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I agree with ssj17vegata on the AI thing. It is an interesting reason to switch distro because of the reasons mentioned. Another reason is that this is about how contributers choose to program the code: it has zero impact on your user experience, it is not like they are inclusing an LLM in the distro itself. Besides that, I personally find LLMs very usefull and I see many developers around me who can leverage it effectively to make quality code faster/more easily. Not everyone uses it to vibe code you know. People are very black and white on AI, especially in the FOSS space, but it has it's advantages too.

Again, you (and the people freaking out) are missing the point

Someone doesn't agree with you, so they're "freaking out". Why? "For no reason". What else, oh yeah, they're "missing the point".

Aye okay. Ignore all the perfectly valid reasons that many, many people have for despising AI. That's it's driving job losses. That's it's unethically produced. That it's driving a move away from green energy back towards nuclear. That it produces slop that actually reduces productivity. It's consolidating wealth in big tech. It makes you dumber.

I could go on. I wrote a short article on my own website: https://www.scaine.net/site/2025/06/the-ethics-of-ai-june-2025/ [External Link]

But ignore all that. We're missing the point. Somehow. 100%.

Aye okay. Ignore all the perfectly valid reasons that many, many people have for despising AI.

I think ssj17vegeta was being practical. It goes without saying that folks are using AI to develop open source that is landing in Linux distributions. That is just a fact.

I don't think you're going to get away from AI in Linux until someone forks a distribution to explicitly remove any AI contributions. Good luck identifying them all.

FWIW I'm not a big fan of AI either. I write enough lousy code myself. I don't need AI piling on.

As unpopular as it is, having at least a policy on it I now feel is a good step. People absolutely 100% are going to use AI tools no matter what, at least it's something for the Fedora team to fall back on if someone is discovered using it and not disclosing it when something happens. Better than ignoring the problem isn't it?

As to productivity, AI seems to be one of those things like multitasking, where people think it makes them productive but it doesn't. There was a study done that found it seemed to make people slower at coding . . . but they thought it made them faster.

AI is here and not going away. It's irreversible. You can either deal with it (and use it as a tool, to achieve enormous calculations and so on - which humans could never match) or keep wasting your energy fighting windmills waving yer anti-AI flags or sum. Geez. It's best to acknowledge the reality to keep also your sanity. Great many "jobs" are not eternal, please understand at least this.

Many things get automated gradually and free time of the people increase. We can then do things machines never could. Much humanitarian work to do on this planet if you haven't noticed. Maybe step outside for a while or take a trip to another all different country and realize. More time with family then too.

AI is not all doom and gloom. We can't control everything, it is what it is and people do what people do. How many people can control themselves 100% 24/7 and by what specifications set by who or what?

There was a study done that found it seemed to make people slower at coding . . . but they thought it made them faster

There's a link to that study in my article which I linked in an earlier comment. It's fascinating, the disparity between what they thought would happen and the recorded results.

@dziadulewicz .............. wtf? I just don't even know where to begin. I'm guessing you're a bot though, so I won't even begin.

@Jarmer

Look, you don't need to state the reasons why you don't reply. But you seem upset, so why don't you huh. You could maybe start with plans on how to stop this AI phenomena. I'd be all ears dude. That kind of "reply" makes no sense and also does not help!

Well, I will say one thing: The bit about automation increasing people's free time is a bit of a mirage. In practice, that doesn't happen. At the local level, if automation allows for greater productivity, workers are expected to produce more. At the global level, if automation allows for greater productivity, you don't get a shorter work week or more money for employees. You get some combination of higher unemployment, creation of demand such as by marketing more luxuries or planned obsolescence, and bullshit jobs. More broadly still, creation of more surplus normally just means that more surplus goes to the rich. Productivity has been decoupled from income or leisure since at least 1980--basically, since the fall of "new deal" and "social democratic" thinking. I mean, when most women in North America joined the workforce and so typical nuclear families went from one "breadwinner" to two, in theory that should have meant both could work half time. Instead, the cost of living was changed so that maintaining a half decent middle class household took two incomes.

Maybe with some kind of bottom-up socialism, automation would result in broadly shared prosperity and leisure. But with the system we have, not so much. This is why unions so often end up opposing tech change--their experience is that it leads to speedup and layoffs, while the productivity increase does nothing for them. Sure, it may make the firm more competitive . . . but that's a Red Queen's race for workers: They run faster and faster just to stay in the same place and shovel a few more billion to Jeff Bezos or whoever.


Last edited by Purple Library Guy on 29 Oct 2025 at 11:24 pm UTC

That's a wild response, dziadulewicz. I'm not going to break it down line by line, as tempting as that is. I'll just re-iterate some of my position on it.

1. I'll start by being super-clear - we are definitely talking about genAI, not AI generally. AI has been around for decades and the neural networks that power them have had enormous benefits. It's marketed to niche areas where it serves a specific purpose. Great! Meanwhile genAI is glitzy, but it's also power hungry and sold to billions around the world. Power hungry x consumers = the planet burns. Or if that's an over-dramatisation, then here's a fact - three genAI advocates (Google, Microsoft and most recently Meta) have re-started three separate large-scale nuclear programs to power genAI.

2. genAI is incredibly inaccurate. I could go on, but that's the crux of it. It lies. All the time. Convincingly. And yet we're meant to rely on code it produces? Or excel functions? Or financial forecasts? Oh, we're not and we have to check everything ourselves? Yep, but then where's the efficiency gains? Turns out, there aren't any - go read that article I've mentioned twice in this thread already.

3. genAI is front-loaded on price. We're not paying the correct amount of money to use it. The genAI companies are losing BILLIONS when they offer this service. That's not sustainable, so what's the catch? I have theories, but honestly can't be arsed speculating here.

4. Until your comment, dziadulewicz, no-one would be crazy enough to suggest that genAI is going to enrich our lives soooo much that we'll actually have more free time to spend with family or donate our time to worthy causes. That's absurd. If people have more free time as a result of this AI "boom", it's because they've been fired from their job. This isn't a golden age of productivity and happiness. It's a bleak, sharp downturn in employment worldwide. That usually leads to several unpleasant trends: increased crime, decreased mental health, decreased life expectancy, etc.

I think I'm gonna unsub from this discussion though. It's pretty clear that most of us have already made up our minds on genAI. The next 24-36 months will see it swing one way or another, I think.

Wild response or not, whole concept of "work life" is about to change. GenAI, AI, whatever AI. We're talking about AI, yes.

It's obvious that AI as a tool frees times already. Whether ppl turn it into pure free time is of course debatable. Inside many modern people is this programmed (early in life) code: "gotta gotta gotta".

There will be no human bus and cab drivers much longer in "developed countries". AI can be an extension to our own goals and even history. Modern brain can only take so much, and the information flood has made masses quite exhausted mentally, noticed or not. For example ancient hieroglyphs forgotten languages have been deciphered by AI in moments, whereas the human way would have taken years or even decades to reach the same (to make it readable for modern ppl). Factories? Certainly no need for "machine maintainers and button pushers" for much longer. It is "sad" that people lose these jobs, but it has happened before. Just have to find something else to make that buck (i suggested humanitarian work all around the world).

Also my message "freaked out" right off the bat as did ssj17vegeta's (though he talked about coding, same essence: human coding can be "replaced" (read: aided). This freaking out is because this is a sensitive subject and scary to those who assume that world will go on about unchanged in its lines for eternity. The truth is that people are simply just not "needed" on many areas of mechanical society anymore. Simple things and "jobs" automate increasingly and "just work".

Also hey: we're not talking the very now, this is just a beginning in "progress" if someone wants to call it that. It is here to stay and indeed is irreversible. We (or some of us) did this to ourselves to effect whole human collective. Now in this very beginning we can see huge impact:

Amazon is laying off approximately 14,000 corporate employees as part of organizational changes aimed at reducing bureaucracy and reallocating resources, particularly towards AI initiatives.

Especially such stuff as "bureaucracy" is definitely handled much more efficient in future by an automated and versatile AI-algorhithm than mentally tired over caffeinated office "workers". Why are they sitting there all day every day, indeed wasting their life, in the first place. I indeed see this as a chance to get that free time available more if individuals even aim for that. Monetary system itself then again, is a whole 'nother matter (problem). Natural resources (and those which are considered scarce, after research - are definitely not) are there with or without our printed moneys or screen moneys you know.