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Tim Sweeney has a point about Fortnite EAC support

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One of the big topics of discourse in the Linux gaming sphere recently has been Tim Sweeney's statement on porting Fortnite to the Steam Deck, where Sweeney argues that Linux would be too difficult of a target and the market not big enough to warrant the amount of resources it would take to bring all of Fortnite on the platform.

The central crux of the issue, from Sweeney's point of view, is that making Easy Anti-Cheat, with all of its capabilities, run on Steam Deck (and thus on Linux) would be extremely difficult. He argues, that for a game of Fortnite's size this would open the flood-gates to significant influx of cheaters.

There have been some responses to this from the Linux side, with some accusing Sweeney of exaggerating the difficulty of such a port or that his statements are conflicting, because he simultaneously believes the Linux market is too small to be worthwhile but also would provide a way for too many cheaters. I will address some of these aspects a bit later, but for now let's focus on the main technical blocker, which is Easy Anti-Cheat.

Easy Anti-Cheat, or EAC, is an anti-cheat solution which apparently comes in a few configurations. We know that it can be run in a configuration where it is compatible with Linux/Proton apparently with just a relatively simple toggle. However, this mode of operation is seemingly a comparatively high-trust configuration, where only part of the anti-tampering protections of EAC are active. This may prevent some cheats but fail to detect others, which can be perfectly reasonable for games, where the number of cheaters and potential cheaters are fairly low or other systems complement the anti-cheat solution. There are plenty of games, even some popular free-to-play titles, which at best have this level of anti-tamper protection and they don't seem to have a major cheating epidemic, so clearly in many cases this should be enough. We also don't know the scope of cheats that are detected by EAC in this configuration, so this system by itself may already be fairly comprehensive.

EAC also contains a kernel-level component, which on Windows is installed as a kernel driver. This allows EAC code to run at a very privileged level and inspect essentially any and all parts of the system in order to detect tampering. This provides a very broad level of monitoring, which is also harder to bypass. Based on Sweeney's comments, this is the mode of operation used by Fortnite. It is also a mode of operation that is technically incompatible with the Linux way of doing things.

In Linux, the standard way of delivering drivers is by submitting the driver into the kernel source code tree, which naturally requires that the driver be open source. Most drivers are delivered this way, where the driver gets tightly integrated into the kernel and the drivers are updated when the kernel is updated. There are of course some notable exceptions to this rule, the largest of which is the Nvidia driver. The Nvidia driver is instead loaded as a separate kernel module, which allows Nvidia to keep its source code hidden, but also allows the driver to be updated separately from the kernel. So, EAC could surely use this approach as well, right?

The separate kernel module approach comes with some gotchas. Firstly, the kernel is licensed under GPLv2 and many of the parts in the kernel require the calling code to also be GPLv2 due to the "viral" quality of GPL. This means that, legally speaking, if Epic were to turn EAC into a kernel module and started poking around the kernel APIs, they'd have to open source EAC or they'd be in a legal grey area. The first approach is obviously not possible due to their business model and the second is at least not a great look.

Another problem with separate kernel modules is that the Linux kernel only guarantees a stable user-facing interface. This means that almost anything is allowed to change inside the kernel as long as user-level programs continue functioning. This is also the reason why sometimes the Nvidia driver stops working when you upgrade from one kernel to the next without installing an up-to-date Nvidia driver as well. So, when Sweeney is complaining about the multitude of kernel configurations, he's not wrong. EAC would need to maintain a compatibility shim similar to that of the Nvidia driver, which ensures that the EAC kernel module functions with each kernel version out there. Every time the kernel updates, an EAC engineer would need to go over the changes and update the compatibility shim every time there's a breaking change while still maintaining the compatibility with older kernel versions.

Theoretically you could overcome this problem somewhat by only targeting the Steam Deck and its SteamOS. This would give you a single kernel version to target, although Epic would need to negotiate with Valve in order to ensure their driver is somehow shipped with SteamOS.

But the problems don't end there. Since Linux is a fully open platform, there is technically nothing that would prevent a determined cheater from cracking open the Linux source code and making some tactical changes to how the kernel behaves, building the kernel and then making the EAC kernel module blind. On Windows the EAC developers can assume that the black box that is the NT kernel is at least somewhat difficult to modify by users. This means that in kernel-space they can assume some level of security through obscurity. On Linux this assumption does not hold. The only way for Epic to overcome that problem would be to negotiate with Valve to lock down the Steam Deck, which Valve has already decided not to do.

So, from EAC's point of view the Linux platform can never be quite fully trusted, which is entirely fair, because from the user's point of view EAC can never be quite fully trusted.

But surely Epic could still somehow bring Fortnite to the Steam Deck, right? Surely they could ship a version of Fortnite without the kernel-level component, right?

That they could, which brings us to the points about market share and the viability of cheating. Sweeney argues that the Linux market is too small, which initially sounds a bit odd because he then goes on to worry about the large numbers of cheaters. The kicker is here that the small Linux market doesn't necessarily guarantee a low number of cheaters. If it turns out that certain cheats are possible via a Linux version of Fortnite, this will attract some cheaters to use the platform in order to bypass EAC. It won't be all of the cheaters, many casual cheaters would likely not bother to learn Linux in order to cheat in a video game, but there is no doubt a group of cheaters that would take the opportunity. So, Fortnite would see some increase in cheating, but without good data it is hard to determine how big that effect would be. However, considering the popularity and free-to-play nature of Fortnite, it could very well be that it would be an attractive enough target for cheaters to attack even if there is a slightly higher initial investment. Cheat makers on the other hand would probably eventually find ways to package their offerings in an accessible enough format, like boot-to-cheat USBs or pre-configured VM images.

Some solutions to this problem have been proposed. For example, they could silo Steam Deck/Linux users in such a way that they will never come into contact with the rest of the playerbase. This would contain cheating, but it's also a hard-handed measure that would likely be unpopular. It would also require some amount of work to accomplish and I think it's fair for Epic to discount options that would cause extra work on them.

So, what's the solution to the problem? Here's the thing: I don't think there is one. My personal opinion is that client-side anti-cheat is fundamentally limited and taking it into the kernel is a bandaid that comes with excessive cost and is simply incompatible with the Linux platform. So, as long as Epic insists on maintaining its current anti-cheat approach with Fortnite, I just don't think there's going to be Fortnite on Linux.

And that doesn't mean Tim Sweeney is wrong or lying about the difficulties of adapting that approach to Linux. It just means that a new or different approach is needed in the future.

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Purple Library Guy Feb 9, 2022
I respect Samsai, but I don't buy this argument.
As I see it, in very brief form, Samsai is saying
--doing a kernel module for EAC would be problematic because of the GPL
Thing is, as I understand it there are lots of binary blobs in the kernel in nearly all distros. I don't see this as a realistic issue.
A sub-point he made on this would be that it would look bad. This is ridiculous. I don't think Epic can look much worse in the eyes of the open source community than they already do, and I don't think doing a kernel module for EAC on the Steam Deck would make them look worse than, well, sabotaging the Steam Deck by keeping Fortnite off it.

--"On Windows . . . they can assume some level of security through obscurity."

As far as I can tell, cheating on Fortnite is an industry. Samsai seems to be describing a level of security by obscurity that would stop casual cheaters from writing their own cheat functionality from scratch, thus only allowing elite, highly skilled cheaters to do so. Except casual cheaters don't write their own cheat functionality, they do a quick google and buy a cheat program from the thriving industry writing them. The thriving industry is clearly not deterred by this mild level of security by obscurity; we know this because you can do a quick google and find their programs for sale. The scenario and issue Samsai describes is not just marginal, I would wager it literally does not exist at all. The only kind of person who would imagine it might would be, well, a non-cheating Linux user used to controlling their system who is also some kind of skilled programmer and so imagines that if they wanted to cheat on games, they might do it from scratch themselves. In real life, I don't think anyone in the world does it that way, and certainly no low-skilled casual cheater does, and so this security by obscurity that would deter this sort of cheater is entirely hypothetical.
Come to that, arguably, Linux has significantly more security by obscurity just because most employees in this thriving industry are very likely to be Windows programmers and not familiar with Linux. Not that it matters.

I think Samsai has come to his position by making an error at a more social level. He looks at Tim Sweeney saying X, and at many people saying hostile things about Tim Sweeney saying X, and considers that many of those hostile things are not well informed, and that after all Sweeney is an important man at the top of a large company. Plus, frankly, honourable people tend to just imagine certain basic levels of conduct in others. So his instincts tell him that he shouldn't react in a knee-jerk fashion like the hostile people, and that he should give some benefit of the doubt to Sweeney because come on, surely an important person in a public role wouldn't just be lying through their teeth. And so, he starts thinking about ways in which Sweeney's claims could be true, and comes up with some.

The problem is that Tim Sweeney is in fact very likely to be lying through his teeth, and indeed we can verify that because, within the same sequence of tweets under discussion, he clearly did lie through his teeth. Specifically, he said
QuoteEpic would be happy to put Fortnite on Steam. We wouldn't be happy to give Steam 20-30% of its revenue for the privilege.
Now, Fortnite is free to play. I presume it makes lots of money from micro-transactions within the game. But Steam, unlike Apple that I believe Epic had a lawsuit with over this very issue, does not collect a percentage from such in-game transactions, and there is no possible way Sweeney does not perfectly well know this. So, if Fortnite were available on Steam, Epic would be paying Valve 20-30% of zero for the privilege.
So he's lying. Flat out, no ifs, ands or buts, it's a barefaced lie. From what I've heard of Sweeney's character, this is far from unusual for him. This does not prove that the stuff about EAC is lies, but it does show that it is unwise to give him the benefit of the doubt, or start from the idea that he might be right and look for ways to square that possibility with the rest of reality.
audiopathik Feb 9, 2022
To this day commercial cheats provide the paying customer with private patched bootloaders that boot into a cracked Windows with disabled UAC allowing for undetected injection of hacks, bypassing VAC, PunkBuster and EAC.

Seeing the efforts these people take to continue hacking you would assume they would take the opportunity and have an easy one on Linux. Interestingly enough I've heard no complains about cheaters abusing the Linux version of CS:GO. It is secured by a custom version of VAC, a private blogger analyzed it (https://lwss.github.io/State-Of-Vac-linux-2020/) and apparantly it does nothing other than monitoring /mem /proc /cmdline and the gamedir for suspicious files/processes/signatures and therefor should be easily bypassed with a custom kernel.

I think Linux is generally too unattractive to gamers, but the Steam Deck might bring a lot of them to it, and if it is profitable there will be cheat providers.
Nic264 Feb 9, 2022
The decision not to enable EAC/Proton for Fortnite makes sense, since it apparently doesn't have anything better than that kernel-level black-box to fight cheaters… (importantly, people have nothing to loose for cheating)

But what's irritating is how vocal Sweeney can be about “open platforms” in his position against Apple, eg. excerpt from a recent Tweet:
QuoteHaving a truly open platform is best!
…and at the same time he rejects one of the most open platforms there is, because it actually gives complete control to the end user.

So what's his definition of “truly open platform” exactly? It can't be too open if you don't want to trust the end user…
rkido Feb 9, 2022
Games like Fortnite should be run exclusively from the cloud. Cloud exclusivity would make cheating a lot harder than it is now (at best you'd be limited to now-ancient techniques of using CV-based aimbots, etc.), would enable anyone with a web browser to play (including iOS and Steam Deck users), would keep client devices free of malware, and would reduce overall game development costs by limiting it to just one OS/platform.

Normally I despise cloud gaming because I want to be able to run my collection of games in 40 years and have the exact same experience as I would have with them today. But making massively multiplayer games cloud-exclusive is a sensible exception; these games live or die not with the ability to run the game's binary, but with their large communities of players. Of course I would still want the binaries released once the game shuts down so that enthusiasts can still play on private servers.
jaylittle Feb 9, 2022
Sweeney is wrong and I'm happy to explain why.

Anti-cheat systems for games exist for one and one reason only: It's a hack that allows game devs to write insecure implementations in which the data from the clients are trusted implicitly by the server because coding the server to properly validate all of the input is a hard and expensive (in terms of processor power) problem to solve.

If multiplayer games were written like proper web applications are, this would not be an issue. To be clear, web applications run inside a browser, virtually every one of which has an easy to access dev console that allows users to modify any part of the client side code and client side behavior of the application. Yet despite this it is possible to write a secure web application. That's because the server component of a properly written web application does not trust it's clients implicitly and double checks everything the client attempts to do against a set of rules.

Multiplayer games don't do this. To work around this, they implement anti-cheat systems which rely upon invasive kernel level hacks and monitoring to try and determine whether a user is actually playing or just cheating.

This entire approach is inherently flawed and until the game industry pulls its head out of its collective rear end, this will continue to be a major stumbling block. There is absolutely no good reason why a stupid game needs to be running kernel level code. None at all.
1xok Feb 9, 2022
Let's stop wasting our time thinking about this negative nonsense that Sweeney has once again put out into the world.

Valve releases Portal 1+2 on the Switch. :D

No joke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMQASUA_1Do

EDIT: The point is simply this: If the Steam Deck becomes a success like the Switch, then Fortnite will come for it too. If not, then it won't. In the end, it's not a technical question.


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Lofty Feb 9, 2022
Quoting: Purple Library GuyHe looks at Tim Sweeney saying X, and at many people saying hostile things about Tim Sweeney saying X, and considers that many of those hostile things are not well informed, and that after all Sweeney is an important man at the top of a large company. Plus, frankly, honourable people tend to just imagine certain basic levels of conduct in others. So his instincts tell him that he shouldn't react in a knee-jerk fashion like the hostile people, and that he should give some benefit of the doubt to Sweeney because come on, surely an important person in a public role wouldn't just be lying through their teeth. And so, he starts thinking about ways in which Sweeney's claims could be true, and comes up with some.

It's human nature and though some humans cannot be as easily fooled, when those who are honorable (or perhaps at worst immature / gullible) place a blind projection of trust to authority thing tend to go bad pretty quick. Many people throughout history have been taken advantage of by such people.


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STiAT Feb 10, 2022
NVidia manages pretty well with a binary driber and akmod though. It's not as if there could be no EAC module, but it's certainly out of scope for steam to provide it, that would be on the disto level.

And that's probably not hard on Steam Deck, but it may be hard getting distros to support it.
slaapliedje Feb 10, 2022
Quoting: Samsai
Quoting: F.UltraWouldn't the much greater marker on Android make it that much more susceptible to cheaters and thus much more profitable for a cheat-dev to write an exploit for?

A quick google shows that cheats for Fortnite on Android is just a simple APK that you can sideload, what those do is apparently to replace the Fortnite launcher with one patched to load the cheats.
It might be, if there is demand for exploits and cheats. Hell, maybe there even is a Fortnite cheating problem on Android. But clearly Epic's calculus says that it's worth the money to compromise. Otherwise they'd pull the plug on Android, right?

My whole argument hinges on the simple fact that Epic does not want to compromise with the Linux/Deck market. If Epic was willing to compromise we could hand-wave literally all the technical hurdles, because if Epic really really wanted the game to be available on the Deck then they could obviously make that happen. They aren't interested in compromising and at least claim to want to run their full-blown EAC on Linux and my argument is that it's never going to be a viable approach.

Getting Fortnite to run on Linux is not what I am claiming to be impossible here. It's the set of demands Epic is putting on Fortnite running on Linux that I am claiming as at least highly impractical.
Here is what it comes down to;
Fortnite is a money printing machine for them.
If you had a money printing machine, would you want to share that money?

I don't think Sweeney really ultimately cares if people cheat, as long as he gets that $$. But Linux still has that 'it's for hackers' reputation. So him saying some sound bites that Linux is too hackable so there isn't a way to prevent cheating, he can feel happy knowing that he'll still just be printing money.

The fact that they have supporting EAC through proton... but specifically are not allowing Fortnite that uses it 'because it isn't worth it, and OMG cheaters!' is pretty weak. He should just say 'because money money money! I love GOLD!' And stop making an ass of himself :P

(Brought to you buy dontbeanass.org)


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oberjaeger Feb 10, 2022
I do believe a solution could be found, if it is really wanted. I believe creating a kind of trusted bubble should be technical possible, and it should be no problem for a program to check if the kernel (or the bubble) has be corrupted.
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