Sudden Strike 4 looks like an amazing RTS that will have Linux support

Quoting: slaapliedjeOf course they state that. It is MUCH easier to say SteamOS, than it is to say Debian/Ubuntu/Arch/Fedora/OpenSuSE/etc...

Nice word equilibristics, my friend! I did not say "Debian/Ubuntu/Arch/Fedora/OpenSuSE/etc". I said Linux.

Quoting: slaapliedjeConsidering the fact that all of the closed source bits are written for Linux userland in mind...

Do you have an insider in Valve? Why do you assume that?

Quoting: slaapliedjedo you really think at this stage they would switch to a BSD kernel and have to run it with the Linux compatibility layer?

Especially network/multiplayer games. You know, the ones that can't play against Mac users because of some of the platform specific differences?

I don't care about Mac at all and current incompatibilities are probably due to MacOS problems. And yes, I do think a switch is entirely possible. Maybe not now, but definitely along the road, when Valve feel confident enough.

Valve already Embraced Linux ecosystem and now is in the process of Extending it with its closed-source locked-in Steam features like "Steam Controller" or "Steam VR". All of the Feral-ported games are available only on Steam. And they are in the process of replacing Linux brand with their own "Steam" one, of which this release is a clear indication. If/When they reach a critical mass of Steam adopters who think that "Linux Gaming == Steam Gaming", they will Extinguish Linux gaming.

Make no mistake, it would be extremely neat (for Valve) to have its own complete gaming ecosystem (like Sony and Nintendo do) or, better yet, to completely seize all of the PC gaming.

Quoting: slaapliedjeSo yeah, you are trolling.

Obviously, you are not that familiar with what trolling is. A troll will not respond further, its goal is to ignite a heated discussion, not to participate in it. So, I'm only expressing my point of view. You can disagree, that's fine. But to call someone "troll" for uncomfortable statements... is a clear indication of shortage of arguments.

Wow, someone really doesn't understand SteamOS at all.

Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: GuestNot sure if he's trolling or if the SteamOS bit just wooshed right past him. I'll be honest, for a split second when I was at their site I did the same thing. "No linux? Oh.. steamOS, duh"

Well, if it is a trolling on my part, it is not a trolling per se. The core idea is: the game is not planned for Linux. It is planned for Valve's "SteamOS".

Quoting: slaapliedjeI was thinking the same thing; "Bro, like SteamOS... it IS Linux.."

SteamOS /= Linux

SteamOS just happens to be a small subset of Linux-based distributions. For now. And at the same time while the Linux kernel and most distributions are GPL-ed, SteamOS with its "Steam Big Picture" (or something like that) is Valve's proprietary product. What will happen when Valve replaces Linux kernel with BSD and close their product?

Don't you see the writing on the wall?
1) Valve intentionally removed Linux logo replacing it with Steam logo;
2) Steam controller is unusable without Steam;
3) Linux -> SteamOS+Linux (note the order) -> SteamOS. Silent replacement of the brand.

Gabe Newell was a Microsoft employee! I mean, that, 1992, Bill's Microsoft, not the current one. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish tactics is in his blood, I'm sure.

Omg,you sure dislike Valve don't you?

Check out Youtube trailer,it clearly says Linux at the end.

Whats wrong with SteamOS?These days most of the games only supports Ubuntu officially,but most of them also works on Arch,Fedora etc.

Again,i did the mistake guys.

Don't feed the troll.

Looks like company of heroes, I wonder if their going to nickle and dime people to death with micro-transactions (dlc) or if their just going to give people the best they got and simply rely on a good game and reviews to sell their product?

Quoting: LeopardOmg,you sure dislike Valve don't you?

And I'm honest about it. Pardon me for breaking this nice little sheeny world where everyone loves Valve® and prays to St. Newell.

Quoting: LeopardWhats wrong with SteamOS?

The Valve's attempt to hijack Linux gaming and replace it with its own controlled DRM-ed OS (even if it is based on Linux for now). That's sufficient for me.

Quoting: LeopardThese days most of the games only supports Ubuntu officially,but most of them also works on Arch,Fedora etc.

I'm not talking about "will/will_not work on $distroname}". I'm talking about replacing Linux with SteamOS™.

Quoting: LeopardAgain,i did the mistake guys.

So did I.

Quoting: LeopardDon't feed the troll.

Yes, guys, don't feed the troll. I'm done explaining and arguing with random Internet habitats for now.

Quoting: Alm888And I'm honest about it. Pardon me for breaking this nice little sheeny world where everyone loves Valve® and prays to St. Newell.

That's hardly the case. A lot of Linux gamers aren't thrilled with DRM, and thus aren't thrilled with Steam. However, Valve does happen to have boosted Linux gaming a lot in the past few years, and they at least appreciated that fact.

Quoting: Alm888The Valve's attempt to hijack Linux gaming and replace it with its own controlled DRM-ed OS (even if it is based on Linux for now). That's sufficient for me.

Valve is all about the store and digital distribution. Yes, they are concerned about DRM, but not at the OS level, since they don't sell the OS. They want to make you dependent on their distribution service and not be able to break away from it. This is true in Windows as well as Linux, and they couldn't care less which system you are using as long as they don't get squeezed out, and that's what Steam OS is about, a way to be sure they don't get squeezed out by Microsoft. As long as they are assured they can not be squeezed out, that's all they need.

Quoting: LeopardI'm not talking about "will/will_not work on $distroname}". I'm talking about replacing Linux with SteamOS™.

SteamOS is a Linux distribution, and it cannot be simply replaced by BSD. The games don't run on a virtual machine that can be made to run on any kernel. They are completely dependent on the Linux operating system. If they replaced Linux with BSD, they would immediately make all the existing games incompatible. Existing tools for making BSD run Linux software are highly unlikely to work very well with games. The overhead for developing such a thing is very high and totally unnecessary for Valve and their goals. They can meet their most nefarious goals without doing that (that is, they can make you dependent on Steam to run your games that you purchased through Steam). Your comments about 'removing Linux' from SteamOS reflect a lack of understanding of the technical side of things and the business side of things.

The point is not that Steam is better than you imagine them to be. It's that Steam can be as evil as they want while continuing to support Linux just the same way as they do now. They don't care about the OS other than as a means to an end. All they care about is the digital distribution store. If you are going to continue this line of reasoning, at least try to come up with a plausible benefit for Valve trying to replace Linux, which would involve a great deal of time and expense, and would render all the work they are doing now obsolete.

Hijack Linux? you do realize there is more then 1 distribution of Linux right? everyone is entitled to make their own release, even Valve. You do know that updates for the Steam app still work on all other distributions, they didn't lock it down to SteamOS. Some people need some education in their head!

SteamOS was for the Steam consoles (open source console technically), it failed because the drivers and software were not up to snuff, alot of developers saw this, and dropped support for Linux, but as you can see we're finally getting more work put into that aspect of Linux.... (still going to take at least a year to match Windows performance overall)...


Last edited by TheRiddick on 7 February 2017 at 12:28 am UTC

This does look pretty cool.

Quoting: TheRiddickHijack Linux? you do realize there is more then 1 distribution of Linux right? everyone is entitled to make their own release, even Valve. You do know that updates for the Steam app still work on all other distributions, they didn't lock it down to SteamOS. Some people need some education in their head!

SteamOS was for the Steam consoles (open source console technically), it failed because the drivers and software were not up to snuff, alot of developers saw this, and dropped support for Linux, but as you can see we're finally getting more work put into that aspect of Linux.... (still going to take at least a year to match Windows performance overall)...

As with anything open source. As long as there are users and developers working on it, they have not failed.

In the case of SteamOS, there are still manufacturers making Steam Machines. So it certainly hasn't failed. The only criteria in which it failed is that maybe it didn't match some people's criteria of success. If they thought that it would sell in the same numbers as xbox or playstation... or even Wii, they were deluding themselves. Steam Machines would need to be sold out of Walmarts, and Toys R Us for success like that. Instead they were sold online, and maybe out of places like Fry's of which are only in certain states here.

I also laugh that you refer to it in the past tense... Debian Stretch recently went into Hard Freeze, which means it will release soon enough, then SteamOS will get a massive update.


Last edited by slaapliedje on 12 February 2017 at 4:41 pm UTC

Ha, not sure exactly how anyone could "Hijack Linux". It is open source, you can do whatever with it. Closest thing to Hijacking it that I have seen is Android, where they use the kernel, but replace the GNU userland to make it less useful.

SteamOS is literally just Debian Jessie with some kernel tweaks and backported drivers that boots up to big picture mode by default. I haven't tried this, but I bet one could set it to official repositories and it would work perfectly fine. Which I couldn't say that about the majority of Debian based systems. Ubuntu for example will break all sorts of things.