Man. Didn't realize Budgies were so hard to take care of.

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Quoting: KuJoSo you're saying that calling a game "Early Access" for 8 years and being in an alpha stage (so not even a beta stage!) for 8 years is "normal"?

No, I'm saying what I said. Maybe try reading it. It was a more wide-ranging comment on the continued relevance, or lack thereof, of the whole concept of "alpha" and "beta" given current approaches to game distribution and maintenance.

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Quoting: whizseI actually bought and played I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream just a couple of weeks ago. Could have waited saved a couple of bucks... Anyhow, not too bad a game, but also not as scary as I hoped it would be.

The sequel I Have No Mouth And I Must Eat Ice Cream sounds so much more frightening!

Rare you see a sequel so well integrated with the original. I mean, they go together so naturally: I must scream, you must scream, we all must scream for ice cream!

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Merry Christmas to all, and to all some good games!

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Cisco? What's he going to do, save networking from the evil Huawei?

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Quoting: KuJo

Quoting: Purple Library GuyI think there's kind of a key difference there, in that you couldn't play Duke Nukem Forever while it was in development.

I was more concerned with the development time.
However, I don't think the term "alpha" is right for this version either:
Alpha:

Alpha is the stage when key gameplay functionality is implemented, and assets are partially finished.[157] A game in alpha is feature complete, that is, game is playable and contains all the major features.[158] These features may be further revised based on testing and feedback.[157] Additional small, new features may be added, similarly planned, but unimplemented features may be dropped.[158] Programmers focus mainly on finishing the codebase, rather than implementing additions.

-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_development [External Link]

New features and functions are still and always being added to 7dtd. You can't even begin to talk about a "feature complete".Although they have already reached Alpha 20 (!!!!)! Do they even intend to be finished sometime?

Come to think of it, modern games don't really work with that whole model. For a lot of games, there really is no alpha/beta/complete because there are always new features being added after "completion", making it unclear just what "complete" even means for them. As a result, a game can be in a condition you might think of as done or late beta in terms of polish, assets and so forth, but major new features are still being implemented.

Actually, that's true of most open source software as well. You might say the whole alpha/beta/shipped paradigm is tied to the dominance of physical media: It's important if you're going to be pressing the software on DVDs and sending it off to stores. You have to define a finished product to ship, and efforts and stages have to be defined around that end goal. If it's distributed digitally and can be updated automatically on an ongoing basis, the whole concept gets a lot less relevant, or at least a lot less necessary.

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Quoting: Mar2ck

Quoting: Whitewolfe80

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80For me I refunded this it's DHL the simulator your a courier in a fucked Kojima world. It's basically a real life job as you amble from place to place in real time. I got so bored I actually complied a kernel on laptop to pass the time. But am not the biggest fan of kojima work

Interesting. You could not have seen much of the game in the <2 hours you must have played. And about the game being a courier game where you walk a lot - you would have known this already before purchasing.

Yes but youre a courier in New Vegas the difference is that game is interesting.

In New Vegas being a courier is a an excuse to go on a journey, you don't actually do any couriering. The experiance of walking from point A to B is basically just holding W the whole time while following a waypoint. Death Stranding is explicitly about doing deliveries in a gameplay sense and the act of traversing the world is fun and challenging in and of itself. It's way closer to Euro Truck Simulator in that sense then a game like Fallout.

That is actually true, but Whitewolfe80's point was that both represent themselves as being about couriers, hence it was not foolish to buy the game just because it was about being a courier--it could still have been a game that suited his taste.

For me it's more the reverse--it sounds like I might enjoy this, but I almost certainly wouldn't have been any good at New Vegas.

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Quoting: EikeSomebody at the Steam announcement mentioned that 35 people seems quite a big team for an indie game...

To be honest, that was my gut reaction.

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Quoting: KuJoI've also had a lot of fun with the game. But, let's be honest: Now already 8 years in development and still an Alpha and "Early" Access?

Will it be the next Duke Nukem Forever (15 years in development)? ;)

I think there's kind of a key difference there, in that you couldn't play Duke Nukem Forever while it was in development.

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Let's see, what have I been playing? Old stuff mostly. Like Civ V, even occasionally Master of Orion 2 to relax. Um, Stellaris, Graveyard Keeper, Slay the Spire.

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