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btw unigine valley is cpu bottlenecked in places. the scene where it starts raining.
heaven isnt cpu bottlenecked at all if tesselation is enabled.

overall great benchmarks. thanks for sharing

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Quoting: liamdaweThe main issue I have with using the threaded flag is that it's an OpenGL only flag (unless you can do the same booster on Windows it's a little unfair).

It (some something similar) may already be on by default on Windows.

Interesting about you results is how close some of those are between low and ultra. This really stands out in the last two graphs. This demonstrates that something other than the gpu is limiting performance. When I see the frametime graphs in the video, I find them very 'messy'. I'm far from an expert in gpu rendering, but I can imagine that this game is very much cpu limited and that the reason why fps is so close is actually the multithreading option. This could then also be responsible for the highly varying frame times.

Maybe someone with more knowledge can add something smart here.

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Quoting: Mountain ManYour math isn't quite right. That should be 1,400,000 and 1,554,000, so the increase in Linux users was over 150,000, so even as flawed as the survey is, it's still showing steady growth for Linux.

Maths isn't exactly my thing, but unfortunately I think I'm right on this one: your figures would mean that 1.4 million is 2% of 7 million. 1,400,000 would be more like 14%.

Bear in mind that this is referring to the number of concurrent users on steam - not the number of accounts. I probably should have made that clearer. I'll have a look around for an original source for the total number of Steam users, and that will give us our true number of linux users, which may well be > 1 million.

I don't know if anyone trusts those though, as the accounts may be inactive, or one person may have set up several accoutns, or whatever.

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Quoting: autonomouseAccording to a chart in the comments section in Phoronix (https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/875653-valve-s-steam-survey-shows-linux-gaming-fall-to-one-of-the-lowest-levels-ever/page5) in February 2013, when our market share was ~2%, there were 7million active Steam users. Now, when we're at 0.84%, there are an estimated 18.5million users.

If those numbers are correct - and I haven't checked them, so please find an original source before anybody quotes this - then in 2013 there were 140,000 linux users and now there are 155,400 users.

So the userbase has gone up (by 15,400 users!), but it just hasn't kept in line with the number of Windows users, hence the lower percentage.

(7,000,000/100%) * 2.0% = 140,000
(18,500,000/100%) * 0.84% = 155,400

I haven't the time now to dig around to find out if those figures for the total concurrent number of steam users are correct, but even if they're not, please do remember that this is all relative (as is mentioned in the article).

Actually, maybe in future when referring to the steam survey, the headlines should quote the number of users, calculated in this way, rather then the percentage?

Your math isn't quite right. That should be 1,400,000 and 1,554,000, so the increase in Linux users was over 150,000, so even as flawed as the survey is, it's still showing steady growth for Linux.

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Quoting: ShmerlI think people should stop paying attention to this survey. It's not representative of the whole picture even for Steam itself.

I agree, the results are very misleading. Unfortunately, a lot of people do pay attention to it, including developers who sometimes cite the survey results as a reason to not support Linux.

I wish Valve would release their internal statistics some time because you know they have an exact count of how many people are using which operating system and how many people are dual booting (a practice I gave up months ago).

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I haven't gotten survey since last year somewhere.

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they sure are still working on it



also the latest update restored functionality through wine which is nice

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According to a chart in the comments section in Phoronix (https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/875653-valve-s-steam-survey-shows-linux-gaming-fall-to-one-of-the-lowest-levels-ever/page5) in February 2013, when our market share was ~2%, there were 7million active Steam users. Now, when we're at 0.84%, there are an estimated 18.5million users.

If those numbers are correct - and I haven't checked them, so please find an original source before anybody quotes this - then in 2013 there were 140,000 linux users and now there are 155,400 users.

So the userbase has gone up (by 15,400 users!), but it just hasn't kept in line with the number of Windows users, hence the lower percentage.

(7,000,000/100%) * 2.0% = 140,000
(18,500,000/100%) * 0.84% = 155,400

I haven't the time now to dig around to find out if those figures for the total concurrent number of steam users are correct, but even if they're not, please do remember that this is all relative (as is mentioned in the article).

Actually, maybe in future when referring to the steam survey, the headlines should quote the number of users, calculated in this way, rather then the percentage?

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Like many others, I am also only seeing surveys regularly the odd times I use Windows, whereas on my 4 Linux machines that I use all the time I almost never see a Steam survey. I assume, as somebody else mentioned this is a corporate decision by Valve, as it has been going on since the Steam-for-Linux service was launched. If it is for some marketing reasons, then I think it is rather disrespectful of their Linux users.

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Is it doom yet ?

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Quoting: c3224What to expect? "Ports" are bad, Steam client is bad, game developers are not fixing Linux related bugs, same as Valve developers, look at Valve github Issues, nothing important is getting fixed, I really dont understand your optimism guys. Some games mentioned by others have Denuvo protection, does it work on Linux?

There are much more ports than I'll ever be able to play. Even worse ports as like Shadow of Mordor are adequately implemented. I've not played for almost 15 years, cause I only use Linux since that time. A year ago I then started again and I'm really amazed. Yesterday I bought The Witcher2 for $2,99 on GOG. WOW!

I only have seen a few statistics about the sales revenue, but whenever something was published the Linux revenue was often significantly better than indicated by the total number of Linux players. Maybe because Linux players do not already have the Witcher2. ;)

Especially giant publisher like SEGA or Warner bring titles out for Linux. Why do they do if they pay more?

Ultimately I do not care. The Steam Controller is nice and works perfectly with many games on my large screen TV. Whenever I want, I can go back to my mouse, keyboard and monitor setup. I do not need Windows, consoles or something else. Games that do not run under Linux, I just do not play. There are 10 times more games for Linux now than I'll ever be able to play. That's the whole point.

Valve and the publishers I only can thank, because they spend so much money for us and port all these games for God's reward. ;)

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Just got the Hardware Survey!

...

On my laptop. Which is an ancient Core 2 Duo.

WELL NOW WE LOOK LIKE CHUMPS.

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I tried all day at work (bouncing off my internet server as a proxy using sshuttle) and could never get it to work.. I went home and logged in directly to gog and it just came up and said it had connected and showed all my games that it had found for the offer. So, I don't know if the proxy was an issue, but just throwing it out there in case anyone else has a similar setup..

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i dont remember when i got steam survey in linux last time. so every steam usage bla bla statistics welcomes as -1 in numbers to me.
and this survey should be an option in steam clients as ip restricted. so we can do it every month periodically. or valve stop bullshitting with this false survey. Do u really have to see how much linux gaming growth in numbers for a months or so ?
JUST BRİNG TOP TİER GAMES ON LİNUX. just like WOW LoL GW2 EVE GTA COD series. Look Android Linux.
its only 9 years old mobile system and has tons of games apps. cause it has good community and support. Go have a deal with GOOGLE and other "Developers" Give them vulkan edicatuons tutorials and any kind of support about making games which can easly run under Linux Steam OS Ubuntu or so.
So Make game developping and playing under Linux, interesting and Charming rather than waiting Linux gaming getting charming and interesting by self growing user populations. and so far cash monsters to come in playground just like EA UBİSOFT BLİZZARD. This wont never be in this way.

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What to expect? "Ports" are bad, Steam client is bad, game developers are not fixing Linux related bugs, same as Valve developers, look at Valve github Issues, nothing important is getting fixed, I really dont understand your optimism guys. Some games mentioned by others have Denuvo protection, does it work on Linux?

And do you count multi-accounts in your statistical hacking? I have like 5-6 accounts with games, after removing Steam from Linux they are not very active, but I can bet that increase in Steam active/inactive user base is because of smurf accounts, trading accounts, bot accounts, new accounts after ban-waves etc. and almost all of them are on Windows.

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Quoting: ziabiceFeral, can you please stop porting games I already own and played using WINE? Thank you!

Please bring us: Sleeping Dogs DE, Batman, Deus Ex: HR, Hitman, or whatever you already ported to Mac OS X that's not a RTS game that I don't own.

Cheers,
My wallet

maybe you can put the list of your games on advance, so they can work on it...

Or you could stop using wine and play things that are on linux already. My backlog of native linux games is longer that I would like already :)

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I wont be sending the survey when it pops up, but im installing windows for the first time in almost 10 years just for the vive...

:((

This sucks, and i will remove it as soon as i can, but...

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Same for me, i will wait for the next content update, should be Asimov. I feel i "finished" my game after about 10-12 hours, without any will to start another. I prefer Star Ruler 2, in my opinion a hidden gem.

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What I do not understand:
- Why this survey? Steam knows exactly when I play what I play and under what system I play, even if I'm using wine they can guess it.
- If there are really so few Linux gamers, why so many games are ported?
- The survey makes Linux look bad and thus harm Valves own interests. Why the are doing this?

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I got the survey yesterday without changing so much as a cable on my machine.

Quoting: peterp771Right now, lets be honest and say there's no reason for the average Windows user to switch to Linux.

Let's be even more honest and say that there will never be any reason for the average Windows user to install a different OS on their computer unless this new system provides a better - better - gaming platform than Windows. Equally good doesn't even cut it, it needs to be better. That's the problem.

Until we get better than Windows, we should hold the Mac share of 7-8% (isn't it?) as the big, shiny long term goal.

And to get there, a few things needs to be in place:

SteamOS. It needs to get out of beta and be production ready. They can't launch anything without that being in place. This is why the "Steambox launch" was so haf-assed last year: It's just not ready for it yet and Valve know it. So do the manufacturers.
With SteamOS on Steamboxes we may get a good handful of new users on our OS. Users that don't really care what's inside the box, they see the Steam logo and (hopefully) want one. That's easier than swaying Windows users over to Linux.

Virtual Reality: You can't offer a gaming platform without VR, not today, not now. Things may change in the longer run but for the next couple of years VR will be what people talk about. It's a requirement.

The games: When the above is in place the marketing can begin and the games will follow quickly. Remember how many devs who immediately jumped onto the wagon with a promised Linux version back when Valve talked about Steam Machines? The games will come.

But without the above we will continue hovering around the 1% and totally depend on the grace from Aspyr and a few others to bring over a selected few of the big titles to Linux.

That's the honest truth in this, as far as I can tell. And I don't see this as grounds for being totally chill and calm. It's no safe run, this. Not at this stage.

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Finally, I bought the game. It runs better than Dead Island original. It loads faster, I don't have framedrops. In two hours I was playing without problems. With original I have frecuent crashes to desktop and hangs. The framerate is lower, but it's normal. The new game have a better graphics, but it's more stable and this can be seen in the gameplay.

Probably in future we would see a performance patch, but I am reasonably satisfied with this reedition.

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There will probably be changes to this in valve time.
I dont really think this steam hardware is legit way to see linux user base.
I hardly use steam anymore.

Also steam dosnt track steam os users, and if they arent counted in with the linux user base,
do steam even count arch, fedora, opensuse and so on?
I know they count Linux users.

Last time I got a survay was almost a year ago.
And Iv been swaping os sence then.

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Yesterday, I was asked to participate in the Steam hwsurvey in my Windows Gaming VM (with QEMU/KVM and GTX 970 passthrough). They asked my only once for the hwsurvey on Linux for the whole time I use Steam. But if I boot up some of the old Windows partitions I haven't used for many months and launch steam, they ask me almost immediatly wheather I want to participate.
Like many other users, I think they are trying to push the Windows-percentages for whatever reason. Maybe they prepare the statistics for a boost as large as possible when the Steam Machines are brought to the masses.

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Feral, can you please stop porting games I already own and played using WINE? Thank you!

Please bring us: Sleeping Dogs DE, Batman, Deus Ex: HR, Hitman, or whatever you already ported to Mac OS X that's not a RTS game that I don't own.

Cheers,
My wallet

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No survey here & I have steam running every day, if they set it to pop up to every single user all at once instead of this haphazard way they do it now it might give us an accurate number, until they do this survey means absolutely nothing.

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Quoting: DePingusThanks for the quick response. Unfortunately, this didn't work. Steam shows the pre-order DLC is installed, but the game still doesn't see it. Just to see I started a new game, did the first mission, got to base, and checked the armory. I only have regular kevlar and the old war survivor soldier is not there. I think that rules out an issue with the save.

Mmm.. not heard of anyone else having this issue. I'd try purging the "~/.local/share/feral-interactive/XCOM2/" folder (make sure you keep a backup just in case) then allowing the game to reset and re-download save games from the Steam cloud.

If that doesn't work do email support however being a super rare issue (based on reports so far) trying to work out why your machine is playing up might not be a quick process if the standard methods don't work.

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QuoteDo not sort the InMemoryOrderModuleList by memory addresses (DOOM, Wine Bug #40623)

Does it mean DOOM now works? Or is it just fix for crash 1, 1000 pending?

Edit: Read the whole article, read about Denuvo, checked WineHQ DB, know the game used to work while being in alpha, so the game works, but Denuvo DRM does not. Question not valid anymore.

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I got the survey yesterday. But I do have steam enabled every day. But yes, its my fault. Didn't play too much last month.

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Quoting: ShmerlAlso, not sure why they didn't include it, but if you have Witcher 1 or Witcher 2 on Steam, you can get them on GOG any time using this page

Thanks a lot for the link; I had no idea.

Still waiting to connect, by the way. Apart from TW1 (haha!) I have just one eligible game (VVVVVV), but I still get the 'oops, something went wrong' error.

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Same here
"OOPS, SOMETHING WENT WRONG.

Please try again."

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