AMD has strong revenue growth again, new next-gen RDNA GPUs coming this year

Quoting: AudiThat said, GF 14NM process was not as good as TSMC's 16NM, so AMD got huge gains just by moving to TSMC's 7nm. Nvidia will be moving there, potentially this year, but I wouldn't expect it until September at the earliest. AMD should have big Navi release by July at the latest.

Yep, and as you said, while AMD already have quite a bit of experience with 7 nm, Nvidia don't have any yet. 7 nm introduces new physical effects that prevent using old tricks that worked in all previous generations.

So there is a good chance AMD will come out strong with RDNA2 against Nvidia.


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Quoting: mrdeathjrpersonally see nvidia launch 7nm gpus before out big navi, maybe in some place around gtc 2020 but only 3070 - 3080

and 3080ti around big navi launch

hopefully amd can make something but for now seems nvidia put a big jump this time (similar to pascal)

however if amd goes bad in gpus, ryzen still saving the day

^_^

Your translation didn't come across too well. I think you were trying to say, that everything depends on how well AMD's "big Navi" performs compared to what Nvidia releases, and when they each end up releasing. And, yes, that is pretty much always the case. Who gets the better card and who gets it out first.

To say though that Turing was a big jump over Pascal, like Pascal was over Maxwell is not accurate. Turing wasn't a big improvement over Pascal. The 2060 performed like a 1070. However, when comparing Pascal to Maxwell, the 1060 performed like the 980 (not the 970). Turing was a small improvement.

If their new line, gives this same small bump again, and AMD provides another big jump like the did with RDNA 1.0 over Vega, then AMD will have a very competitive product, in terms of performance.

Quoting: AudiYour translation didn't come across too well. I think you were trying to say, that everything depends on how well AMD's "big Navi" performs compared to what Nvidia releases, and when they each end up releasing. And, yes, that is pretty much always the case. Who gets the better card and who gets it out first.

To say though that Turing was a big jump over Pascal, like Pascal was over Maxwell is not accurate. Turing wasn't a big improvement over Pascal. The 2060 performed like a 1070. However, when comparing Pascal to Maxwell, the 1060 performed like the 980 (not the 970). Turing was a small improvement.

If their new line, gives this same small bump again, and AMD provides another big jump like the did with RDNA 1.0 over Vega, then AMD will have a very competitive product, in terms of performance.

this time jump seems bigger because use 7nm (7nm EUV) and seems with new arquitecture

in both areas amd give troubles because with actual 7nm dont have same 12nm nvidia tdp

and more important thing if comes with new arquitecture, this have improvements proper of new arquitecture*

*rdna is more or less gcn, no big changes - hopefully amd can offer some better with rdna 2

^_^

Quoting: mrdeathjr*rdna is more or less gcn, no big changes - hopefully amd can offer some better with rdna 2

That's pretty wrong. There are a lot of big changes. And will be even more in RDNA2.

I really hope they fix their drivers. I bought an RX5700 and could get the drivers to work OK on Windows, but not on Linux. Massive mouse stuttering, got even worse after using the PPA with updated Mesa.

I decided to switch to team green, where everything worked fine after CLI driver installation (Noveau of course instantly froze on login). My older RX580 worked flawlessly through. I cannot understand why Navi cards still have those driver problems 6 months after launch.

Quoting: mrboeseI cannot understand why Navi cards still have those driver problems 6 months after launch.

What kernel are you using that still has Navi problems?


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Quoting: ShmerlI'd also not recommend RX 5600 / 5600 XT. Go with RX 5700 or RX 5700 XT if you want a Navi card.

Some details here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDyP9nDw_q0

some ppl are saying on reddit and other sites that you can bios mod a standard rx 5700 into a 5700 "XT" . It seems it doesn't unlock extra compute units but the clocks should behave the same as a XT version.


Last edited by Koopacabras on 31 January 2020 at 6:03 pm UTC

Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: mrboeseI cannot understand why Navi cards still have those driver problems 6 months after launch.

What kernel are you using that still has Navi problems?

Kernel 5.3 that theoretically should support Navi 10. I checked if AMDGPU was loaded - everything OK. I think the driver has issues with my mixed Hz configuration (1 screen 144Hz, the other 60Hz). There is a bug report of an issue that could be the same as mine: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/issues/1001


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Quoting: mrboeseKernel 5.3 that theoretically should support Navi 10.

I'm not surprised you are having issues - 5.3 has a ton of Navi related bugs, there is no reason to use it. Try kernel 5.5.


Last edited by Shmerl on 31 January 2020 at 7:26 pm UTC

Quoting: GuestYes but a bad situation for LTS distros which probably most users have due to the risk that rolling releases tend to break more easily (except of openSUSE Tumbleweed of course :-P). I'd wish it would be possible to install the AMDGPU driver also as a Kernel module to older Kernels with out backporting the actual driver from the latest kernles. :/

It is possible to use amdgpu via dkms.

See for example: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/tree/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/dkms?h=amd-19.50

Not sure what exact kernels it supports, I've never used it.

The full list of releases is here: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/refs

Search for something like amd-xx.yy.


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