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Quoting: Jarmer

Quoting: XpanderWhat distros are dropping X11 support? there are still things that dont work on wayland some people require, so i doubt X will go anywhere soon. If that time comes we will see.

All of them...

Fedora
Ubuntu
Opensuse
Popos
Mint
Gnome (I know not a distro, it's a de, but still relevent) is fully wayland only, no x at all.
^ this is just off the top of my head, I could look up more, but it's pretty much all the major parent distros.

I'm sure you can add X back in to some of these if you want, but that's not the point. X will of course still be used by the legacy people, but every day that passes that percentage will go down and down until there's a stable like 0.1% or something.

Technically, isn't it the desktop environments that are adding Wayland support, not the distros?

However, adding Wayland support does not equal removing Xorg support. The Mint team, for example is adding Wayland support to the Cinnamon desktop. They are not, however, removing Xorg support. KDE is shipping Plasma with Wayland enabled, but they have not completely removed Xorg support either. XFCE is in the alpha stages for Wayland, but they always move slowly.

I can't speak to Gnome, Cosmic or Budgie. Haven't been following them as closely. I will admit that I have heard that Fedora and Ubuntu intend to ship with Wayland as default but that does not mean that they are dropping Xorg, just that they are favoring Wayland -- likely because their DE of choice is also doing so.

That being said, one of my laptops has a Kepler GPU. As long as I remain on the proprietary driver, I will never be able to use Wayland on that laptop. Many users of legacy Nvidia hardware will be in the same state. If only Nvidia would let the open-source community take over full management of their legacy GPU drivers instead of hording tech secrets on what they consider to be defunct hardware. If Nvidia thinks they will force legacy hardware enthusiasts to buy their new GPUs by denying us support, then they are truly clueless...

Go NVK!

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Vive la révolution, obviously.

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Same group that sued Valve back in 2019 on the subject of Steam not allowing transferring accounts or selling individual games, by the way.

While UFC-Que Choisir won the initial trial, Valve won the appeal, and the Cour de cassation (the French equivalent to the US' Supreme Court) upheld the appeal's ruling.

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[Tethering a product or program means designing it with features that can function only through communication with a restricted set of servers, through a protocol that you could not make your own server speak. That is always an injustice since it means you can't use the program without one of these servers. It is also a secondary injustice if you can't communicate with the servers in another way.

In some cases, tethering is used to do specific nasty things to the users.](https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/proprietary-tethers.html)

Funny enough, there is an entry on that page for 2024-11: "Ubisoft is facing a fraud lawsuit for shutting down the proprietary video game The Crew..."

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Hope the consumer group wins. That's what Ubislop deserves.

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I'm 106 years old horse 🥰

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Thanks for showing the game, I might have missed it otherwise and it looks really cool. Just backed it!

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Some, not informed about those incidents, might take your initial comment to be overly emotional or even inflammatory.

The initial comment assumed that people knew what the big tent referred to, but the follow up post was the least-emotional, least-inflammatory take I've ever seen on the subject of DHH. There's even a link to the "big tent" reference that Framework made. It's concise and factual. We're all grown ups here, I think, so we can up our own minds whether we like the idea of Framework welcoming such individuals into their patronage.

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Really loving this 🤣:

Lots of cosmetic improvements (so the game plays as you remember it, not as it actually played).

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^
Sigh, I guess I'll have a tough time ahead of me, since I do need X11 for my Steam Controller mouse support.

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Gamepad support is currently not implemented.

I hope it will be. I would love to try this out on the steam deck.

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Quoting: M@GOidWhile I applaud the effort in bringing some innovation in gaming, I don't know if this is for me. I already had to do the walk of shame to YT, in search of solutions for some stages of Portal and The Talos Principle. I think this one may be too much for me, since they are stating the thing will be tough.

I literally needed several days for one room of Portal Stories: MEL (original/hard mode) - which is what makes me remember this game!

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Quoting: EWG

Quoting: Durandalsupported an unapologetic white supremacist..

I would very much like to see examples of this. That's a horrible thing. From anything I've seen, nothing has directly been the offenders words.

He's been vocal on his opinions on social media, so finding things "in his own words" shouldn't be too hard.

There's plenty of articles summarizing it, such as this.
https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thought/

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Quoting: XpanderWhat distros are dropping X11 support? there are still things that dont work on wayland some people require, so i doubt X will go anywhere soon. If that time comes we will see.

All of them...

Fedora
Ubuntu
Opensuse
Popos
Mint
Gnome (I know not a distro, it's a de, but still relevent) is fully wayland only, no x at all.
^ this is just off the top of my head, I could look up more, but it's pretty much all the major parent distros.

I'm sure you can add X back in to some of these if you want, but that's not the point. X will of course still be used by the legacy people, but every day that passes that percentage will go down and down until there's a stable like 0.1% or something.

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Quoting: Jarmerhuh interesting. I thought these old heretic / hexen games all ran on the doom engine.

Heretic 1 and Hexen 1 do. Heretic 2 and Hexen 2 run on id Tech 2.

edit: I might need to replay Heretic 2 with this... 😆

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Quoting: EhvisI ran it for some time a good while back. Too many issues with compositor with only good old "compiz" really doing everything I needed it to do. But that too degraded over time until I just had to leave it. It always felt like they did not just stick to traditional desktop paradigms, but stuck with old tech as well. How is it doing with Wayland?

theres picom option these days (MATEs own software rendering compositor is bad yeah). But i personally don't care or use compositor at all. Snappy and responsive desktop without any fluff animations is what i value more.

Quoting: JarmerMate itself is still stuck on x isn't it? With all the distros dropping x and going wayland only, if mate doesn't migrate to full wayland support as cinnamon is doing, will it even have a future at all?

there is experimental wayland support also but it's very basic and broken.

What distros are dropping X11 support? there are still things that dont work on wayland some people require, so i doubt X will go anywhere soon. If that time comes we will see.

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Quoting: mr-victory

Quoting: Liam DaweExtraction shooters live and die by their end game a lot of the time.

I'll admit I didn't know that.

In something like THE FINALS or CoD, you're just jumping into rounds trying to be the best, trying to score as many kills as you can or against objectives. Those targets keep the fun, and keep you playing. An extraction shooter has basically none of that. Once you've unlocked everything, and got all the blueprints there's not much left. Don't get me wrong, the gameplay in ARC Raiders is excellent - but it needs something once you've finished the main bits to keep you looping.

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Quoting: Liam DaweExtraction shooters live and die by their end game a lot of the time.

I'll admit I didn't know that.

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Quoting: mr-victory

The biggest problem for ARC Raiders still remains though - there's basically no end-game to it. Once you've unlocked all the blueprints and played a fair bit of it, there's not much that actually keeps you going. Apart from the fun factor of course

Is this really a problem though? If you could "beat" the game would you still want to play it after beating it? I'm saying this as someone with 160h on Embark's other game which is pvp and naturally doesn't have an end game, just new rewards with every season (3.5 months)

Yeah, here it does matter. It is a *very* different game to THE FINALS or any other CoD-like. Extraction shooters live and die by their end game a lot of the time. It is a problem here, and something that has been pointed out to them a lot of times recently.

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Quoting: mr-victoryIs this really a problem though? If you could "beat" the game would you still want to play it after beating it? I'm saying this as someone with 160h on Embark's other game which is pvp and naturally doesn't have an end game, just new rewards with every season (3.5 months)

For me, yes. Last I played was up until they added the bird event on Buried City… got all lvl 3 workbenches, tons of blueprints, and the quests that the Speranza NPCs were giving me were starting to become very repetitive and way behind my characters power level (many epic gun blueprints, almost all good grenades, and I get “kill a Leaper” 60h in). I wish there was a more structured quest line so I have something to grind towards. This is coming from the perspective of a mainly friendly solo player, by the way. Multiplayer with friends is still fun but ruins my “trust factor” :)

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Mate itself is still stuck on x isn't it? With all the distros dropping x and going wayland only, if mate doesn't migrate to full wayland support as cinnamon is doing, will it even have a future at all?

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huh interesting. I thought these old heretic / hexen games all ran on the doom engine.

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does it help if i play demo on linux or not? is developer getting stats on platform the demo was played? does anyone know?

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While I applaud the effort in bringing some innovation in gaming, I don't know if this is for me. I already had to do the walk of shame to YT, in search of solutions for some stages of Portal and The Talos Principle. I think this one may be too much for me, since they are stating the thing will be tough.

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To me GoW is what Konami's Contra should have turned into when 3D/polygonal games started to dominate gaming in the late 1990's. Instead they released a series of so-so games that never made the same impact the early ones did.

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The biggest problem for ARC Raiders still remains though - there's basically no end-game to it. Once you've unlocked all the blueprints and played a fair bit of it, there's not much that actually keeps you going. Apart from the fun factor of course

Is this really a problem though? If you could "beat" the game would you still want to play it after beating it? I'm saying this as someone with 160h on Embark's other game which is pvp and naturally doesn't have an end game, just new rewards with every season (3.5 months)

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I ran it for some time a good while back. Too many issues with compositor with only good old "compiz" really doing everything I needed it to do. But that too degraded over time until I just had to leave it. It always felt like they did not just stick to traditional desktop paradigms, but stuck with old tech as well. How is it doing with Wayland?

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First we lost physical contact with people and replaced it with virtual one, now we're losing virtual contact with people and replacing it with AI interactions. GG humanity!

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Quoting: Durandal

Quoting: mr-victory

Quoting: DurandalThat said. Fuck Framework and their “big tent”.

Huh? What did I miss?

TL;DR they promoted and supported an unapologetic white supremacist... when they were called out on it they said they use a "big tent" and don't pick sides.

https://itsfoss.com/news/framework-hyprland-sponsorship/

Some, not informed about those incidents, might take your initial comment to be overly emotional or even inflammatory. I believe all emotions serve a function, at least internally. How and when to express them is... a complex skill.

That said, I too, believe in the [paradox of tolerance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance) - that intolerance should not be tolerated. Free speech only so far as it doesn't limit the speech of others. Hate speech takes away the ability of weaker participants to have a say at all. Initially by taking away their safety, and if unchecked, actually injuring and killing the oppressed group.

And thereby Framework (according to this philosophy) is in fact promoting the domination of intolerance by not suppressing it.

I do get where people on the other side of this are coming from - suppressing any speech feels uncomfortable, intolerant, and wrong. But I wouldn't expect anyone on their own, especially engineers without an interest in the humanities, to evolve to such heights in political philosophy. In a proverbial trolley problem, most people would not pull the lever to kill (partially the free speech of) one to save fifty.

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Quoting: PhlebiacWhat's the attraction of MATE over Cinnamon or current GNOME with classic-look extensions? Serious question, not trying to start any desktop wars.

I'm using MATE on arch. The attraction for me is that the thing just works without breakages or problems. I know exactly how it behaves from years of using it and it does exactly what i need it to do without any problems.

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