debian Sid, Mesa 17.2 and llvm-5 :
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But there is a workaround to do. For me, the game does not launch if i launch it directly by Steam. You must to go to the game's directory and launch directly the executable.

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Just bought on Humble Store. I suppose the "1,000 copies" shouldn't be much of an issue.

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Quoting: Larian

Quoting: appetrosyanI keep wondering, why is Nvidia, being an aggressively competitive and For profit company dishing out better drivers than the pro-FOSS AMD?

I'm not an expert, but I would say they do that to provide a superior experience to the competition so they can sell more hardware.

That compatibility and ease of use is why I use Nvidia, and I suspect I'm not alone. But you do you. ^_^

Quoting: Larian[...]better drivers than the pro-FOSS AMD?

Uh... they're not. Ask plenty of competent OpenGL developers who really know the spec and they will tell you the Intel and AMD foss drivers are really good (thought usually a bit behind the latest GL release). Unfortunately NVidia is the "standard" and their implementation takes many liberties and shortcuts with the spec in the name of performance. And as most devs do most of their testing on NVidia without frequent tests on others, then they get surprised when things don't just work. And the performance of Mesa is absolutely brilliant these days and with only a fraction of the man power of Nvidia's (NVidia's driver team is huge! Especially compared directly to AMD Foss developers). I'll admit opensource drivers matter a great deal to me (I did use to use NVidia) but that aside with Valve and Feral involved with Mesa I reckon you'll see more and more games edge perform with a slight advantage on AMD than NVidia (see Phoronix recent benchmarks to see its already starting to happen).

(BTW Devs! Do your development on Mesa then later test on NVidia. I promise it will then just work everywhere. Seriously I promise! ;) )

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I just bought it and installed it a few minutes ago. Gonna give it a go after I get some sleep. Thanks again for the recommendation. Good to see more Penguins are buying the game. ^_^

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Quoting: CorbenYeehaaw!

When I talked to the CEO of Rockfishgames about the Linux version, he said he thinks they are doing the port for about 1000 people at max... let's prove him wrong!

OK where is the forum thread where we can all say - "Just bought this specifically to play on Linux! Thanks"

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Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: fabry92i will buy when appear logo!

Is there a reason for that? If you're waiting for more issues to be solved, fair enough, but if you're worried about being counted for Linux - just buy it.

ye for counted. It count as linux purchase if i buy without steamos logo?

If there is a Linux version, it's counted. No need to think any further than that.

I've heard that the OS of the sale is counted as: what OS the game is first installed on and has been played on for the first few hours. @liamdawe Do you know if that is true. As Humble offers keys that don't expire I may hold of entering mine in Steam for a bit as I don't have time to play the game right now but feel if enough people buy right now it shows Rockfish there are plenty of Linux fishes to catche :) And hopefully when I do the SteamOS logo will be there. I'm so close to buying and might get this months Humble Monthly to get Rise of the Tomb Raider as well and wait for Feral to release the port before I redeem the key (yes I believe that will happy in the next few months!). Just need someone to say "yes that is how it works for Linux sales!"

On a side note. It is absolutely brilliant to see GOG on Humble now (when did that happen?) and Humble offering both GOG and Steam keys together. That's part of why I so want ot buy this on Humble now!

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Well this looks like one to buy next pay day!

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Quoting: CorbenYeehaaw!

When I talked to the CEO of Rockfishgames about the Linux version, he said he thinks they are doing the port for about 1000 people at max... let's prove him wrong!

Oh, I think we will sir! I'm buying a copy tonight as well! I love space sims and roguelikes so this is right up my alley. What a neat combination. Got my fingers crossed though as I am all AMD, both my rigs, aside from my intel laptop I use for work. I do not own any Nvidia products, so if it isn't currently working on AMD graphics chips then I'll have to wait till it does.

I am willing to take the chance though as I have a huge backlog anyway and I am sure if it doesn't work on Linux with AMD graphics now it probably will in due time. Also, I trust Liam's judgment as he has not let me down yet as far as game recommendations go. Thanks for the heads up Liam, and to all my Penguins, let's show 'em how many Linux gamers there really are out there!

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Quoting: sn0rlaxI've read through the comments and haven't seen an actual answer to this:

If I want my purchase to be counted as a Linux purchase on Steam, do I have to wait for it to be officially available for Linux? I will buy this game, but I want my purchase counted and noted as a Linux purchase. Looking for concrete info, not "Don't worry about it" or "Just buy it and install, it runs."

I think Liam made it clear that it will be counted as a Linux sale on page 3 of the comments.

I just bought a copy on Steam. I've been looking forward to playing this for while. Thanks for sticking at it devs!

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I've read through the comments and haven't seen an actual answer to this:

If I want my purchase to be counted as a Linux purchase on Steam, do I have to wait for it to be officially available for Linux? I will buy this game, but I want my purchase counted and noted as a Linux purchase. Looking for concrete info, not "Don't worry about it" or "Just buy it and install, it runs."

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I freaking hope it's rise of the tomb raider. I really want to play that game. I don't care too much about F1 2017

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Quoting: RafiLinuxQuick question on Humble Bundle games for sale. How can you tell that the game they are selling is available in binary form along with the Steam key?

I assume you want a DRM-free download?
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Cool. So it has to say DRM FREE and have the Linux logo. Great! Before it use to say binary and steam key on the tooltip.

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Quoting: RafiLinuxI really want to get the MK 1,2 and 3 from GOG but why is it not available on Linux since it's DOSBOX? Does anyone own these and run them natively on Linux? I do mean these DOS version not any other emulated version.

Yep. GOG don't have installers for many DOSBOX games and then they don't list Linux for that game. DOSBOX is the same on any OS, so you can make it work. You'll need to install the game using wine or extract it (don't know the tools for that) and extract the game.
This is one of the reasons why I wish they'd just ship the raw game as well as installers.

Me too. I wish ROMS were sold and you chose the emulated you wanted to work with. Like the NeoGeo stuff from HB.

I bought it but now I am having trouble getting my Logitech F310 working with the game. Many on GOG are having the same issue on other platforms.

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Can I get an opinion on Rust from a single player perspective? I don't do PVP, hell I barely PVE. I do love building Minecraft style however. Is this game a good fit if you just like to progress skills, scavenge, build, and occasionally kill baddies in a self-hosted SP manner?

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These people really need linux development gofundme's, i bet we would get every game then.

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