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Too bad they already lost me with Silk Song. I think the game is too tedious, too difficult, far too... much of the few things I didn't like about Hollow Knight (and which is still a game I adore). But Silk Song, it leaves the impression of being designed to torture the player with far too many unnecessarily difficult or even unfair parts.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyI'm not sure that is a better question, at least for what I was wondering about. You can run 32-bit Windows on 64-bit hardware, can you not? And quite a lot of the 32-bit Windows out there may be that case, and for that case my surmise applies.

Point is that if anyone has 64-bit hardware, all the above is a non issue. They were sitting under some rock if they were running 32-bit OS on it until today.

Does it matter if they were sitting under some rock? As long as they were fine with their setup, they could make documents, browse the web, play their games, they probably had no reason to care. This could well be a rock with plenty of people contentedly under it. The point is, now they'll be sitting under some rock without their games. That will push them to take some kind of action.

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Wishlisted. Not crazy about the art style but the gameplay loop looks interesting...and probably addictive.

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The Steam Deck, it's over, the notion,
The Steam Deck, it's over, you see,
The Steam Deck, it's over, emotion,
Oh, bring back my LCD to me.
Bring back,
Bring back,
Oh, bring back my Steam Deck to me, to me,
Bring back,
Bring back,
Oh, bring back my Steam Deck with-lcd-and-256gb-storage-inside to me.

😭

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whoa! Definitely keeping track of this for a 1.0 release. Gives off bigtime system shock vibes. Love it.

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyI'm not sure that is a better question, at least for what I was wondering about. You can run 32-bit Windows on 64-bit hardware, can you not? And quite a lot of the 32-bit Windows out there may be that case, and for that case my surmise applies.

Point is that if anyone has 64-bit hardware, all the above is a non issue. They were sitting under some rock if they were running 32-bit OS on it until today.

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Seems like it has Java Island and Javanese culture as its setting.
From Gunungan Wayang, traditional male Javanese clothing, jalur Pantura, and so on 🤔

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: Purple Library GuyI don't know how old Windows has to be to be 32-bit.

A better question is how old hardware has to be (x86) to be 32-bit only.

I'm not sure that is a better question, at least for what I was wondering about. You can run 32-bit Windows on 64-bit hardware, can you not? And quite a lot of the 32-bit Windows out there may be that case, and for that case my surmise applies.

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Quoting: Jarmerhuh I didn't even know Cinnamon was doing wayland at all. That's great to hear.

Yeah, a year or so ago I started hearing talk about Mint working on Wayland support. I don't think it can be considered ready yet in general though. I expect there will be bigger developments in 23.

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Quoting: ScottCarammellmy great grandkids are gonna LOVE the tribal stage

The space age will be a period piece when it releases~

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. . . Do you get to assassinate the landlord at the end?

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Quoting: KeksusThe game is cool. But I wish they would take the time to unify their art style. It's kinda weird that many factions follow a completely different art direction.

. . . Wouldn't it be normal for different factions arguably representing different cultures to have different art? But I expect there's good ways and bad ways to do that.

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Quoting: LoudTechieB. Proton doesn't seem to [use the WoW build](https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/449). This could be for backwards compatibility(reconfiguring all existing Wine prefixes without triggering anti-cheat blocks) and [OpenGL preformance](https://linuxiac.com/arch-linux-shifts-to-pure-wow64-builds-for-wine-and-wine-staging/).

Proton is often behind Wine with such features. Wine already fixed the issue with OpenGL performance.

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Quoting: tuubiThat's because your package is not a pure WOW64 build. That's up to the package maintainer. 32bit Windows software runs on 64bit (WOW64) Wine without 32bit libraries. You can keep claiming otherwise, but I'd rather you just looked into it if you don't want to believe a random person on a forum.

I guess Proton is using that?

So, a 64 bit Linux is starting a 32 bit Steam client is starting a 64 bit WOW-enabled Proton which might be starting a 32 bit Windows game?!?

I believe even the latest Proton only provides WOW64 as an option, alongside the traditional 32bit build and libraries. They're probably still launching 32bit Windows games in a 32bit Proton/Wine prefix by default. They're definitely doing that with Proton 9 and older.

All I'm saying that the tech is available if they want to go pure 64bit, assuming 32bit Wine is somehow the blocker.

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Quoting: LoudTechie

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Quoting: LoudTechie

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

By providing 64bit and 32bit libraries(a.k.a 64 and 32 bit wine).
Those 32bit libraries make it a 32bit client.

32bit libraries or wine binaries are not needed in WOW64 mode. That's the whole point. Although I suppose Steam will have to ship them for older Proton builds.

If I install Wine on 64bits system it requires me manipulate my repos to also allow installing 32 bit libraries and then it installs 32 bit wine libraries.
EDIT: If I want to run 32bit or 32 bit reliant software(its technically optional, but the 32 bit stuff won't work, just like vulcan integration is optional)

That's because your package is not a pure WOW64 build. That's up to the package maintainer. 32bit Windows software runs on 64bit (WOW64) Wine without 32bit libraries. You can keep claiming otherwise, but I'd rather you just looked into it if you don't want to believe a random person on a forum.

A. My excuses you were right about the WoW build and I also misunderstood your claim.(I thought WoW was just some creative abbreviation for wine.)
B. Proton doesn't seem to [use the WoW build](https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/449). This could be for backwards compatibility(reconfiguring all existing Wine prefixes without triggering anti-cheat blocks) and [OpenGL preformance](https://linuxiac.com/arch-linux-shifts-to-pure-wow64-builds-for-wine-and-wine-staging/).

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Quoting: tuubiThat's because your package is not a pure WOW64 build. That's up to the package maintainer. 32bit Windows software runs on 64bit (WOW64) Wine without 32bit libraries. You can keep claiming otherwise, but I'd rather you just looked into it if you don't want to believe a random person on a forum.

I guess Proton is using that?

So, a 64 bit Linux is starting a 32 bit Steam client is starting a 64 bit WOW-enabled Proton which might be starting a 32 bit Windows game?!?

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Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: LoudTechie

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

By providing 64bit and 32bit libraries(a.k.a 64 and 32 bit wine).
Those 32bit libraries make it a 32bit client.

32bit libraries or wine binaries are not needed in WOW64 mode. That's the whole point. Although I suppose Steam will have to ship them for older Proton builds.

If I install Wine on 64bits system it requires me manipulate my repos to also allow installing 32 bit libraries and then it installs 32 bit wine libraries.
EDIT: If I want to run 32bit or 32 bit reliant software(its technically optional, but the 32 bit stuff won't work, just like vulcan integration is optional)

That's because your package is not a pure WOW64 build. That's up to the package maintainer. 32bit Windows software runs on 64bit (WOW64) Wine without 32bit libraries. You can keep claiming otherwise, but I'd rather you just looked into it if you don't want to believe a random person on a forum.

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huh I didn't even know Cinnamon was doing wayland at all. That's great to hear.

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Nice! I was really grabbed by this with the first demo.

Probably going to skip the second and just wait for the full release.

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my great grandkids are gonna LOVE the tribal stage

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The game is cool. But I wish they would take the time to unify their art style. It's kinda weird that many factions follow a completely different art direction.

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Quoting: NonjuffoValve probably ran out of stock on the old APU and it's more cost effective to just concentrate on the newer 6nm one.

This.
It has been deprecated for a long time they were just selling old stock.

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Quoting: ShmerlMore likely someone running 32-bit Windows is doing it on x86_64 capable hardware, due to some historic incorrect installation. So they can as well install a normal 64-bit Linux there.

Windows doesn't upgrade OS arch during major upgrades ie. Windows 7 to 10. And Windows 7's 32 bits version has been more popular than 64 bits version, so if someone upgraded from Win 7 to 10 (with 8 or 8.1 in between, doesn't matter) they will end up with 32 bits Windows 10. That can be a good thing if the user as ancient 16 bits applications as only 32 bit Windows can run them.

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Quoting: LoudTechie

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

By providing 64bit and 32bit libraries(a.k.a 64 and 32 bit wine).
Those 32bit libraries make it a 32bit client.

32bit libraries or wine binaries are not needed in WOW64 mode. That's the whole point. Although I suppose Steam will have to ship them for older Proton builds.

If I install Wine on 64bits system it requires me manipulate my repos to also allow installing 32 bit libraries and then it installs 32 bit wine libraries.
EDIT: If I want to run 32bit or 32 bit reliant software(its technically optional, but the 32 bit stuff won't work, just like vulcan integration is optional)

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Valve probably ran out of stock on the old APU and it's more cost effective to just concentrate on the newer 6nm one.

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I think I paid $320 a while ago, was a great modding unit. The LCD version will always have a spot in my ❤️

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyI don't know how old Windows has to be to be 32-bit.

A better question is how old hardware has to be (x86) to be 32-bit only. AMD stopped making 32-bit processors by early 2000s and Intel shortly after. So I'd say it has to be very old by now. I guess if anyone has such hardware, they could indeed run some 32-bit Linux, but gaming would be the least of their concerns really. I think most distros by now are dropping 32-bit flavors for good, even Debian.

More likely someone running 32-bit Windows is doing it on x86_64 capable hardware, due to some historic incorrect installation. So they can as well install a normal 64-bit Linux there.

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Let's be honest: with RAM prices so crazy, it's almost impossible to manufacture this unit at a profit. And if SSD prices start to rise too, it could have serious consequences, even leading to the postponement of the Steam Machine. But I don't want to paint a bleak picture.

In any case, Valve would be better off using its RAM reservation for the Steam Machine and the Frame rather than for the now outdated LCD Steam Deck.

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Systems running 32-bit versions of Windows will continue receiving updates to the 32-bit Steam client until January 1, 2026.

I don't know how old Windows has to be to be 32-bit. But assume for a moment that there are some people actually gaming on 32-bit Windows, presumably on relatively old computers. After Jan 1, they can't any more. If they want to keep gaming, they have to upgrade to something.

So, what do they upgrade to? They can't upgrade to Win 11, it won't run on their hardware. Probably, most Windows newer than whatever they're using will have problems on their hardware, if they know how to pirate it because MS sure isn't selling the old versions. Also, won't get security updates, but presumably they don't care much about that since they obviously haven't had any for years.

But Linux would run on their hardware. And they'd even get security updates and stuff. If they want to keep gaming that's probably their best and even easiest option.

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Quoting: LoudTechie

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

By providing 64bit and 32bit libraries(a.k.a 64 and 32 bit wine).
Those 32bit libraries make it a 32bit client.

32bit libraries or wine binaries are not needed in WOW64 mode. That's the whole point. Although I suppose Steam will have to ship them for older Proton builds.

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