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Feral show off Total War: WARHAMMER II on Linux, along with confirming more Linux ports and a Vulkan teaser
17 October 2018 at 2:55 pm UTC

mylka
M@GOidIf my experience with Proton means something, Feral is pretty safe. Unless Proton magically hits Gallium 9 levels of performance, their ports will always be better.

And I still keep my promise of "no tux, no bux".

im not sure about that
if you take ROTR and compare linux native vs windows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU9jTvWiids
and shadow of TTR - linux proton vs windows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qubt4vrrh_E

the difference is not that big. lets wait how a native port of the new TR performs, but proton set the bar quite high

im also waiting for valve leting you install windows versions of native linux games on linux and compare it to the native version

You can, if you wish, install Steam via wine and basically run the games that way. Of course, for apples-to-apples, you might want a customised wine version that includes what patches Valve have added. Depends how desperately you want to compare though - obviously it's not a click and play approach, you'll need to build wine for yourself.

"Proton" misses a few other things that might not show in the usual comparisons (at work right now, and watching gaming videos on youtube is frowned upon, so I've not watched the links). Any porting company can tweak parts of the game itself to smooth out gameplay (I know Feral did this for Mad Max, where specific map areas were tweaked with Vulkan to have them run much better). A generic wrapper like wine can't really do this too easily, but then it's also perhaps not something seen in every game either. I only mention because while it might not show up in youtube videos, it can affect game enjoyment quite substantially.

For myself, Rise of the Tomb Raider was extra playable for me personally because of some of the work Feral did with task management and multiple cores. Even my old rig played it smoothly because of 6 cores.

Wine though does let me play even native games that won't work for me (Dawn of War II: Retribution in particular has some audio library incompatibility meaning I can only play it properly via wine). Basically there's more to it than just fps is all I'm trying to say.

SC Controller driver and UI version 0.4.5 is out, last release for a while
29 September 2018 at 3:35 pm UTC Likes: 1

TheSyldat
mirvTelling people to be on your side of the fence presumes they haven't been in minority situations themselves. I believe I know what you're trying to say, and generally agree, but I don't think you're communicating it very well.
Please take this only as a critique of your communication skills, not of experiences.
Some of it will be a language barrier, and cultural differences do play their part. But your "tone" (as much as text has tone) is more forceful than not, and it doesn't generally help.
The same is true of others, but in my view they're attempting to be more...gentle, perhaps, for the most part. And I understand you may be trying as well, but sadly it's not (in my own opinion of course) quite working. I only suggest to please continue, just change tact a little bit; I think what you have to say is important, and want to encourage you being able to say it such that it's more accepted.

Again I'm done trying to explain myself and repeating myself, the only way for anyone that still thinks I'm antagonizing them to realise I'm not is to live through a very close form of systematic discrimination during years to start to envison that no I'm not antagonizing here.
In other words "only an abuser or a silent accomplice of an abuser gets mad at being called one" but that sentence no matter how you reformulate it will only be understood once you have been in the seat of the discriminated.

Heck the ending of the film Red State is a perfect example of that. So I dunno maybe go watch that movie and you'll start to get it

As far as I'm concerned I'm done repeating myself.

Many are not confronted with situations where they can classified as an abuser, accomplice, or victim, so reformulating does make a big difference. Not everyone is in that situation, or some that are may genuinely not recognise it.
Saying that group X is abused by group Y, so please be considerate to and inclusive of group X in recognition of that is far more impersonal and will be more accepted than saying "you're part of group Y and group Y are abusers".
True that not everyone can understand the position of group X, but they might suffer from being in group Z, which neither X nor Y understands. So it's important to recognise this, in addition to asking someone to help recognise and help anyone in a group X situation.

Repeating the same way won't work, but trying again a slighty diffetent way might.

SC Controller driver and UI version 0.4.5 is out, last release for a while
29 September 2018 at 2:41 pm UTC Likes: 1

TheSyldat
SamsaiHere's something to consider. If you aggressively put people into boxes with negative connotations, it's quite normal for them to not be all that happy about it. Now, some might do a bit of introspection and strive to be better but others will take offense and could very well have less sympathy for those who suffer and have suffered. If you call someone an abuser they might just become one or turn a blind eye to those conducting the abuse, after all they've been called an abuser and they haven't done anything wrong so clearly the other guy is also being falsely labelled. You can say how you don't mean that they are the enemy and how you don't accuse them specifically but words have this property where their meaning is often up for interpretation. If your method creates more enemies than gains allies you might want to rethink your methods. If you keep throwing around labels then eventually the meaning of the labels diminishes.
Be on my side of the fence just once and you'll soon realise that holding accountable/responsible can come in millions of ways and "being mindfull and recognising that it has happened" is one of them.

Sorry won't develop any further because I'm just about done repeating myself.

Telling people to be on your side of the fence presumes they haven't been in minority situations themselves. I believe I know what you're trying to say, and generally agree, but I don't think you're communicating it very well.
Please take this only as a critique of your communication skills, not of experiences.
Some of it will be a language barrier, and cultural differences do play their part. But your "tone" (as much as text has tone) is more forceful than not, and it doesn't generally help.
The same is true of others, but in my view they're attempting to be more...gentle, perhaps, for the most part. And I understand you may be trying as well, but sadly it's not (in my own opinion of course) quite working. I only suggest to please continue, just change tact a little bit; I think what you have to say is important, and want to encourage you being able to say it such that it's more accepted.

BATTLETECH gets an opt-in Linux beta on Steam
29 September 2018 at 10:12 am UTC Likes: 3

drmoth
PatolaHarebrained Games is purposefully adopting a strategy that harms themselves and their faithful Linux customers. When Linux gamers complain about that, it is at the same time annoyance for being a second-class citizen and a facepalm for the developer influencing them to NOT buy the game.

There goes that entitlement again. Seriously, go play on Windows if that's your attitude, and I'm referring to all the complainers in this thread.

Yes they broke a promise they made during Kickstarter. Game development is hugely complicated and doesn't always turn out as expected. Very often there are delays. So if there's a major technical hiccup, the Linux release will get postponed. That's just a fact of life until we can get our numbers up. We've seen this happen time and time again. Leave the game broken for 95% of your users? Or try and release a broken game to 1% of Linux users? No, you fix the game for 95% of your users, then get on to releasing for the minor platforms later. It makes total sense to me and I don't mind waiting, as long as the port arrives eventually (which it has).

Pretending that the devs have any control over this is showing your ignorance of the game dev process....and makes you look like yet another entitled whining gamer.

HBS have given us some GREAT Linux games. Show them a little respect.

I will, politely, disagree with _some_ of what you said. I do agree that there shouldn't be entitlement, but HBS don't deserve praise for things like promising beta access to GNU/Linux users and then just not doing it. They have a lot more control over things than you suggest, and their communication was (and is) seriously not good.
Windows users are still lacking localisation last I heard.
So they buggered up in more places than one. Recognising that, in a respective and reasonable manner, I think helps more in the end.
Especially as there was no problem getting a Mac version out so much earlier.
Basically I'm middle ground: no praise from me, no anger. Not worthless, but worth less than asking.

Which is probably fine - still a purchase, assuming I find it on GOG (again, personal preference thing).

BATTLETECH gets an opt-in Linux beta on Steam
28 September 2018 at 5:19 pm UTC Likes: 1

nitroflow
mirv
nitroflowHarebrained schemes(the actual developer, you know, not Paradox) as delivered on every single kickstarter they made, and linux release has also been delayed in past titles, so I don't know what most of you are on about?

Kickstarter of a multiplayer oriented game that said day one release. So much has been missed on this game (even things like preorder only content) for GNU/Linux users.
That's why I won't buy it full price. And GOG because I'll only play single player now (personal choice).

There was lack of communication, and unfulfilled promises. Finally having something doesn't negate that. That's what I'm on about anyway.

Fair enough, but that's not enough to take out the pitchforks and run to get a refund though.

I'm not suggesting refunds: kickstarter isn't a guarantee, it's more like an investment strategy, and it's up to each user to choose to be a backer.

Really hard to convey what I mean with just text, but I most certainly don't suggest pitchforks! Mostly just an analysis from me: I don't think that to an end user on GNU/Linux that the game is worth full price now. Reasons are important for feedback to HBS - if they want more money, give an earlier release and keep the promises made. And that's really all - but I stress this as a "feedback tone", not a "pitchfork tone".

BATTLETECH gets an opt-in Linux beta on Steam
28 September 2018 at 10:50 am UTC Likes: 4

nitroflowHarebrained schemes(the actual developer, you know, not Paradox) as delivered on every single kickstarter they made, and linux release has also been delayed in past titles, so I don't know what most of you are on about?

Kickstarter of a multiplayer oriented game that said day one release. So much has been missed on this game (even things like preorder only content) for GNU/Linux users.
That's why I won't buy it full price. And GOG because I'll only play single player now (personal choice).

There was lack of communication, and unfulfilled promises. Finally having something doesn't negate that. That's what I'm on about anyway.

BATTLETECH gets an opt-in Linux beta on Steam
28 September 2018 at 7:17 am UTC

Huh.

Surprised that something does exist. I'll still wait for it on GOG. And on sale.

SC Controller driver and UI version 0.4.5 is out, last release for a while
27 September 2018 at 5:52 am UTC

baccilus
mirv
Dolus
Purple Library Guy
DolusHere, is a little something that might blow your mind: I do not care. I do not care about a contributors sexuality, religion or political affiliation. If their contributions make Linux a better kernel, they should be allowed to contribute. That is how it should be. Instead we now have these neon haired puritans
So, not their sexuality, religion or political affiliation, but you do care about the colour of their hair.

That is about political 'leanings' as opposed to an official affiliation with any particular party. And that is perfectly fine as far as I'm concerned. There really is only one group wearing the neon hair right now. And it's not the anime community anymore. And I'm a bisexual deist, btw, so you can take everything else you were trying to imply here and shove it.

I'm about done with this community. Were it not for RMS and GNU taking a stand against this CoC, I'd be done with open source/Free Software in general. This community, on the whole, has been more than happy to go about mocking people like RMS and ESR all day for their lack of social graces FOR DECADES, but, suddenly, sexist bigoted bullies (you want proof, I'll be more than happy to link you to Coraline's Twitter posts) like Coraline Ada are lionized and protected from critical comments.

A year from now Linux is going to end up JUST like FreeBSD. Half of the community is going to pack up and leave because they were accused of being everything from a Nazi (I saved a screen cap, btw) to a *phobe of every variety JUST for believing this CoC is not *just* about playing nice. And this entire thread shows that to be true.

You really are going overboard here. Calm down.
a) Coraline is in no way involved in the Linux kernel. You are bringing her into this discussion when she has nothing to do with it beyond authoring the CoC. And if that's sufficient to destroy a project, you'd best tell Google, Microsoft, Apple, and thousands of Open Source projects that apparently they shouldn't be in existence because they use the same CoC. Let me repeat this: Coraline has _no_ involvement in the decisions made about the CoC as it relates to the Linux kernel. None.
b) RMS disapproves of codes of conduct in general, but otherwise this doesn't affect him. That's all he's said. Hardly "taking a stand".
c) It's really easy to have a discussion disagreeing without stating that half the community will be accused of being a Nazi (and actually, looking back, I don't think you were - but I do see how you might have felt that way). It's not about disagreeing that a few are having problems about with your comments - it's the way you're coming across (hint: not as reasonable). You're own words are aggressive. This will only result in people being aggressive back to you, and you don't then have the right to complain about it. Calm down, at least try be more reasoned, see where it gets you. Believe it or not, I'm trying to help you here.
Is there anything in the world that can convince you that this CoC has hidden agendas? What if people start getting called Nazis, racist, *phobes at the drop of a hat, and suffering on that account?
This CoC is wrapped in a noble wrapper of inclusiveness and diversity, and people who are supporting it without being SJW themselves, just refuse to unwrap it to see whats inside. Supporting this CoC seems like the virtuous thing to do. By defending it, one can feel good about oneself.

How is a CoC going to make people start to be called Nazis, racist, and *phobes? The only conspiracy theory way that happens is if someone tries to make it happen - and then they are to blame, and there will be public record of them egging others on to achieve that.
TAB holds the power for rulings. So unless the members of that body are the ones with a hidden agenda (and they wouldn't need a CoC if they did have one), then you need not worry.

SC Controller driver and UI version 0.4.5 is out, last release for a while
26 September 2018 at 6:15 pm UTC

Purple Library Guy
mirv
DolusYou know damn well what the tiki torch is a dog whistle for. Even if you're not an American. Don't play coy.
Ahh, yes, I know that arrogance. Presuming the whole world is exactly the same as your own experiences. I've said twice that I don't understand the reference. I've not seen that movie (and it does look like it's a still from a movie, but it could be a play for all I know, or random Internet meme that I've not seen).

So grow up a little and stop acting like a spoiled child.
The specific reference is the opposite of the point. The point is that in the absence of the specific reference, it looks like one of those weenie white supremacist neo-nazi types who parade in the US with tiki-torches (because they can't get real ones) and have been increasing significantly in visibility in the US in recent years. There are similar types on the rise in many countries in Europe. They've been all over the friggin' headlines ever since Trump was elected; whether there are actually any more of them or whether this is largely a media narrative thing is unclear to me. But they are there, they are nasty, and they certainly all object strenuously to "SJWs". So if you take someone who is complaining about a Code of Conduct and, strenuously, about a person who is being described as an "SJW", and you say they look like that, then in the absence of whatever specific meme, you're calling them a neo-nazi. Sure, maybe it looks a little silly to be a real neo-nazi, but there are some pretty silly-looking real neo-nazis out there.
I would say it was that post with the picture which, at best, arrogantly assumed everyone had the same experience. I have no idea what the specific reference is supposed to be either; the person said it was a character who was some sort of ironic fake neo-nazi and so it's OK. I have no reason to doubt that it really was that character, but I'm not at all so clear that that makes it OK, and only partly because I don't know who the hell the character is.

The tiki torch thing is a new one to me. While I've heard of neo-nazi groups being their usual selves, I wasn't aware of the tiki torch reference - obviously the news I've seen never highlighted that aspect. Cheers for the explanation.
neo-nazi is different to a Nazi, to me. A matter of scaling in this context however - both are indeed beyond the line. I'll not comment more on this aspect (and if Liam wants to remove more posts on this, I will understand and agree).

SC Controller driver and UI version 0.4.5 is out, last release for a while
26 September 2018 at 6:05 pm UTC Likes: 1

Dolus
mirv
DolusIt's damn good to be an American, what can I say? But that aside, the tiki torch incident was broadcast all over the world. It be came a meme on Twitter. It's not *just* an American thing when the BBC uses 'tiki torch' as shorthand.

I'm neither North American or South American, and I'm not British, or of a nationality from any country within the BBC's broadcasting scope. So no, it was obviously not broadcast all over the world if I've never heard about it before, or seen it. Just because you think something is well known, doesn't mean others do.
What happened was clearly bad. I've asked for information about what it is. I'll make up my own mind about how that translates to being called a Nazi (which is something I take quite seriously) when I'm more informed on the matter. But that content has all been removed, and regardless you cannot lump "half the community" in with it. While it may have gone too far apparently, your own words and language did invite some kind of response, making you not entirely blameless. If you can recognise that, you can recognise that you yourself then have some measure of control of such actions within the community, and the ability to make it a better place.

Have you been to r/linux lately? That happens all the time there. How long do you expect people who disagree with this CoC to stick around when they're being called every taboo thing under the sun? Nobody likes being called a Nazi. Nobody likes being called a bigot. Especially when all they are trying to do is show people how this CoC was designed to be abusive.

People are going to leave. Lots of people. Then all you will have left working in and contributing to the kernel are people who share a lot of political leanings with the head suites at MS, Google, and Intel. How convenient.

My point to you is that _you_ are inviting disagreeable words to yourself. I never called you a Nazi, or a bigot. I don't care about r/linux, I never go there. I am, however, here. I have called you a hypocrite, and given the exact reason why. I've also pointed out that nobody is leaving the kernel development (yet, anyway). So why do you think people will leave? Where is the proof of this?
The person in question from the article does not count, by the way, as they are not involved in kernel development. A single person leaving for their own political views can easily be offset by pointing out people who have already left because of the abuse they suffered (which is why the CoC has been introduced - to stop that happening).

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