Intel giving hints at a possible Intel Xe dedicated GPU release in June 2020

This might not be enough to force Nvidia to upstream their driver, but it will for sure decrease the usage of their blob even further.

That's a good thing for Linux ecosystem and progress of Wayland.

Last edited by Shmerl on 7 Oct 2019 at 11:59 am UTC

Interesting times ahead ! I hope Intel gives the GPU market the kick it deserves :)

i know some may laugh at this but i think intel could seriously give a good kick in the pants to both companies and have a good price.at least that would be the smart thing to do,if you release a card that is out of reach to alot of people you have already buried yourself.

To buy AMD earlier or to wait for this one...? One thing is clear: Nvidia no more!

This will be very interesting. I predict they will be more expensive than their competition.

Quoting: Perkeleen_VittupääTo buy AMD earlier or to wait for this one...? One thing is clear: Nvidia no more!

No need to wait if you are upgrading today, so get AMD. Intel still have to prove their cards are actually good, so there is an unknown factor.

Quoting: ShmerlThis might not be enough to force Nvidia to upstream their driver, but it will for sure decrease the usage of their blob even further.

That's a good thing for Linux ecosystem and progress of Wayland.

There are rumours that Nvidia had no chance getting a platform win with Google Stadia as they have no competitive open-source driver with NVidia being the stakeholder.
If this isn't pressure, I don't know.

Quoting: subThere are rumours that Nvidia had no chance getting a platform win with Google Stadia as they have no competitive open-source driver with NVidia being the stakeholder.
If this isn't pressure, I don't know.

Nvidia's management was too blinded by their blob mentality, and they missed such opportunities in result.

Last edited by Shmerl on 7 Oct 2019 at 3:03 pm UTC

This could be interesting. Right now I'm leaning towards AMD for both a new CPU and GPU, though I will not upgrade until well into next year or even later. Unless there is a game that absolutely does not run I usually don't see a compelling reason.

Regardless, a third, serious competitor might not be bad for consumers, in the short term. In the long run, I'm not sure. There's only so much demand for discrete GPUs, so nVidia and AMD will eventually make less money. Might lead to new innovations, but could also spell doom and gloom.

There is enough demand in datacenters though, so I don't think they will oversaturate the market. It's a good thing.

Last edited by Shmerl on 7 Oct 2019 at 5:16 pm UTC

Apparently NVIDIA will have their next series of cards out Q1 2020 so it will be interesting. Honestly the only reason to go NVIDIA is for the TOP END card performance at 4k, if your 1080p or 1440p gamer then there is absolutely no reason to only consider them, Intel and AMD are releasing middle end cards, there will be no top end.

I don't care what AMD says, by the time their big NAVI comes out its going to be way too late and cost WAY too much. That's how its been for quite some time now and I see no reason why it would change.

Quoting: TheRiddickI don't care what AMD says, by the time their big NAVI comes out its going to be way too late and cost WAY too much. That's how its been for quite some time now and I see no reason why it would change.

How aren't Nvidia 2080 cards too much though? They are already crazily priced, not something I'm interested in paying for a GPU. I doubt they'll lower those prices. So if AMD will also price it that way (like they did with Radeon VII), it's not likely I'm going to get those cards.

Quoting: TheRiddickHonestly the only reason to go NVIDIA is for the TOP END card performance at 4k, if your 1080p or 1440p gamer then there is absolutely no reason to only consider them

IMHO for monitors higher refresh rate (matched with framerate in games) is more valuable than higher resolution. So 4K is quite a red herring to chase such expensive cards. I.e. I'd take something like 2560x1440 with > 100 fps over 4K with lower framerate. And even super high cards would struggle to push high framerate at 4K on max settings in demanding games. It will probably take a few generations of GPUs still, for 4K to become usable at high framerates. So no rush there.

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If Intel plan on getting into the consumer dGPU space, they very likely will be strong armed by Hollywood and friends to implement a "secure content path" all for "the benefit of the users". Get ready for more firmware or hardware level DRM.

Why is that license plate on Tesla? They want compete wit Nvidia tesla in datacenters?

Quoting: GustyGhostIf Intel plan on getting into the consumer dGPU space, they very likely will be strong armed by Hollywood and friends to implement a "secure content path" all for "the benefit of the users". Get ready for more firmware or hardware level DRM.

OK , that comment flew over my head.
A bit of context please ?

Quoting: razing32A bit of context please ?

You cannot use your current GPU without loading a proprietary blob firmware which uses encryption to make sure that the GPU ultimately obeys somebody else that isn't you. Part of this (mis)functionality is required for other "protection" schemes such as HDCP. Who would pressure for such (mis)functionality to be integrated into hardware and firmware?

Quoting: GustyGhost

Quoting: razing32A bit of context please ?

You cannot use your current GPU without loading a proprietary blob firmware which uses encryption to make sure that the GPU ultimately obeys somebody else that isn't you. Part of this (mis)functionality is required for other "protection" schemes such as HDCP. Who would pressure for such (mis)functionality to be integrated into hardware and firmware?

Plus, aren't those companies trying to hard-locked diversify their platforms?
Providing some features only on one (premium) product and not on others, allowing them to use (almost) the same silicon for a wide range of product which can significantly lower the cost.

I guess this is also one argument against a fully open stack for at least some companies - looking in particular at you Nvidia.

Thanks.
Guess I learned something new :)