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... and Stallman does it his own way:
wvstolzing commented on 23 October 2018 at 3:23 pm UTC

Stallman announced the 'GNU Kind Communication Guidelines' yesterday:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnu/2018-10/msg00001.html

The guidelines are listed here:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html

Dedale commented on 23 October 2018 at 4:10 pm UTC

Well, at least this one seems to be displaying some modicum of intelligence.

The best one is from SQLite though.

GustyGhost commented on 25 October 2018 at 2:51 am UTC

The wild west approach still produces the best results though.

tuubi commented on 25 October 2018 at 7:49 am UTC

GustyGhostThe wild west approach still produces the best results though.
Citation needed. And even if that were true, here's some food for thought: Wars push technology forward by leaps and bounds (and are good for business). Does that mean we should all want to live in a war zone? Or does it not matter as long as you're safe? Extreme example, but valid analogy I think.

Guppy commented on 26 October 2018 at 4:16 am UTC

It seems well though out, but there are two parts of it that irks me;

1)
"to suggest that others use nonfree software opposes the basic principles of GNU, so it is not allowed in GNU Project discussions"

iirc Stallman has been quote vocal about free meaning 'provide source or gtfo'[paraphrased], to stymie the discussion like that has the effect of creating an echo chamber. I get they don't want trolls popping by going "use windoze l0z0r!" but to for instance being baned from suggesting using closed source drivers...


2)
That foot note.. I mean I do get the intent, but it's even stupider than the whole "gnu/linx" thing -.- We've been using "he" as a gener neutral noun for donkeys ages and to the best of my knowledge no man has felt emasculated by this. But now suddenly there are people who've grown up so swaddled in cotton that the real world with all it's sharp edges and imperfections is a place of danger and personal affront, so the world had better damn well change to their tune..
Also using "zhey" there is just no way not to have the entire thing suddenly come out in a terrible German accent ala. Herr Flick from allo-allo xD

Dedale commented on 26 October 2018 at 8:16 am UTC

I confess i skipped that pronouns part. I shouldn't have because it has potential for comical effect. And yeah, RMS being a FOSS zealot won't surprise anyone.

I always though zhey was an horrible French accent. I feel less alone now.

dvd commented on 26 October 2018 at 9:02 am UTC

Stallman was/is quite vocal about free NOT meaning open source (eg. source or gtfo), but open source rather being only a part of free.

I'm always surprised by people hating on Stallman and the free software movement here, some even going so far as to deny the fact that if it wasn't for him, the free software community wouldn't exist. I get that many people (including me) are not perfect, and use blobs or other non-free software, but why should the promotion of non-free software be allowed in a project that has a mission of opening up computing to anyone?

In my opinion the driver situation has gotten worse - it used to be that one could boot up a system without using blobs, now the much praised AMD hardware can't even boot up without the non-free blob installed. My last 3 installations i had to boot back to the installation media as the computer was unable to display even the text session.

Also, if all the "triggered" people here read the note, he personally suggested using the word person, which is a reasonable alternative until getting "triggered" by pronouns gets out of vogue on both sides of the "issue".

tuubi commented on 26 October 2018 at 9:17 am UTC

dvdAlso, if all the "triggered" people here read the note, he personally suggested using the word person, which is a reasonable alternative until getting "triggered" by pronouns gets out of vogue on both sides of the "issue".
He actually suggest using "person" or "perse" as a pronoun. That doesn't solve any problem IMHO, and the fact that "perse" is a rather crude word for ass in Finnish makes it a bit funny for me and my compatriots.

Also who's triggered? The comments seems quite calm to me, maybe apart from your own. I don't see any evidence of "hating on" Stallman either. No need to polarize the issue.

Dedale commented on 26 October 2018 at 9:38 am UTC

dvdbut why should the promotion of non-free software be allowed in a project that has a mission of opening up computing to anyone?

(...)

Because censorship is useless ? I like FOSS, i just do not want to boycott proprietary software. If i participated in a FOSS project and people started to nag me because i speak about the (proprietary) games i play on my beloved Linux, i'd go do something else with less religious people.

I am using computers, not joining a cult. And i do not have the impression that people "hate" Stallman. They just do not follow him in everything he says, even if they like him, and that is very well that way.

dvd commented on 26 October 2018 at 10:19 am UTC

Dedale
dvdbut why should the promotion of non-free software be allowed in a project that has a mission of opening up computing to anyone?

(...)

Because censorship is useless ? I like FOSS, i just do not want to boycott proprietary software. If i participated in a FOSS project and people started to nag me because i speak about the (proprietary) games i play on my beloved Linux, i'd go do something else with less religious people.

That's just a strawman.

I don't know how your beloved Fortnite or CS:GO would come up in 'GNU Project discussions'. Also, it is perfectly reasonable that such projects demand that they need no blobs or proprietary software to work. They are not revoking anyone's licence to publish open source stuff that relies on non-free software, they just say (quite rightly) that anyone promoting non-free software should GTFO and do it outside the scope of the GNU project.

dvd commented on 26 October 2018 at 10:37 am UTC

tuubi
dvdAlso, if all the "triggered" people here read the note, he personally suggested using the word person, which is a reasonable alternative until getting "triggered" by pronouns gets out of vogue on both sides of the "issue".
He actually suggest using "person" or "perse" as a pronoun. That doesn't solve any problem IMHO, and the fact that "perse" is a rather crude word for ass in Finnish makes it a bit funny for me and my compatriots.

Also who's triggered? The comments seems quite calm to me, maybe apart from your own. I don't see any evidence of "hating on" Stallman either. No need to polarize the issue.
tuubi
dvdAlso, if all the "triggered" people here read the note, he personally suggested using the word person, which is a reasonable alternative until getting "triggered" by pronouns gets out of vogue on both sides of the "issue".
He actually suggest using "person" or "perse" as a pronoun. That doesn't solve any problem IMHO, and the fact that "perse" is a rather crude word for ass in Finnish makes it a bit funny for me and my compatriots.

Also who's triggered? The comments seems quite calm to me, maybe apart from your own. I don't see any evidence of "hating on" Stallman either. No need to polarize the issue.

Of course, because this shit is not on all forms of social media, where all the right and left wing nutters take turns expressing their outrage over "pronouns". And it is now exported on GoL too. Reading and watching this shit prop up for years is not so much fun especially as you can't even escape it in real life now, fascist propaganda is omnipresent these days...

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