Fedora proposal put forward to improve "production stability and incident management"

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Quoting: dpanterYou might be interested in Siduction then.

What would you (personally) say is a strength of going for Siduction over normal sid?

Af far as I know atm the only thing over normal sid is updated Nvidia Drivers as the drivers in normal sid are still quite old. as the rest of the packages they have in their extra and fixes repos are quite old tbh

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Quoting: Cloversheen

Quoting: dpanterYou might be interested in Siduction then.

What would you (personally) say is a strength of going for Siduction over normal sid?

Af far as I know atm the only thing over normal sid is updated Nvidia Drivers as the drivers in normal sid are still quite old. as the rest of the packages they have in their extra and fixes repos are quite old tbh

Then you don't know. :huh:

Siduction is Debian sid + extra goodness. Siduction has in repo stuff like mesa-git, day1 kernel builds with more desktop oriented options than stock sid, even rc kernels. When sid was slacking a while back, the crew rolled their own firmware packages from git. At various points in time we've had nice things in repos like Nvidia beta drivers and corectrl - note that times change and not many in the team use Nvidia these days (pro hint: use cuda repo) and of course corectrl is more or less dead now. Also lots of nice to have stuff for tinkerers, like the awesome chroot-helper tool included in the live iso and a comprehensive manual.

Siduction is imho the ultimate Debian distro (for gamers especially) and has a friendly community.

Note: you are expected to know your way around Linux and Debian, this is not a distro for rookies.

Quoting: dpanter

Quoting: tohur

Quoting: Cloversheen

Quoting: dpanterYou might be interested in Siduction then.

What would you (personally) say is a strength of going for Siduction over normal sid?

Af far as I know atm the only thing over normal sid is updated Nvidia Drivers as the drivers in normal sid are still quite old. as the rest of the packages they have in their extra and fixes repos are quite old tbh

Then you don't know. :huh:

Siduction is Debian sid + extra goodness. Siduction has in repo stuff like mesa-git, day1 kernel builds with more desktop oriented options than stock sid, even rc kernels. When sid was slacking a while back, the crew rolled their own firmware packages from git. At various points in time we've had nice things in repos like Nvidia beta drivers and corectrl - note that times change and not many in the team use Nvidia these days (pro hint: use cuda repo) and of course corectrl is more or less dead now. Also lots of nice to have stuff for tinkerers, like the awesome chroot-helper tool included in the live iso and a comprehensive manual.

Siduction is imho the ultimate Debian distro (for gamers especially) and has a friendly community.

Note: you are expected to know your way around Linux and Debian, this is not a distro for rookies.

Sid pretty much has latest mesa and who wants to run meas-git as if theres gona be breakage its in the git build. Also LACT is pretty much the replacement for Corectrl as far as GPUs go. Also I know they provide grub-btrfs but even having the snapshots the annoyances of the typical sid breakage gets annoying.

Quoting: dpanterSiduction is Debian sid + extra goodness. Siduction has in repo stuff like mesa-git, day1 kernel builds with more desktop oriented options than stock sid, even rc kernels. When sid was slacking a while back, the crew rolled their own firmware packages from git. At various points in time we've had nice things in repos like Nvidia beta drivers and corectrl - note that times change and not many in the team use Nvidia these days (pro hint: use cuda repo) and of course corectrl is more or less dead now. Also lots of nice to have stuff for tinkerers, like the awesome chroot-helper tool included in the live iso and a comprehensive manual.

Siduction is imho the ultimate Debian distro (for gamers especially) and has a friendly community.

Note: you are expected to know your way around Linux and Debian, this is not a distro for rookies.

I will check it out on my secondary computer. :grin:

It took them 43 releases to realise they needed more formal testing procedures? Wow, that's rather amateur to put it mildly.

It took them 43 releases to realise they needed more formal testing procedures? Wow, that's rather amateur to put it mildly.

And Fedora 1 wasn't really a new distro, it was technically just a new Red Hat Linux release under a new name.
Also now that I think about, when I first read about it it didn't mean anything to me (and tbh I don't really remember what they said), but now it sounds like it was probably one of those greedy "we're locking our distro behind a paywall, but don't worry, you can still use our beta quality stuff" 😅

Quoting: fenglengshunWell I'm already moving everything to NixOS anyways. Kinda crazy that you need a specific SIG for stability and that it wasn't already a priority. Kinda tells you their mindset, especially with the constant move to new things even when it isn't even ready for half the users yet.

If you're fine with that, then Fedora is still a good distro to use, but personally I just don't vibe with it anymore. I am more of a Bazzite user, but it is similarly an Agenda first distro and I just don't vibe with their latest agendas.

Similar to how Bazzite swapped out the software center without alerting the typical users of Bazzite to the new alternative. Sure there may have been a forum thread on it, in the their official discord too but a simple pop-up would have been appreciated by the type of ' new to linux user' who uses it rather than leaving them completely in the dark on how to install new software .. i mean its not 1995 anymore we don't tend to use CD's to install programs anymore.

Folks that use Bazzite as a gaming distro on their PC are probably not locked into the developmental nerd element of linux distro's .. i.e typical non techy gamers who want a 'gamer OS' who probably are moving away from windows, for whom Bazzite is primarily aimed at.

Are some distro's are more agenda driven than others ? I suppose each project has their own management team and their idealistic view of how their distro will operate. I tend to avoid those that stick to a more 'Apple like' philosophy, they tend to dislike constructive criticism and almost never backtrack on a bad idea.

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Quoting: LoftySimilar to how Bazzite swapped out the software center without alerting the typical users of Bazzite to the new alternative. Sure there may have been a forum thread on it, in the their official discord too but a simple pop-up would have been appreciated by the type of ' new to linux user' who uses it rather than leaving them completely in the dark on how to install new software .. i mean its not 1995 anymore we don't tend to use CD's to install programs anymore.

Folks that use Bazzite as a gaming distro on their PC are probably not locked into the developmental nerd element of linux distro's .. i.e typical non techy gamers who want a 'gamer OS' who probably are moving away from windows, for whom Bazzite is primarily aimed at.

Are some distro's are more agenda driven than others ? I suppose each project has their own management team and their idealistic view of how their distro will operate. I tend to avoid those that stick to a more 'Apple like' philosophy, they tend to dislike constructive criticism and almost never backtrack on a bad idea.

Honestly, Bazaar isn't a bad idea. But the rushed implementation (while it has major issues) AND removal of the normal GUI app installer for the DEs just soured me on it. I reviewed the app on one of the ublue threads and I'll admit I'm more harsh on it because it is shoved in my mouth like that.

I will still recommend them for new users, but I'll always mention Nobara and CachyOS as well, while personally using NixOS. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth as I left Windows due to them forcing stuff down my throat - yes, Bazzite and ublue isn't disgusting like Microsoft and Windows, but I left Windows out of spite and principle of "let me embrace new things when I want to." It's pretty much the same thing here.