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I see no point in separating Proton from Wine in the first question. Do you need to ask about every Wine fork or modification then? What about wine-esync, wine-staging or even wine+dxvk? All that, including Proton can be called Wine and derivatives.
Question about Steam Play makes sense as a separate category. It focuses not on the tool, but on the use case of integration with Steam client and also interest of people to attribute Steam purchases to Linux usage.
Those who use any variant of Wine (including Proton) but don't use Steam Play will answer Yes (Wine) / No (Steam Play). Those who use Steam Play (which implies Proton) will answer Yes / Yes. This provides a distinction in stats for both cases and you can see total Wine usage.
Last edited by Shmerl on 26 November 2018 at 5:54 pm UTC
I think this will even be more confusing, except for people that knows all the in's and out's of wine and its variations. Do you think that people that play "The Wintcher 2" using E-ON by VP should answer the Wine question with "yes" too? You are technically correct, but I don't think it helps here.
I guess 90% (may be more) of all people talk about Steam Play when they write Proton.
Last edited by jens on 26 November 2018 at 6:06 pm UTC
eON isn't using Wine at all. If you think some question is confusing, then question should have a good clarification.
As far as I understood eON by VP is a heavily stripped down version of wine with obviously lots of tweaks for a specific game.
Last edited by jens on 26 November 2018 at 6:08 pm UTC
No, it's an independent project. They used some ideas from Wine to improve their performance, but not the code.
Last edited by Shmerl on 26 November 2018 at 6:51 pm UTC
Alright, thanks for the clarification.
Shmerl makes a good argument for separating 'Wine+derivatives' and 'Steam Play-Proton'. That should be fine.
Before making any changes though, I'd recommend taking a moment to think about the survey itself.
What sort of data are we collecting, and for what purpose? Is it illustrating meaningful stats in its current state?
For example, AMD drivers was mentioned. While an interesting topic in itself (to some at least), perhaps it's unnecessarily complicated to separate all the open source options, unless there's a valid reason to investigate the various drivers usage specifically.
I'm all for Keeping It Simple Sugarhoneybabycakes.
This is what I would suggest too. :)
Last edited by jens on 26 November 2018 at 8:43 pm UTC
Not exactly. You suggest to in the first question to exclude Proton. That's a different question from Wine+derivatives. It is actually more complicated to ask "do use Wine or derivatives, but not Proton?" than "do you use Wine or derivatives?".
Using your method combined with proposal to make the second question about Steam Play, some who use Proton but not Steam Play will answer no to both questions which makes zero sense if you actually want to evaluate Wine usage.
Last edited by Shmerl on 26 November 2018 at 8:57 pm UTC