Yeah, whatever happened to Vive and Linux...? Not a word... Not a thing. :(

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Quoting: BTRENo, it's still a complete game. Calling it otherwise assumes that content was ripped away which has no substantiation in reality at all.

That's a bold claim. Very bold. Unless you're part of the project and knows. Cause yeah, that's what I assume. I assume the features in EW was designed and implemented all along the development process of the main game, with the intention of being included in a DLC, but developed along the way and could - if they so chose - have been included on release day.

There even was empty room in the user interface for the new features, especially the smaller ones regarding administrating/equipping your soldiers. It became so obvious to me when I installed the DLC and everything magically fitted straight into the game like hand in a glove.

I don't know this of course. Can't prove anything. But the content looked very, very held back for DLC purposes.
And quite frankly, from a developer perspective - it pretty obviously is.

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Quoting: GuestIt is a full game without any DLCs.

It's a working game without, but did you play Xcom (1) before and after the Enemy Within DLC? There was every reason to wait until after EW to play it, to get the full Xcom experience. And starting the campaign all over again midway because of this was bloody annoying.

So I agree with SwiftPaw, unfortunately this franchise delivers the game in chunks for us to stich together before playing it like it was meant to be.

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There's nothing wrong in buying a console to a 4 year old, "Crazy Penguin". My 4 years old daughter is already an experienced Lego Online gamer, and just recently I purchased Lego Marvel Superheroes to her for the PS3.

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Quoting: bingus

QuoteThe Steam Linux client and the games that have ported may be all we end up left with - which is a lot! But it's not a future very bright for Steam Machines.

I clicked like because I agree with what you're saying. But it made me sad inside :(

I think this is too pessimistic. It's not like Valve will drop the project anytime soon. That's not how they roll.

It's just that so many of us are so restless about seeing some progress, we want it out there, and we want it now. But yeah, by the looks of it we will have this exact same discussion in a years time.

Meanwhile, let's treasure the releases that do hit our shores!

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Quoting: dmantioneWhy do you call these big productions? Why are the games I named not big productions?

Because they are not. Kerbal is, as far as I am aware, made by a small handful of persons in Mexico. Ubisoft Montreal, who make the Assassins Creed games, have a staff of near three THOUSAND employees - of whom many hundred works on this franchise every year. Sledgehammer, who are one of *three* developers who make the Call Of Duty games, are three hundred employees, spending three years on each of their COD installments.
That's the difference between a small indie game like Kerbal and a major AAA release like Star Citizen or Elite (to mention two other examples of (primarily) PC-games).

This is what the mass market want. They want the big hitters. The games you see marketed on billboards, TV, the games thousands play on Twitch, the games where tournaments are held and big events arranged. That's the AAA world. And Kerbal or Cities are not part of that world. Not even that universe.

Quoting: dmantioneI only difference I can pinpoint is that you are naming typical console games that are ported to PC afterwards.

If that really is the only difference you can see between Kerbal Space Program and, say, Fallout 4 then I must kindly and respectfully ask you to take off your fan-glasses and take a closer look.

But sadly, yeah, most of the AAA games are developed for consoles first, because that's such a huge share of the market. They need millions sold copies to even break even with their productions. They need to make sure their games works on consoles. It's how things are. :(

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Quoting: PublicNuisanceCall me a elitist, a purist, etc but I have zero sympathy for those who get duped into buying prebuilt systems. Prebuilt systems, whether Steam Machine, Windows, Mac or consoles are always either overpriced or pieces of crap with trash components. If you want the most out of your investment then you better build it yourself or find someone who can. I for one don't care if Valve correct this or not. People should be putting in more research into what they are spending their hard earned cash on. If they don't they have no one to blame but themselves.

Disagreed. A PS4 with a full system, all cables and a controller costs less than what you'd give for just a graphics card in your homebuilt rig, before you even got a motherboard to run the game on. With that system you can play all new games flawlessly for years to come, hardly a hickup, on a system that does what it should all the time. I'd not call that a bad deal for someone who just want to play games.

Everyone who see things differently than you are not therefore idiots. It's about perspective and priorities.

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Quoting: dmantioneThis is also very much has to do with what people perceive. People complain about games like GTA and Skyrim not available on Linux, but apparently it is no problem that XCOM2, Kerbal Space program, or Cities: Skylines are not available on the Playstation 4. (Yes, KSP is planned, but we are playing it for years now on Linux). And these are serious, big games, that you can justify to call AAA.

Do we need more AAA games? Definately. Is the situation as bad as people make it? No, the situation is quite good actually compared to most platforms.

No, sorry, but it's not. Compared to the console and windows gaming platforms we are way, waaaaaay off even being a slightly realistic alternative for an average "serious" gamer.

Kerbal is not AAA. not even Cities are. AAA are the major releases from the big ones; Bioware, EA, Ubisoft, Rockstar, Blizzard & co with franchises like Assassins Creed, Call Of Duty, Battefront, Mass Effect, Overwatch, The Division, Fallout, GTA, The Witcher, Bioshock, Uncharted, Far Cry and so forth. The big productions.

And the problem is: It's not enough with just one or two of the absolute top tier releases. A gamer want them all. On release day. Not a day later. He can miss out on maybe one or two due to exclusivity, but no way he'll go for a platform that only can offer one or two of ten major releases. And one billion indie releases can not make up for that; they don't count at all.

So we are so, so far behind being a player in that market yet. I believe this is exactly why Valve hasn't pushed SteamOS: It's not ready for the mass market. You only got one chance to make a first impression.

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Totally, 100% agree with everything that's said here. IMO this is all just common sense, logic.

It seems they have no plan for this. It's really frustrating to sit still and watch.

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Swiftpaw,
Legit argument against the bl dlcs. Personally I enjoy those games so much that I do the lower level dlcs on second playthrough or with a lower level character, but yeah if you're only going to play the game once I hear ya.

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