Quoting: BeamboomWhere do you get this from? Do you use Steam yourself? You can take as many backups of your game binaries as you like, just copy the data directories to an external disk.

Did you read the thread above? Feral games won't work if you do that. How is that not aimed at preventing back ups? Your option is only to find a game with DRM removed, or remove it yourself if you intend to back it up.

Quoting: BeamboomWhy do you write this? This it just fanatic gibberish that only works when you preach to the choir! DRM is an anti PIRACY feature

Nope, it isn't. It's anti-user feature. Think it through yourself, it's not a hard use case. Pirate will go and get the game from torrents with DRM removed (by some other more expert pirates). So DRM has no relevance to that pirate. Normal customer will buy the game with DRM, and will be bugged by not being able to back it up. So who is affected by it? You guessed, the paying user. Ergo, DRM is anti-user feature.

What's gibberish is claiming that DRM is there to prevent piracy.

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Quoting: Beamboomhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/user-friendly

QuoteIf something, especially something related to a computer, is user-friendly, it is simple for people to use:

DRM is aimed at making backups impossible or a hindrance (you need to break DRM first). So DRM isn't user friendly. It's kind of self explanatory, since DRM is an anti-user feature.

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Quoting: GuestWhat reasons might they be? If you're unwilling to discuss that, or put forward any ideas,

I find it futile to put out ideas for a stone wall. Again, who do you propose to discuss it with? Feral show zero interest in it. You only suggested what the problems could be (Steamworks lock-in and the like). Sure, these are solvable, but it's pointless if those who have those problems don't want to solve them.

May be Feral read these discussions, may be not - we get zero feedback and only answers like "ask us". We did, but that didn't do anything. Since they don't explain what their exact issues are, suggesting them how to solve them is going to be wasting their time as well as ours, indirectly it also shows that they don't want such suggestions or don't want to solve it to begin with.

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Quoting: GuestThey've stated GOG wasn't viable for them. And no, just because they want something on GOG doesn't mean GOG will accept it, so it quite literally cannot be entirely up to Feral.

GOG said as much, that it wasn't a problem on their end. GOG "isn't viable", but I don't see anything else that's viable (no DRM-free releases anywhere). Without all the euphemistic wording, it means they don't want to release in DRM-free fashion, because reasons.

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Quoting: GuestThese are the sorts of the questions that should be asked, should be discussed.

With whom exactly? Feral don't care to discuss it, they dodge this topic with "ask us if you want it" kind of stonewalling. It makes sense to discuss it with developers who actually have practical difficulties and are looking for ways to solve them. Feral isn't the case.

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Quoting: GuestYou are also stating it to be an issue with Feral, which is also bogus, as has been repeated before.

Whose issue is it then? The excuse of original publishers is not applicable in this case. And no need to pull it out of thin air, when Feral explicitly communicated more than once, that it's up to them to decide such things.

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Quoting: GuestBecause no, we don't agree, and you know it.

I don't see how we don't agree. You just said yourself that Feral don't want to spend resources on DRM-free releases anywhere, not just on GOG. So what does it matter then, if agreements with GOG had some bumps, if it's an issue with Feral to begin with? So no need for demagoguery, it's not helping the conversation.

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Quoting: GuestAnd I already answered _that_.

Saying that Feral don't want to do DRM-free release (anywhere). So we agree. Going around with excuses about their technical debt (like splitting out Steamworks lock-in) doesn't change the above fact. Feral are the bottleneck here and not GOG or anyone else.

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Quoting: GuestAlso, take off the Feral blinders. It's not an excuse for Feral. It's a possible explanation for the situation between Feral _and_ GOG. Don't forget the GOG part in there. It's quite simply not up to Feral alone - it is a business deal between two parties, and it may not be adequate for the needs of one or the other. Before you try, no, that can have absolutely nothing, I repeat _nothing_, to do with DRM. As I, and others, have already explained.

I already answered that. If you claim it's a specific issue between GOG and Feral, where is their DRM-free release elsewhere? You mentioned itch. I didn't see Xcom from Feral DRM-free there. So the issue is not just with GOG, but with Feral themselves.

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Quoting: GuestIt's obviously not worth it for Feral to put this on GOG. That's all that can be taken from this. And it's not the first time I've seen that from a developer, even on Windows.

Again, this is an excuse you are producing for Feral, and I don't buy this excuse. Because of many reasons explained above, including GOG not being the only DRM-free release option. Sure, it's not the first time we've seen it, so Feral can be criticized for it, same as others.

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