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Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By Whitewolfe80, 28 January 2017 at 3:59 pm UTC

Quoting: Cyril
Quoting: Whitewolfe80
Quoting: Cyril
Quoting: Guest
Quoting: wolfyrionwell if you check the depots of HITMAN

https://steamdb.info/app/236870/depots/

MAC and Linux Depots are FULL of DATA :P

Yeah it's Hitman releasing on the 31st of Jan sounds like. Just keep in mind the always-online DRM that this game has or will probably have. If they don't remove it now or eventually I definitely won't be supporting this one sadly.

I'm not alone. I was wondering why Feral (and others) don't release a DRM-Free Build, i would like to buy many games from them.
(Maybe i missed it)

Do you use steam to play said games because if you do you are already using a DRM system.

That's the thing, i don't use Steam, which is for me a DRM itself yes.
It's a DRM because you need to install their client on your PC to download/install any game.
I Buy my games on GOG, Humble Bundle or directly with devs on their website for example.
With these, you can download your game on their website directly. I would say, Humble Bundle is more "free" than GOG, because you don't even need to have an account to buy/downloads games, an email address only is required.

Fair point gog i like because they stand behind the product if it does not work you get free support.

Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By Cyril, 28 January 2017 at 3:35 pm UTC Likes: 2

Quoting: Whitewolfe80
Quoting: Cyril
Quoting: Guest
Quoting: wolfyrionwell if you check the depots of HITMAN

https://steamdb.info/app/236870/depots/

MAC and Linux Depots are FULL of DATA :P

Yeah it's Hitman releasing on the 31st of Jan sounds like. Just keep in mind the always-online DRM that this game has or will probably have. If they don't remove it now or eventually I definitely won't be supporting this one sadly.

I'm not alone. I was wondering why Feral (and others) don't release a DRM-Free Build, i would like to buy many games from them.
(Maybe i missed it)

Do you use steam to play said games because if you do you are already using a DRM system.

That's the thing, i don't use Steam, which is for me a DRM itself yes.
It's a DRM because you need to install their client on your PC to download/install any game.
I Buy my games on GOG, Humble Bundle or directly with devs on their website for example.
With these, you can download your game on their website directly. I would say, Humble Bundle is more "free" than GOG, because you don't even need to have an account to buy/downloads games, an email address only is required.

A guide to crowdfunding games and the risks involved, the Linux edition
By Liam Dawe, 28 January 2017 at 3:25 pm UTC Likes: 1

Quoting: spayder26So, TL;DR check if develover delivered a linux port of his previous work.
No, there's a lot more, read it. It' not even very long.

Does Dying Light's Linux to Linux multiplayer fail for you? Please confirm it here
By rkfg, 28 January 2017 at 3:12 pm UTC

It could have not been broken at all in the first place. For instance, I only tried to connect to strangers and who knows what NAT type they've been behind. The game doesn't seem to support revconnect so even if I wasn't behind ISP NAT they were and we couldn't connect.

Then, my ISP almost always provides an internal NATted IP but sometimes if I reconnect long enough (I wrote a script to automate that) I can get a WAN IP that's routable in the internet. Another point is that the port the game uses isn't clearly stated anywhere unlike most of the other games. All these factors may add up to what we had, the game wasn't playable in co-op.

Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By rustybroomhandle, 28 January 2017 at 2:54 pm UTC

Quoting: Guest1) you don’t know before buying if the game requires Steam or not.
2) you need a working Steam client to download the games (as opposed to a web browser). There is steamcmd too, that’s a second option, but it’s another closed-source non-standard tool.

Fair enough on #2, but for #1 I give you: http://steam.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

Shadow of Mordor patch released for Linux, fixes issue with NVIDIA cards and more
By GBee, 28 January 2017 at 2:32 pm UTC

Unfortunately following this update it crashes/exits on startup for me.

Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By 1xok, 28 January 2017 at 2:30 pm UTC

But suppose it is Hitman 2016, why is there no Mac port?

Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By Whitewolfe80, 28 January 2017 at 2:22 pm UTC Likes: 2

Quoting: rustybroomhandle
Quoting: Whitewolfe80No i mean the steam.api file that the game will not start with unless its there that would be copy protection well unless you happen to be using a "special" version possibly by codex

Totally optional for a developer to use. For example:

The game "Kelvin and the Infamous Machine" game directory contains only two files:

- infamous_machine.jar
- InfamousMachine.sh

You can copy the directory anywhere, and launch the .sh without Steam even being installed.

Most AAA games will likely use the DRM though.

It's even possible to build your game such that it'll use it (for Steam features) if present, or not use it if libsteam_api.so is not present.

It maybe optional but my point still stands on some level Steam is DRM (optional or not) if you want full DRM free software its GOG. I said years ago I was not happy that everything was going digital as i prefer to have the case and manual (not that there is much point anymore)

Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By rustybroomhandle, 28 January 2017 at 2:06 pm UTC Likes: 3

Quoting: Whitewolfe80No i mean the steam.api file that the game will not start with unless its there that would be copy protection well unless you happen to be using a "special" version possibly by codex

Totally optional for a developer to use. For example:

The game "Kelvin and the Infamous Machine" game directory contains only two files:

- infamous_machine.jar
- InfamousMachine.sh

You can copy the directory anywhere, and launch the .sh without Steam even being installed.

Most AAA games will likely use the DRM though.

It's even possible to build your game such that it'll use it (for Steam features) if present, or not use it if libsteam_api.so is not present.

Competition: Win a key for the metroidvania-style game King Lucas
By tuubi, 28 January 2017 at 1:34 pm UTC

I love all the helmet designs in these drawings. I think Mordrag's is just super hilarious. :)

The thing is, I've been to a couple of armoury museums and some of the actual designs were almost as funny. I can't find my own old photos from our visit to the Palace Armoury in Valletta, Malta right now, but I do remember having a chuckle at these.

Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By Whitewolfe80, 28 January 2017 at 1:31 pm UTC

Quoting: rustybroomhandle
Quoting: Whitewolfe80Do you use steam to play said games because if you do you are already using a DRM system.

Steam does have DRM that developers can use, but it's not a DRM system by default. My own game, as an example, after buying and downloading it via Steam, you can make a tarball of the game dir and send it to your grandmother and it will work fine.

If you consider the "buying and downloading" part of the process to be DRM, well then GoG is also DRM to you.

No i mean the steam.api file that the game will not start with unless its there that would be copy protection well unless you happen to be using a "special" version possibly by codex

Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By rustybroomhandle, 28 January 2017 at 1:30 pm UTC Likes: 8

Quoting: Whitewolfe80Do you use steam to play said games because if you do you are already using a DRM system.

Steam does have DRM that developers can use, but it's not a DRM system by default. My own game, as an example, after buying and downloading it via Steam, you can make a tarball of the game dir and send it to your grandmother and it will work fine.

If you consider the "buying and downloading" part of the process to be DRM, well then GoG is also DRM to you.

Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By Whitewolfe80, 28 January 2017 at 12:52 pm UTC

Quoting: Cyril
Quoting: Guest
Quoting: wolfyrionwell if you check the depots of HITMAN

https://steamdb.info/app/236870/depots/

MAC and Linux Depots are FULL of DATA :P

Yeah it's Hitman releasing on the 31st of Jan sounds like. Just keep in mind the always-online DRM that this game has or will probably have. If they don't remove it now or eventually I definitely won't be supporting this one sadly.

I'm not alone. I was wondering why Feral (and others) don't release a DRM-Free Build, i would like to buy many games from them.
(Maybe i missed it)

Do you use steam to play said games because if you do you are already using a DRM system.

It doesn't look like Homefront: The Revolution is going to come to Linux any time soon
By Whitewolfe80, 28 January 2017 at 12:36 pm UTC

Quoting: elbuglione
Quoting: mindplague
Quoting: elbuglione
Quoting: mindplagueIts okay. There will be others. Playing Dying Light with friends right now. Not the greatest port, but fun co-op game.

is fixed Multi-player on Linux+Linux client?

Dont know about Linux-Linux. I am playing with friends on the Windows platform and it works fine.
Linux-Windows clients has never a problem... the issue is (or was) exclusive from clients Linux-Linux coop:

can anyone confirm if this issue persist at this time?

As far as i know there is no real chance of that patch coming mainly due to cost and the publisher unwillingness to spend any to fix the linux port.

A guide to crowdfunding games and the risks involved, the Linux edition
By uraeus, 28 January 2017 at 12:36 pm UTC Likes: 3

I think if people look at crowdfunding as a version of pre-ordering then supporting a crowdfunded game does not makes sense. However if you look at it as 'Do I want to see this project that would otherwise not go forward happen bad enough to put some money into it and maybe it will succeed' then supporting crowdfunding campaigns make sense. I have personally supported probably 25 projects and due to doing some serious evaluation of each project I only had 4 of them go bad so far. I also never put in more than 15-20 dollars so that if the project fails I can write off the loss without regrets. But just before the crowdfunding tend to offer you a copy of the game as a reward don't start categorising this as 'buying' in your head, because if you do then of course it doesn't make sense.

A guide to crowdfunding games and the risks involved, the Linux edition
By scaine, 28 January 2017 at 12:35 pm UTC Likes: 2

Quoting: SolitaryI would also add a point when a game has Linux port as a stretch goal. They are basically making people risk pledging to reach the stretch goal. That means if you pledge too soon and the project won't reach the stretch goal you just pledged on a non-linux game. For example System Shock Remake did that, even though they eventually shown Linux demo, making ports as stretch goals does feel shady, because it's afterthought and bonus and those get cut first if problems happen.

Stay clear of stretch goals, definitely. They would be great if and only if you could pledge based on the stretch. So I pledge my £25, but we don't meet the stretch, but that's okay, my money isn't used.


This would also make platform-specific stretch goals much more sensible from the "other" side's point of view, that everyone pledging to a project after the initial goal is reached is now pledging to the stretch goal, whether they want it to or not - how many "Linux as a stretch goal" targets were met by Windows gamers, none of which cared about Linux, pledging to the project simply because they wanted in?

A guide to crowdfunding games and the risks involved, the Linux edition
By iskaputt, 28 January 2017 at 11:24 am UTC

Is there a legal basis for crowdfunding? I looked around a bit but couldn't find anything.

Say, how does it actually compare to classic VC? What are the rights and obligations of both the investor and the investee? I remember this, I think it was with Peter Molyneux, interview. It was said that just to reach the funding goal -- because it is all or nothing -- they started promising effectively BS. Where does "risk" end and intentional misinformation start?

Is it legally on the same level as a lottery? You throw some money in and maybe you get something? Because that's what it looks like to me. Just gambling.

I've been staying away from crowdfunding and will probably continue to do so.

Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By 1xok, 28 January 2017 at 11:18 am UTC

Quoting: morbiusIt's almost certainly Hitman, I'm afraid that game is not really my cup of tea. I'd really like Valiant Hearts: The Great War or something from Capcom or SquareEnix.

Hitman is from SquareEnix and Eidos Interactive. Both Linux friendly publishers. :)

I think it could actually be the current Hitman part. Similar to Deus: Ex. Wow.

These are not my favorite games either. But it is absolutely great to have such grandiose spectacles on Linux. Must have played in any case. Next year I will update my graphics card. These games look just great have a cool story and so on. They are like movies. It's all about this.

Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By morbius, 28 January 2017 at 11:06 am UTC

It's almost certainly Hitman, I'm afraid that game is not really my cup of tea. I'd really like Valiant Hearts: The Great War or something from Capcom or SquareEnix.

Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By 1xok, 28 January 2017 at 11:01 am UTC

This must have something to do with World War one or two:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Kremlin-Bic%C3%AAtre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_de_Bic%C3%AAtre

(You have to copy&paste the links)

Company of Heroes 2 and Verdun are already ported to Linux. What else is there and how does Maggie fit in? I'm not hoping now that they will port Battlefield 1. ;)

Maybe Company of Heroes 1? Would fit. I think it's is the first part of Company of Heroes. Maggie is a Baby. :)

I think it is wonderful, but I am surprised that such old games are ported. I've already purchased all of this via Humble Bundle. There was a strategy pack with Total War, Company of Heroes and Warhammer 40k. I bought it at that time only because of Total War and did not believe that the others will be ported. Is fantastic but is it worthwhile for the publisher and Feral? Most people have already bought these old classic games I think.

However, it makes Linux as a gaming platform much more attractive if someone can play such old titles naively. The one or the other Linux user has been around for a while. ;)

EDIT: Now I saw that it could be Hitman. Games from this publisher (Square Enix) have already be ported and they are top sellers. This makes more sense than Company of Heroes.

A guide to crowdfunding games and the risks involved, the Linux edition
By spayder26, 28 January 2017 at 10:49 am UTC Likes: 1

So, TL;DR check if develover delivered a linux port of his previous work.

Does Dying Light's Linux to Linux multiplayer fail for you? Please confirm it here
By rkfg, 28 January 2017 at 10:32 am UTC Likes: 1

Oh, I wanted to find some of these threads yesterday and completely forgot about it. So, it's official: the multiplayer in Dying Light WORKS at least between Linux and Linux, confirmed. Probably also works between Windows and Linux, a player joined me a couple of days ago and he was on Windows, I think.

Looks like you need to forward a bunch of ports as the game doesn't allocate its own port but instead seems to use Steam as a proxy. I couldn't find any "dying light port forwarding" answers in Google neither could I find an open port in netstat. It opens 20111/udp but on a random interface, so if you have VPNs it can listen on it instead of eth0. It puzzles me why they don't just go with 0.0.0.0. It's also not used for the game as I didn't forward it but my friend still connected just fine.

So, the only advice that helped me is forwarding the Steam ports, namely 27000-27050, udp. You also have to have an external WAN IP on your router, i.e. ISP NAT wouldn't allow connecting to you. I still can't join strangers (however, a stranger connected to me a while ago), even those who already play with someone. Probably they're using some sort of VPN like Tunngle and aren't available from the outside.

We plan to play through this game together, two on Linux, me being a host, and another one on Windows.

Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By wvstolzing, 28 January 2017 at 10:26 am UTC

Quoting: Asu
Quoting: wvstolzingAssassin's Creed Unity

Ubi porting a game to linux? Nonsense.
(I hope you're right tho lol...)
(ugh which is not true, just checked steam, they have 3 games on linux...)
(huh most weird experience today lol...)

Yeah, none of those are uplay games though. They also have several titles on GOG.com (Assassin's Creed 1 included), no uplay of course.

I'm not expecting any uplay titles on Linux, so I was just joking (since the infamous Sade was known to have been a patient in that hospital).

About AC: As 'games' they're mediocre at best; and as to story & writing they've jumped the shark many, many times over. But just for the environments, and the 'virtual tourism' they enable me to do, I absolutely love them.

Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By Sslaxx, 28 January 2017 at 10:25 am UTC

Hitman was being talked about last year... https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/hitman-looks-like-its-coming-to-steamos-linux.7384

So is it Hitman? Certainly a possibility, could well be the most logical one.

If pigs were to start flying and all kinds of things previously thought impossible happened and Zenimax started wholeheartedly supporting Linux... Well, if Skyrim came to Linux it'd be nice if it brought the CK with it.

Feral Interactive are teasing a new Linux port again
By ageres, 28 January 2017 at 7:45 am UTC

Maggie sucks a pacifier... Something French... Maybe a France-related game that sucks? But BioShock Infinite is already on Linux. Remember Me then?

A guide to crowdfunding games and the risks involved, the Linux edition
By redshift, 28 January 2017 at 7:06 am UTC

Were there any video game kickstarters that needed funding for a freeware release? Just curious, because it'd be more about art and not business.

A guide to crowdfunding games and the risks involved, the Linux edition
By Grifter, 28 January 2017 at 6:39 am UTC Likes: 1

Quoting: Kimyrielle
Quoting: AnxiousInfusionCrowd funding is no place for consumers. Consumers will have to wait until after the product comes to market.

Sorry, but that's complete rubbish. Crowd-funding was invented -specifically- as an alternative to venture capital or similar means of funding.

I dunno, it kind of sounds to me like your example proves his point, a venture capitalist, even if he is a regular joe on kickstarter is someone who is proactively investing in something, whereas a consumer is just waiting passively.

Maybe just a misunderstanding of terminology?

A guide to crowdfunding games and the risks involved, the Linux edition
By Solitary, 28 January 2017 at 5:53 am UTC Likes: 6

I would also add a point when a game has Linux port as a stretch goal. They are basically making people risk pledging to reach the stretch goal. That means if you pledge too soon and the project won't reach the stretch goal you just pledged on a non-linux game. For example System Shock Remake did that, even though they eventually shown Linux demo, making ports as stretch goals does feel shady, because it's afterthought and bonus and those get cut first if problems happen.

A guide to crowdfunding games and the risks involved, the Linux edition
By SuperTux, 28 January 2017 at 5:31 am UTC Likes: 1

Quoting: Kimyrielle
Quoting: AnxiousInfusion
Quoting: GuestNever have and never will do crowdfunding. Don't do pre-ordering either. Crowdfunding to me just makes no sense from the consumer's standpoint.

Crowd funding is no place for consumers. Consumers will have to wait until after the product comes to market.

Sorry, but that's complete rubbish. Crowd-funding was invented -specifically- as an alternative to venture capital or similar means of funding. Its very point is to allow regular customers to band together and fund projects that otherwise might not get funded by traditional means. People don't seem to get the idea that crowdfunding is nothing but small-scale venture capital funding. It involves risk. There is no guarantee that you will get anything back. And if you can't afford and/or stand the thought to lose your pledge then you need to stay away from it, indeed.
But for many of us, it has worked nicely and will continue to do so. As Liam's article pointed out, the art of crowdfunding from the customer's perspective is proper vetting. Telling projects with good chances of success apart from the doomed ones. That's really the gist of it.

Certainly an art and common sense to vetting, I have seen people leave comments during funding for a game, not believing it will succeed and stating they're backing another game as they believed it will be better and will succeed, yet ironically that failed to be true as the reverse happened, or at worst the game they backed ended up being severely delayed.

A guide to crowdfunding games and the risks involved, the Linux edition
By SuperTux, 28 January 2017 at 5:22 am UTC Likes: 2

Good article! I do wish to add one more thing to an early project, even if it does succeed and get released it may not be in the exact form described during funding and it may not actually be down to any wrong doing on part of the developer, rather what looks and sounds good on paper may not make it in either for financial reasons, or for purely gameplay reasons, maybe it looked and sounded good on paper, but when it came to actual testing it sucked. The earlier the stage of development the more likely I think it will be for it to evolve.