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Wine manager Bottles has a big new release with major overhauls

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Managing various games and applications installed on Linux using Wine can be a hassle, and while there's stuff like Lutris available perhaps Bottles might be a better dedicated option just for Wine directly.

Version 2022.1.28 has rolled out, with an aim to make the experience more stable thanks to a whole new Wine backend. The new system is split across three components (WineCommand, WineProgram, Executor), that should allow for easy extensions to what Bottles can offer. One useful change with this is that you can run commands without other things interfering (like Gamescope and GameMode).

There's also now the ability to show / hide programs inside each Bottle, their new build of Wine (Caffe) is based on Wine 7.0 with support for the newer Futex2 code, an improved view with a search bar for installers like Epic Games and GOG Galaxy and some other minor features.

A bunch of bug fixes came in too like better Wayland support, fixed desktop entries, the Download Manager should no longer fail due to lack of a User-Agent and the backup import feature should work now too. A few other stability updates also went into it like a dependency issue being solved when creating a new Bottle.

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Tim 30 Jan
Quoting: braiam
Quoting: Tim
Quoting: TheSHEEEPThis looks like a better Q4Wine.
This is not alternative to q4wine. With q4wine you can use your system Wine, with Bottles you cannot and this by design.

But you can. Search in the list of wine for sys-wine.
Better read docs and check which runners supported https://docs.usebottles.com/components/runners#types-of-runners.
Q4Wine is wrapper around your system/host wine, basically GUI for it with some tools and helpers which help you configure your system/host wine provided by your distribution or any other 3d-party wine build.

Bottles is designed around their own, custom pre-built versions of Wine with own ecosystem, tools and such and intended to work only with them.
Quoting: BlackBloodRum
Quoting: Mountain ManThere are plenty of Linux native options for ripping music CDs. I've been using K3B for years, and it works great, but there are many others if that's not to your liking.
Quoting: iskaputtNot exactly on topic, but did you try whipper as an alternative? I've been using it for my CD collection and it usually works just fine. It checks the rips against the musicbrainz database and pulls other metadata from there as well. I know that some people swear by EAC, but maybe this works for you.

https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper

Sadly.. due to my usage case, while Linux apps do a perfect job of ripping audio, the log files produced are not satisfactory.. let's just say it's for "not linux's fault" reasons and not entirely down to my own decision.

I'm curious what EAC can do that native Linux software can't.
randyl 30 Jan
Quoting: ShmerlThis looks like evolving into a better variant of PlayOnLinux.
My first thought when I saw this was didn't I use this years ago? It looks a lot better now.
Cerberon 31 Jan
I like the idea of this, it would make it easier to run mod managers or other executables you might run along side a game than some other methods.
However I have had problems running things that run fine in Lutris, not sure if it a problem due to Flatpak installation or I just don't know how to use bottles properly.
Nocifer 31 Jan
Quoting: Mountain Man
Quoting: BlackBloodRum
Quoting: Mountain ManThere are plenty of Linux native options for ripping music CDs. I've been using K3B for years, and it works great, but there are many others if that's not to your liking.
Quoting: iskaputtNot exactly on topic, but did you try whipper as an alternative? I've been using it for my CD collection and it usually works just fine. It checks the rips against the musicbrainz database and pulls other metadata from there as well. I know that some people swear by EAC, but maybe this works for you.

https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper

Sadly.. due to my usage case, while Linux apps do a perfect job of ripping audio, the log files produced are not satisfactory.. let's just say it's for "not linux's fault" reasons and not entirely down to my own decision.

I'm curious what EAC can do that native Linux software can't.

The logs it creates during the ripping procedure are considered a golden standard in certain online circles.

Quoting: CerberonI like the idea of this, it would make it easier to run mod managers or other executables you might run along side a game than some other methods.
However I have had problems running things that run fine in Lutris, not sure if it a problem due to Flatpak installation or I just don't know how to use bottles properly.

Yes, that's also another point against Bottles (at least in its current state; I have no doubt it will eventually be fixed). There's one specific game I have that in a Wine prefix created and configured by Bottles it will run with horrible graphical artifacts in DX11 mode (DX9 mode is OK) but when run externally (either via Lutris or simply via a normal wine call from e.g. the terminal) it will run perfectly fine. In both cases the prefix and its contents, as well as the Wine binaries used, are exactly the same (I use my system-wide Wine in both Bottles and Lutris).

Friendly hint: to easily run mod managers etc for games in Lutris, select the game you want, click the rightmost arrow in the toolbar that appears at the bottom (the one next to the Wine icon) and select "Run EXE inside Wine prefix" - et voila. One of those convenient little tricks that Lutris hides behind its terrible UI.
kibasnowpaw 31 Jan
Quoting: Comandante Ñoñardo
Quoting: kibasnowpawi still feel like lutris is a better options here or if you somehow can miss mass this two.

Lutris is useful when you have an specific game install script, but it lacks of a default generic script template for to use when a game or app doesn't have an specific install script...


I can't entirely agree because I install all my games without a script, and all my steam games are installed in wine, not native steam, but Steam EXE inside wine using lutris to download and install the game for me with the Steam for Windows runner. I can get most games up and running with no problem, even games like Resident evil Revelation and BLUE REFLECTION run as good as on native steam, and i don't have to worry about bit32 and proton 5.0 to make them work as long WMP 11 is installed. You can check out more on my channel

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheCasualGamers2020/videos



Quoting: mirkobrombin
Quoting: kibasnowpawThis is way to complicated to use and it don't feel user friendly at all and a stuff is missing or not working. i still feel like lutris is a better options here or if you somehow can miss mass this two.

Our focus is on ease of use. What and how should we improve?

My two biggest problems at the moment are 1. The Steam Runner doesn't work. I have to install it, Manuel, I don't know if I did it wrong, but it looks like the other runners do work of those I tried. 2. I can't install the Bottle in places other than my Home folder. I have a tiny SSD, so I can't use my main Folder as an established point thats why I have a 12 TB IronWolf for my games in the first place. If there is a way to use my second HDD, I would rather do that.


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Quoting: kibasnowpaw
Quoting: Comandante Ñoñardo
Quoting: kibasnowpawi still feel like lutris is a better options here or if you somehow can miss mass this two.

Lutris is useful when you have an specific game install script, but it lacks of a default generic script template for to use when a game or app doesn't have an specific install script...


I can't entirely agree because I install all my games without a script, and all my steam games are installed in wine, not native steam, but Steam EXE inside wine using lutris to download and install the game for me with the Steam for Windows runner. I can get most games up and running with no problem, even games like Resident evil Revelation and BLUE REFLECTION run as good as on native steam, and i don't have to worry about bit32 and proton 5.0 to make them work as long WMP 11 is installed. You can check out more on my channel

https://www.youtube.com/c/TheCasualGamers2020/videos

I am not talking about Steam games, I talk about games I have on DVD or Downloaded...
To Install Wolfenstein 2009 from a DVD (non-steam) was a pain in the ass.

Usage experience must be "Click game installer.exe file, Install game & Play"
kibasnowpaw 31 Jan
Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoI am not talking about Steam games, I talk about games I have on DVD or Downloaded...
To Install Wolfenstein 2009 from a DVD (non-steam) was a pain in the ass.

Usage experience must be "Click game installer.exe file, Install game & Play"

I don't have that game on disk, but i do have a lot of other games on disk.

Here are three games I installed from disk and run. I have not tried all my games. One I know I can't get to work is F.E.A.R because wine is fucking the CD key box op, so I can only put in 3 letters for every box when I need four letters, but besides that, I could easily run that game too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEvm2-OBsxw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kFaB2Uiz6c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHAOqX3SDsM


Last edited by kibasnowpaw on 31 January 2022 at 6:50 pm UTC
Quoting: Nocifer
Quoting: Mountain Man
Quoting: BlackBloodRum
Quoting: Mountain ManThere are plenty of Linux native options for ripping music CDs. I've been using K3B for years, and it works great, but there are many others if that's not to your liking.
Quoting: iskaputtNot exactly on topic, but did you try whipper as an alternative? I've been using it for my CD collection and it usually works just fine. It checks the rips against the musicbrainz database and pulls other metadata from there as well. I know that some people swear by EAC, but maybe this works for you.

https://github.com/whipper-team/whipper

Sadly.. due to my usage case, while Linux apps do a perfect job of ripping audio, the log files produced are not satisfactory.. let's just say it's for "not linux's fault" reasons and not entirely down to my own decision.

I'm curious what EAC can do that native Linux software can't.

The logs it creates during the ripping procedure are considered a golden standard in certain online circles.

Yes... "certain online circles".
braiam 3 Feb
Quoting: Tim
Quoting: braiam
Quoting: Tim
Quoting: TheSHEEEPThis looks like a better Q4Wine.
This is not alternative to q4wine. With q4wine you can use your system Wine, with Bottles you cannot and this by design.

But you can. Search in the list of wine for sys-wine.
Better read docs and check which runners supported https://docs.usebottles.com/components/runners#types-of-runners.
Q4Wine is wrapper around your system/host wine, basically GUI for it with some tools and helpers which help you configure your system/host wine provided by your distribution or any other 3d-party wine build.

Bottles is designed around their own, custom pre-built versions of Wine with own ecosystem, tools and such and intended to work only with them.

And yet it is the only "runner" I use.
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