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Windows 10 S might alarm Valve into boosting SteamOS again

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You might have heard of Microsoft's latest plans (source) to keep people on their own store, with a locked down Windows 10 S mode to be available on all versions of Windows. This is easily a first step towards Windows 10 S being the first version of Windows that users see.

Windows 10 S is essentially a version of Windows 10 that's locked into the Windows Store with Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps, so you can't really run traditional applications like Steam and so on.

This goes directly back to how Gabe Newell of Valve and plenty of other developers felt about Windows 8. With Newell saying "I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space.". There's also Croteam CTO Alen Ladavac who wasn't too pleased with it either, he's now tweeted about this latest issue from Microsoft to say " 'I told you so' doesn't quite cut it. :P". Ladavac also said in a reply "Think about it - if apps need to be adapted for UWP, it might be wiser to just adapt them for OSX/Linux instead.".

It makes sense too, if Microsoft is determined to make Windows more locked-down over time, that's not really good for anyone. Actually investing into Linux gaming, where you have far more control opens you up to many more opportunities.

Apparently, Windows 10 S can be upgraded to a "normal" version of Windows 10 Home for free, but the problem is that Microsoft has said around 60% don't even bother to do the upgrade keeping them locked into the Windows Store.

I hope Valve is keeping an eye on this, and it should certainly make Linux and SteamOS quite attractive again for them. There's good reasons why Valve has kept SteamOS around and plans like this from Microsoft (even if they fall through) will happen again and again. If Microsoft fail, they will wait a while and try it another way.

How long will it be until you have to pay to upgrade to Windows 10 Home, how long before the Home edition doesn't exist? Many questions—questions which should probably alarm people.

Thanks for the tip kellerkindt. Note: Article intro updated after publishing to better reflect my own point.

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14 3 years 6 February 2018 at 5:47 pm UTC
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liamdaweDid you read the source? It previously was a separate SKU, now it's going to be included with all versions of Windows.

That doesn't change my opinion about it. That's a change of distribution method.

liamdaweI literally have no idea what "slash-dot-ie" is even supposed to mean.
I was referring to the https://slashdot.org/ website, where the quality of news posts greatly varies since it's open to all to post.

liamdaweEditorials are opinion pieces, it's from my personal perspective and meant as a talking point, do keep that in mind folks. If you don't agree, that's fine

Sure, and that's what I was doing -- talking about the point.
burningserenity 7 February 2018 at 6:28 am UTC
So with Win32 eventually phased out, will WINE be the easiest way to run legacy Windows programs?

With Electron being pushed so much, won't it just be easier to make everything cross platform?

With game streaming services, will any gamer's chosen OS matter anymore?

Finally, what about the Windows Linux subsystem? Can I pay $150 or whatever to have Windows stripped down to just the terminal running OpenSUSE or Ubuntu?

I honestly never can tell with those Microsoft folks.
qptain Nemo 7 February 2018 at 10:29 am UTC
burningserenitySo with Win32 eventually phased out, will WINE be the easiest way to run legacy Windows programs?
It's already becoming that. I keep hearing reports of games not running well on latest versions of Windows which I have no trouble running in Wine at all.
BOYSSSSS 7 February 2018 at 11:01 am UTC
I use Outlook.live.com and there's this beta version with different design which I don't like, but all of a sudden the old version which I use started getting buggier and buggier, for instance there are emails that I can't delete (I delete 3 emails but when I go to the Recycle bin they are not there and I go back to the inbox they are there again) and I need to switch to the beta version to delete them, or when I check one email the second email I check doesn't want to scroll and when I try to click on a link I am shown another email as if I wasn't looking at the email but at the inbox. That bug doesn't happen on the beta version.
If Microsoft wants you to use something they will force you to use it one way or the other.
pb 7 February 2018 at 6:47 pm UTC
qptain Nemo
burningserenitySo with Win32 eventually phased out, will WINE be the easiest way to run legacy Windows programs?
It's already becoming that. I keep hearing reports of games not running well on latest versions of Windows which I have no trouble running in Wine at all.

I wouldn't be surprised if CodeWeavers had CrossOver for Windows on their back burner.


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Mohandevir 8 February 2018 at 1:39 pm UTC
If you are looking for a proof that Microsoft is buying Valve... Not!

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Daniel-Joins-Valve-Driver
Grazen 8 February 2018 at 11:59 pm UTC
qptain Nemo
GrazenHere is a link discussing WCOS:

https://www.windowscentral.com/understanding-windows-core-os-and-polaris

Note that WCOS is not Windows S.
That is hilarious. They're literally selling... Linux. The Linux paradigm. All the best Linux features. (Closed platform bits aside) Brilliant.

That's exactly what I think!
pete910 9 February 2018 at 9:47 am UTC
Grazen
qptain Nemo
GrazenHere is a link discussing WCOS:

https://www.windowscentral.com/understanding-windows-core-os-and-polaris

Note that WCOS is not Windows S.
That is hilarious. They're literally selling... Linux. The Linux paradigm. All the best Linux features. (Closed platform bits aside) Brilliant.

That's exactly what I think!

Agreed, To me it looks like MS are going to make a Win distro basically.
BlackBloodRum 9 February 2018 at 5:45 pm UTC
pete910Agreed, To me it looks like MS are going to make a Win distro basically.

Drop the NT kernel, insert GNU/Linux kernel, drop the company that owns it (Microsoft), insert Linux Foundation as owners, replace the UI with XFCE, open source it and you got a new user!
appetrosyan 9 February 2018 at 10:49 pm UTC
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webcreatureI disagree! When the propriator of the one OS that is pre-installed on almost every sold gaming ready PC, decides to pre configure this OS to a default that makes Steam incompatible, and when the user has to change that configuration against warnings that tell him this step might be dangerous, then a big percentage of mostly new users will not do that. And that will shrink the user-base potential for Steam, not actual numbers of course.
OR.. people decide to use an alternate OS instead, which I'd like very much of course.. Do you believe in it?

"pre-installed on almost every sold gaming ready PC"

That's the case, they can't do that. That's bad business. That's exactly why Windows 10 S is not the choice for gaming or production, because it's not intended to run all the games and it's not commercialised as one. Same goes for ChromeOS, Android etc. It's much like how people were asking "How the hell SteamOS will replace Windows" in the early days and got the most obvious answer: It's not intended to do that. S Mode itself is not a profitable way of selling gaming ready PCs, since consumer is not always the idiot, but it's a good way of ripping off people.

There's absolutely no possible future in which Microsoft won the gaming industry by such a move. It's just plain dumb. You can't just force an incompatible OS in a market that demands a compatible OS. That won't force people to buy things from their Stores, it will force consumer away from Microsoft and Windows. To Mac and Linux, mainly.

I'm not trying to justify their point here. Just telling people: SteamOS and Windows 10 S or Windows 10 S Mode or whatever stupid thing they could put forward has no relevance at all.

Spoken like someone who knows business. Seriously though, they won't go that route, as they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. And Valve are still not pushing Steam OS, as they're likely waiting for the Wayland Conundrum to finally wear down and get to work.
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