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GOG to go through some reorganization after suffering losses
By damarrin, 1 December 2021 at 6:10 am UTC

GOG’s no-DRM policy is nice, but it has nothing to do with Linux or open source.

They started out as an old games store and no-DRM was them trying to stand out and was fitting for their catalogue where publishers wouldn’t be adamant about protecting their investments.

The lines are all blurred now with new games on GOG and old games on Steam and Steam is winning.

But I bet Steam isn’t winning because it has first-class Linux support. In fact, the only reason they do so much for Linux is because they can afford it and someone decided Windows’ monopoly needs to be broken and that is the real reason Valve deserves our (Linux users’) support. For now.

GOG to go through some reorganization after suffering losses
By metalinux, 1 December 2021 at 4:55 am UTC

I am a huge supporter of DRM-Free games, movies and software and only currently buy from GOG because of that.

I bought multiple games from Steam in the past, but upon realising that you are only buying a licence and that even backing up the games still requires Steam and an infrequent connection to Steam's servers to play them, kind of put me off from Steam (I realise some games are DRM-Free on Steam, but getting some of them to run is a real faff). I need to have the option to download and backup the games I own to a local drive.

Not to be dismissive of Valve, I am very grateful for the upstream contributions they have made to the Linux Kernel, the WINE Project, MESA development and more - I hope that continues. If Valve made the switch and removed the majority of DRM on their games, I would only buy through Steam, to be sure of that.

Currently, I donate the money I would use to buy some games to the WINE Project itself and any other Linux distro/open source software that I use. In my opinion, they need the money more than an $8 billion dollar corporation like Valve.

Back to GOG though:

GOG/CD Projekt Red, I really hope the following gets addressed (for your sake if nothing else):

- GOG Galaxy Linux Client - I find it very difficult to believe that after years of selling Linux versions of games on GOG, that we still don't have a Linux client. While the website interface is usable enough, it is painful trying to download games unless you use a client like Lutris or MiniGalaxy.

- Contributions to Linux upstream - I feel that GOG would get a lot more credibility, certainly in the Linux community (just look at what Valve has done), if they used some of their clearly talented staff to contribute upstream to projects that use/connect to GOG or its games (like the WINE Project).

- Better Regional Pricing - More currencies need to be supported on GOG, I currently have to buy my games in dollars (with whatever exchange rate I am given).

Aside from that, the store and my library is easy enough to navigate and as I mentioned before, DRM-Free is the way to go in my opinion.

Valheim gets a new patch, plus teasers for Mistlands and Caves
By cKylec, 1 December 2021 at 4:46 am UTC

Love Valheim and can't wait for the upcoming content. Although the mistlands having spiders has me a bit apprehensive

P.s
I run a small private server for friends - So if any linux's from here want a small, casual and mature group send me a pm if you need somewhere to play :)

GOG to go through some reorganization after suffering losses
By redman, 1 December 2021 at 4:31 am UTC

Is really sad news for me, the only store that I buy games is GOG. I don't have thousand of games I only have a few selected games, because time is scarce and why buy something that I will not use. The killer feature for me is that I have the game in my power, I don't depend that the "cloud" is working that day, I can install in any of my machines. Yes, is been a hassle installing them sometimes but PlayOnLinux or Lutris is always making life easy.
What is really bad for me is that always people tend to compare to Valve, Valve is a monopoly in the gaming scene, they can do whatever they want whenever they want it. They have the 75% market share on 2013 and the number are not open (Is a for profit company after all, and doing really good).

The really important thing is that we need diversity, we need more stores that give us choices. That's what good for us the consumers, and yes easy is good but sometimes is Free as in Beer nothing more.

GOverlay for editing MangoHud gets a new Steam Deck friendly UI
By benjamimgois, 1 December 2021 at 4:21 am UTC

Quoting: TheRiddickYou know it appears to me the default Cube render to the right does not have overlay present unless it is enabled globally beforehand.. I suggest making sure it sets the environmental variables correctly on program launch.


Some users were reporting this behavior, the package goverlay-git on the AUR had a script to launch the program correctly, just today i discover that the package goverlay-bin also on the AUR was lacking that script. But it's already fixed. Check the contents of the file /usr/bin/goverlay,

it should be something like this.

#!/bin/sh
# This script will launch the compiled goverlay binary the correct way
#
# QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb will force the application to run in x11 mode, so it works on wayland desktops.
# mangohud --dlsym will force the mangohud display on the spinning cube on goverlay.
# --style fusion will make sure the interface doesn't break in diferent DE and QT themes.

export QT_QPA_PLATFORM=xcb
mangohud --dlsym @libexecdir@/goverlay --style fusion

KDE developer suggests Plasma needs to be simpler by default
By Lanz, 1 December 2021 at 4:11 am UTC

Sane defaults is fine, but don't force the design paradigms of Windows 11 or OSX on us and don't remove any features for the sake of simplicity. Now that Microsoft is trying to be Apple, KDE should try to be Microsoft when it still cared about productivity - ie classic taskbar, powerful window management, competent file management, etc.

Ubisoft suggest posting on their forum for Proton support in Rainbow Six Siege
By BlooAlien, 1 December 2021 at 3:55 am UTC Likes: 1

Quoting: randyl
Quoting: jasonm
Quoting: Liam Dawe
Quoting: jasonmIt's an email to Battleye to turn it on. Unless they're really going to "actively" support it, which I question, why all the theater? Just send the damn email.
There's quite a few reasons actually.

For starters, enabling it would require sign-off by different people in the company. This would also need thorough testing, to ensure they're actually happy with the protection it provides. Mechanically simple for them to enable by asking, sure, but big online games have a lot to think about when enabling a new platform.

Asking for people to post in a forum to show support is simply silly. Look at the numbers and the fact that Valve's money did all the porting work for them. I get them not wanting to support us because we're small and it was too much work, but at this point, asking for forum posts is nothing short of pathetic.
You know what's silly? The 1 - 2% asking for any game support or accommodation at all, while feeling entirely entitled to being treated equally. Why is it so much for a company to ask for a little show of public support from their user base? Linux gamers are asking this company to spend time and money on something that most likely will be a financial loss. There is a risk involved with taking this sort of support on and some people could be on the hook for the decision. The safest way out here is for them to just ignore the anti-cheat support request. The question Linux gamers should be asking themselves is why should Ubisoft support the platform and what can they do to encourage them? If it were me and this were important I would start a positive social media campaign, get messages on their forum, and on Twitter, Facebook, Hacker News, Reddit, and other social news/discussion platforms and make our collective voice loud in a friendly way.

It's too much to ask because in the past this same company has actively ignored all requests no matter how polite or friendly, regardless of how many people are in the requesting group. Some of us have zero faith that any amount of posting in their stupid fucking forum is going to have the slightest bit of effect, because this company has traditionally been excessively hostile to Linux users in general. Why would they suddenly change their stripes now?

Quoting: randylLinux Land needs to be a lot less hostile and a lot more welcoming and embracing of change and acceptance if they want to see the adoption it's long been asking for. The buzz around Linux adoption through Proton and the Steam Deck is an opportunity that may not come again for a while and it would be a shame for it to be wasted. If Linux gamers and users keep up their hostile attitude people probably aren't going to adopt the platform and a backlash could occur instead.

"Less hostile" in the way that Windows users have been "less hostile" to people like me? Harassing, trolling, stalking, making endless hateful comments, using every stereotypical insult in the book? That sorta "less hostile"? So sick and tired of being labeled as "toxic" literally just because I use Linux when most of my life I've actively gone out of my way to help people with computer issues regardless of which operating system they chose to use, yet it's literally never labeled as "toxic" to literally stalk me (or other Linux users) across multiple forums to endlessly harass us, because we're "a minority group" among computer users.

Just makes me positively sick that people will endlessly harass a group (or an individual) in the most hateful fashion, but then when some folks in that group finally start to get sick of the abuse enough to speak up about it, they're "toxic" for not just shutting up and accepting their abuse and begging for more. Funny how they're always suddenly all polite and your best friend in the world when their computer's all broken though… Y'know, when they think they can take advantage of you as their "free tech-support guy".

GOG to go through some reorganization after suffering losses
By BlooAlien, 1 December 2021 at 3:43 am UTC

Quoting: kuhpunkt
Quoting: STiAT
Quoting: kuhpunkt
Quoting: STiATI'd like a competitor to Steam.

What would be the benefit of that?

Less costs for devs/publishers. I know AAAs usually csn easily afford that and still make millions, but indies often can't really afford it.

And besides that?

What has always been the benefit of competition for the consumer? It forces companies to continue to improve, or lose customers to their competition. With little or no competition, a company can basically abuse the hell outta their customers, and nobody can do jack about it. For examples of this behavior, look to Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Xfinity, and many others who abuse the hell out of their monopoly (or near monopoly) positions in the "marketplace" and notice how they get away with some of the shadiest practices simply because the lack of competition for people to switch to gives them that ability.

Valve puts up official developer FAQ for the Steam Deck
By fenglengshun, 1 December 2021 at 3:27 am UTC

I really love this. I'm currently looking at Endless OS and Fedora Kinoite to see if it could work for my usecase.

I would love to also have a Toolbox container though. If the UX on PC is decent, I might just use it, then use Toolbox to have CrossOver inside one Toolbox, then install most of what I need via Flatpak (and maybe some other AUR-under-Toolbox container if they're not there).

GOG to go through some reorganization after suffering losses
By fenglengshun, 1 December 2021 at 2:57 am UTC

Personally, I just find other game stores to be a hassle. And most of their feature parity with Steam is lacking, even if you're a Windows gamer.

The whole Steam package is what's keeping me on Steam. Steam Cloud, Steam Workshop, Steam Guide, Steam Community (I don't use it much, but posting cool/funny screenshots do give that dopamine hit), Steam Friends, Steam Chat, easy invite, Steam Play Together (I've used it play a fighting game with a friend - latency isn't great but it's just for fun so whatevs), Steam Overlay (with easy browser access)...

GOverlay for editing MangoHud gets a new Steam Deck friendly UI
By fenglengshun, 1 December 2021 at 2:49 am UTC

Quoting: rustybroomhandleAnd I guess while we're at it, Lutris is not on there either. (been on flathub-beta for ages)
Can someone tell me how Steam and Lutris has been, on Flathub? I've only gotten around to installing it this week but haven't had the chance to test either yet.

Reminder: Update your PC info for the next round of statistics updates
By fenglengshun, 1 December 2021 at 2:47 am UTC

Quoting: Liam DaweAdded.
And updated! Thanks!

Steam Play Proton 6.3-8 out with initial BattlEye support, CEG DRM and more games
By m2mg2, 1 December 2021 at 2:17 am UTC

Quoting: obscurenforeign
Quoting: m2mg2
Quoting: obscurenforeignJust tested a few CEG games I have (I was looking forward to Valve figuring out how to support their own DRM )
Just Cause 2: Crashes. The borderless trick mentioned in another comment didn't work for me.
Saints Row: The Third: Runs, but has this weird issue where the game pauses for a second every ~10 seconds. Not very playable as a result. :(
Duke Nukem Forever: Seems to have the SR3 freezing issue but only on the menus. Launched taking up 1/4 of my monitor for some reason. (Switching resolutions fixed this.) Gameplay is... well, it seems to run as intended. I can't call it good since the game itself isn't very good, and Proton isn't going to fix that.

What video cards are you guys using? Also, I forgot but I think I also did a couple proton tricks for Just Cause 2.
protontricks 8190 d3dx10 d3dcompiler_43 d3dcompiler_47

Radeon 5600 XT here. My profile on here should be publicly visible by now.

Thanks, that protontricks command worked! Though I admit protontricks isn't the most pleasant experience out there. (Do you think Linus Techtip would be able to figure out how to do that? )

Quoting: m2mg2If you don't want to mess with protontricks you could try just putting -dx9 in the game command options. Not sure if JC 2 has a directx9 path or not but worth a shot.

Just Cause 2 has a hard requirement of DirectX 10. In fact, it was the first game I remember ever seeing that required Windows Vista, it wouldn't run on Windows XP. Thankfully Windows 7 was out by then. I remember JC2 motivating me to switch to Windows 7 at the time. (Windows XP was still dominant when JC2 came out.)

I thought it might and that was why I had so much trouble with it. I agree resorting to protontricks is not very nice. It runs awesome if you're willing to do it though.

GOG to go through some reorganization after suffering losses
By Phlebiac, 1 December 2021 at 1:41 am UTC

Quoting: LibertyPaulMit is exceedingly difficult for any PC game store to be profitable unless they sell Steam keys

I know I would be more inclined to purchase from GOG if it included a Steam key along with the DRM-free version, like Humble.

They had their "GOG Connect" program for building up your GOG library based on games you already had on Steam, which was nice, but this would be more the other direction.

GOverlay for editing MangoHud gets a new Steam Deck friendly UI
By TheRiddick, 1 December 2021 at 12:43 am UTC

Quoting: benjamimgoisThanks guys ! The UI works fine on plasma but there're currently some problems with Gnome. It seems the new UI always relies on the light-theme version of the desktop, even if you are using the dark one. That breaks the interface... i'm working in a fix for 0.7.1 soon.

You know it appears to me the default Cube render to the right does not have overlay present unless it is enabled globally beforehand.. I suggest making sure it sets the environmental variables correctly on program launch.

I can get the MangoHud overlay to show if I select the controller icon down bottom right and select vkcube again but this shouldn't be needed to preview given you're already running it on the right!

GOG to go through some reorganization after suffering losses
By TheRiddick, 1 December 2021 at 12:27 am UTC Likes: 1

WELL if they release GOG Galaxy 2 for Linux and Mac they might get some bonus points from the community... just a thought.

Ubisoft suggest posting on their forum for Proton support in Rainbow Six Siege
By elmapul, 1 December 2021 at 12:26 am UTC Likes: 1

Quoting: randylA small minority of desktop tech platform users desire a business to spend money and time on them as the other 98% who are footing the bill. This isn't social justice, it's business.

not to mention that PC is just an small % of their profits, most of it come from consoles or even mobile.

Quoting: randylWhat these businesses like Ubisoft are asking is that this small Linux gaming minority to make a case that doing business with them will make sense.

actually is not even about us, but steam deck users, that is, if they are even following the situation.

in any case, if supportint the deck was indeed as easy as sending an e-mail, then in the worst case scenario for they, people will receive the deck, complain that the game isnt working, then they will send an e-mail and the game will start working.

they lose nothing by waiting.
on the other hand , if its not so simple they do lose, a lot of cheaters/bots entering their game due to an thing that didnt even had this big demmand to begin with, then a lot of customers asking for refund because they purchased the game expecting it to be supported and it was not...

Ubisoft suggest posting on their forum for Proton support in Rainbow Six Siege
By randyl, 1 December 2021 at 12:17 am UTC

Quoting: ObsidianBlkHere's the funny part, to me...
By merely making this statement, Ubisoft is admitting they're seeing potential that a lot of gamers could be buying the Steam Deck. The stupid part is, I'm betting a vast majority of gamers that get Steam Deck are not going to be Linux users, and, therefore, may have no idea that BattleEye isn't enabled for Linux/Proton and, by extension, Steam Deck. The average gamer may not even equate the two. You'll get a bunch of people buying the awesome looking Steam Deck "console" and be utterly flummoxed when their BattleEye-using Ubisoft game won't run at all because Ubisoft basically only asked Linux users (those paying the closest bit of attention) to post in their forums.

In the end, it's going to look like, to Ubisoft, that virtually none of their player base wants this game on the Steam Deck while the reality is, the vast majority of players that'd be playing on the Steam Deck won't even realize BattleEye and Proton are an issue they need to care about at the moment.

So, I'm not sure of Ubisofts game here. Is their intention to hurt the Steam Deck (and/or Valve) by explicitly setting up something that's going to make the demand seem low... or are they just stupid?

That said, it's all academic to me. I won't knowingly touch Ubisoft or Activision with a 50 foot pole at this time, so...
Ubisoft hasn't released FarCry 6 or any of their recent titles on Steam at all. They have released some DLC for UNO and For Honor, but not a base title. Their last Steam release was October 2020. Maybe they're in a disagreement over Valve's fees and policiies?

Maybe they're just trying to push gamers to their own platform. They do have enough name recognition to do so. They haven't released any of their games on Microsoft Game Pass or sell them in the Windows Store so it isn't just Valve they're giving the cold shoulder. They do still heavily promote their presence on Xbox and PlayStation. I find their marketing and business tactics puzzling lately.

I think they might have a deal with Epic, Stadia and/or Amazon Luna, so maybe that's why they're not making much noise about the Steam Deck as it's a direct competitor to those platforms.

Ubisoft suggest posting on their forum for Proton support in Rainbow Six Siege
By elmapul, 1 December 2021 at 12:17 am UTC

Quoting: MohandevirIn the meantime, a quick check showed me that Ubisoft got 14 pages of upvotes in 3 days... Don't know if that mean much, though, for such a big company...
just compare to other things in their forum to see if its a big deal or not

Ubisoft suggest posting on their forum for Proton support in Rainbow Six Siege
By randyl, 1 December 2021 at 12:03 am UTC Likes: 2

Quoting: CatKiller
Quoting: randylYou know what's silly? The 1 - 2% asking for any game support or accommodation at all, while feeling entirely entitled to being treated equally.
Of course they should be treated equally. Are games companies charging Linux users 94% less than Windows users? Or Mac users 90% less than Windows users? And the idea that minority groups should be treated worse because they're a minority is... like... really bad.
Okay, let's not conflate choices in tech platforms with bona fide minority demographics and coopt those social struggles. This issue is not even in the same realm and it is incredibly disingenuous to imply such. This demand for equal treatment is a business case not a social marginalization case. And we're also talking about entertainment software not life critical systems. These are first world problems we're dealing with.

A small minority of desktop tech platform users desire a business to spend money and time on them as the other 98% who are footing the bill. This isn't social justice, it's business.

These companies are selling a product on supported platforms and that is it, just like all other commercial software or services. What these businesses like Ubisoft are asking is that this small Linux gaming minority to make a case that doing business with them will make sense. They want to know the revenue and success will outweigh the risks and costs. Linux Land is a very fluid and variable platform. Windows, Xbox, iOS, PlayStation, and Switch are stable, predictable, and fairly slow to change while providing fairly decent legacy support. Linux doesn't have an OS face (distro) that is a default that offers those features. It makes developing for the Linux desktop a lot less attractive and certain than those other platforms.

By all means ignore their request if it doesn't sit right with you, but I think that will just end up with them declining to participate. The question they're asking is "Why should we support this?". So ask yourself that and try and give them an answer they don't want to refuse. That's all I'm really saying. Be more inviting and accommodating and try working with these companies if you want to do business with them.

Ubisoft suggest posting on their forum for Proton support in Rainbow Six Siege
By elmapul, 30 November 2021 at 11:41 pm UTC

supporting steam deck is not so simple.

sure they can fill in an e-mail and send, but then what happens if the anti cheat for linux isnt that good and the game get flooded with cheaters as result?
or if it cause aditional bugs that they have to fix?

if they arent sure about the demand, there is no point in supporting it, its a harsh reality.

and no, asking people to ask then in a forum is not to meassure the exact demmand for it, most of people dont interact with the foruns of every game they play.

its just to get an sample base.

as for stadia, not only google paid then for stadia, but stadia by nature is almost cheat proof.

Ubisoft suggest posting on their forum for Proton support in Rainbow Six Siege
By jasonm, 30 November 2021 at 10:07 pm UTC Likes: 1

Quoting: Lofty
Quoting: jasonmWhy are you getting so defensive? I was explaining. I only had the desire to cludge up the forum because you said I said something I didn't.

If you expand my last reply to you i placed in bold your exact quote and still stand by what i said, in full exactly as you have written without any editing. Not defensive, it just seems silly to continue at this point.

Yup

Ubisoft suggest posting on their forum for Proton support in Rainbow Six Siege
By Lofty, 30 November 2021 at 10:04 pm UTC

Quoting: jasonmWhy are you getting so defensive? I was explaining. I only had the desire to cludge up the forum because you said I said something I didn't.

If you expand my last reply to you i placed in bold your exact quote and still stand by what i said, in full exactly as you have written without any editing. Not defensive, it just seems silly to continue at this point.

Ubisoft suggest posting on their forum for Proton support in Rainbow Six Siege
By jasonm, 30 November 2021 at 10:01 pm UTC

Quoting: Lofty
Quoting: jasonm
Quoting: Lofty
Quoting: jasonm
Quoting: Lofty
Quoting: jasonm
Quoting: Lofty
Quoting: jasonm
Quoting: Lofty
Quoting: jasonmIt's all about money to all of them, There's nothing wrong with that.

Disagree.


Quoting: mirvIf Ubisoft really wanted to do something, they'd stop internal employee abuse. Let's not forget what they put the actual devs through to make these games, or just because they can. Ubisoft has to earn my support, starting with removal of company culture of abuse. Then they can talk about earning my support for their games.

Agree.


Doesn't matter if you disagree or not, it's fact of the matter.

In your opinion. I agree companies exist to make money, that much is obvious. I don't agree with your added assessment that there is nothing morally wrong with the endless pursuit of money over everything else.

When it comes to you playing games on an OS that isn't really important to the world. You're trying to compare charity to supporting a game on an OS. They're not at all the same thing.

I understand your perspective, Im merely pointing out that i don't agree with your statement that there is 'nothing wrong' with only existing to make money..regardless of this thread's topic. That maybe the way of the world but you made the claim (and you are free to do so) that there is nothing wrong with that, i disagree.

What I'm saying is that you're taking my comment out of context. My comment was in regards to this game being supported on Proton. You can paraphrase words and add them to what I said to make it seem like I said something I didn't. But that's just you making things up in your head about what I said.

Im just replying to what you wrote. But if i missed or took your comment out of context then my apologies.

Here is my actual quote: "It's all about money to all of them, including Valve. Valve thankfully is building out Proton the right way, but it's due to money, not simply a love of Linux. There's nothing wrong with that."

This is in direct relation to games being ported to Linux. It had nothing to do with any other industry or situation. I feel I was pretty specific about what I meant by what I said.

I still stand by what I wrote. But at this point I have no desire to cludge up the forum going round & round in circles, and as i already offered apologies for missing any other context then there's nothing more for me to add.

Why are you getting so defensive? I was explaining. I only had the desire to cludge up the forum because you said I said something I didn't.

GOG to go through some reorganization after suffering losses
By Comandante Ñoñardo, 30 November 2021 at 10:01 pm UTC Likes: 1

Quoting: AcrophobicIn my case, I only buy from Steam because of the regional pricing. Without Steam's regional pricing, the cost of gaming is too expensive for me so my only choice is either to stop gaming or pirate the game (which almost impossible in Linux).

If GOG start using regional pricing then I might start buying from them. Until then, I'll keep on using Steam.

GOG indeed has regional pricing, but that depends on the publisher and the country.
Here in Argentina, some GOG games are more cheapest than in other countries.

In topic, GOG suffered a massive Cyberpunk 2077 refunds.

Ubisoft suggest posting on their forum for Proton support in Rainbow Six Siege
By Lofty, 30 November 2021 at 9:58 pm UTC

Quoting: jasonm
Quoting: Lofty
Quoting: jasonm
Quoting: Lofty
Quoting: jasonm
Quoting: Lofty
Quoting: jasonm
Quoting: Lofty
Quoting: jasonmIt's all about money to all of them, There's nothing wrong with that.

Disagree.


Quoting: mirvIf Ubisoft really wanted to do something, they'd stop internal employee abuse. Let's not forget what they put the actual devs through to make these games, or just because they can. Ubisoft has to earn my support, starting with removal of company culture of abuse. Then they can talk about earning my support for their games.

Agree.


Doesn't matter if you disagree or not, it's fact of the matter.

In your opinion. I agree companies exist to make money, that much is obvious. I don't agree with your added assessment that there is nothing morally wrong with the endless pursuit of money over everything else.

When it comes to you playing games on an OS that isn't really important to the world. You're trying to compare charity to supporting a game on an OS. They're not at all the same thing.

I understand your perspective, Im merely pointing out that i don't agree with your statement that there is 'nothing wrong' with only existing to make money..regardless of this thread's topic. That maybe the way of the world but you made the claim (and you are free to do so) that there is nothing wrong with that, i disagree.

What I'm saying is that you're taking my comment out of context. My comment was in regards to this game being supported on Proton. You can paraphrase words and add them to what I said to make it seem like I said something I didn't. But that's just you making things up in your head about what I said.

Im just replying to what you wrote. But if i missed or took your comment out of context then my apologies.

Here is my actual quote: "It's all about money to all of them, including Valve. Valve thankfully is building out Proton the right way, but it's due to money, not simply a love of Linux. There's nothing wrong with that."

This is in direct relation to games being ported to Linux. It had nothing to do with any other industry or situation. I feel I was pretty specific about what I meant by what I said.

I still stand by what I wrote. But at this point I have no desire to cludge up the forum going round & round in circles, and as i already offered apologies for missing any other context then there's nothing more for me to add.

GOG to go through some reorganization after suffering losses
By kuhpunkt, 30 November 2021 at 9:54 pm UTC

Quoting: STiAT
Quoting: kuhpunkt
Quoting: STiATI'd like a competitor to Steam.

What would be the benefit of that?

Less costs for devs/publishers. I know AAAs usually csn easily afford that and still make millions, but indies often can't really afford it.

And besides that?

Ubisoft suggest posting on their forum for Proton support in Rainbow Six Siege
By jasonm, 30 November 2021 at 9:49 pm UTC

Quoting: Lofty
Quoting: jasonm
Quoting: Lofty
Quoting: jasonm
Quoting: Lofty
Quoting: jasonm
Quoting: Lofty
Quoting: jasonmIt's all about money to all of them, There's nothing wrong with that.

Disagree.


Quoting: mirvIf Ubisoft really wanted to do something, they'd stop internal employee abuse. Let's not forget what they put the actual devs through to make these games, or just because they can. Ubisoft has to earn my support, starting with removal of company culture of abuse. Then they can talk about earning my support for their games.

Agree.


Doesn't matter if you disagree or not, it's fact of the matter.

In your opinion. I agree companies exist to make money, that much is obvious. I don't agree with your added assessment that there is nothing morally wrong with the endless pursuit of money over everything else.

When it comes to you playing games on an OS that isn't really important to the world. You're trying to compare charity to supporting a game on an OS. They're not at all the same thing.

I understand your perspective, Im merely pointing out that i don't agree with your statement that there is 'nothing wrong' with only existing to make money..regardless of this thread's topic. That maybe the way of the world but you made the claim (and you are free to do so) that there is nothing wrong with that, i disagree.

What I'm saying is that you're taking my comment out of context. My comment was in regards to this game being supported on Proton. You can paraphrase words and add them to what I said to make it seem like I said something I didn't. But that's just you making things up in your head about what I said.

Im just replying to what you wrote. But if i missed or took your comment out of context then my apologies.

Here is my actual quote: "It's all about money to all of them, including Valve. Valve thankfully is building out Proton the right way, but it's due to money, not simply a love of Linux. There's nothing wrong with that."

This is in direct relation to games being ported to Linux. It had nothing to do with any other industry or situation. I feel I was pretty specific about what I meant by what I said.

GOG to go through some reorganization after suffering losses
By STiAT, 30 November 2021 at 9:48 pm UTC

Quoting: kuhpunkt
Quoting: STiATI'd like a competitor to Steam.

What would be the benefit of that?

Less costs for devs/publishers. I know AAAs usually csn easily afford that and still make millions, but indies often can't really afford it.

Ubisoft suggest posting on their forum for Proton support in Rainbow Six Siege
By Lofty, 30 November 2021 at 9:45 pm UTC Likes: 2

Quoting: jasonm
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Quoting: jasonmIt's all about money to all of them, There's nothing wrong with that.

Disagree.


Quoting: mirvIf Ubisoft really wanted to do something, they'd stop internal employee abuse. Let's not forget what they put the actual devs through to make these games, or just because they can. Ubisoft has to earn my support, starting with removal of company culture of abuse. Then they can talk about earning my support for their games.

Agree.


Doesn't matter if you disagree or not, it's fact of the matter.

In your opinion. I agree companies exist to make money, that much is obvious. I don't agree with your added assessment that there is nothing morally wrong with the endless pursuit of money over everything else.

When it comes to you playing games on an OS that isn't really important to the world. You're trying to compare charity to supporting a game on an OS. They're not at all the same thing.

I understand your perspective, Im merely pointing out that i don't agree with your statement that there is 'nothing wrong' with only existing to make money..regardless of this thread's topic. That maybe the way of the world but you made the claim (and you are free to do so) that there is nothing wrong with that, i disagree.

What I'm saying is that you're taking my comment out of context. My comment was in regards to this game being supported on Proton. You can paraphrase words and add them to what I said to make it seem like I said something I didn't. But that's just you making things up in your head about what I said.

Im just replying to what you wrote. But if i missed or took your comment out of context then my apologies.