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Title: Star Wars Outlaws. lol

Linux_Rocks 8 Sep 2024

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I find the idiot trolls sad. Not just cause of the disgusting sexism and other bullshit, but also cause they make any actual legit criticism about the "artistic direction" with the main character's looks impossible. It's the same with any other game characters who look questionable. The typical case of a few people ruining things for everyone else. Not all criticisms are toxic or some delusional lunatic conspiracy theory.

But I'm sorry, Humberly González should be annoyed with how the character [looks](http://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKwBqW-WoAAnLLV.jpg). They turned a glamorous woman into yet another generic whitewashed freckled face greaseball. Using skin issues as a fake means of supposed graphical fidelity. Though at least this time she doesn't look like a trailer trash redneck and/or a cavewoman. (When I say cavewoman, I literally mean just that and not anything about "masculinity" or whatever. It's a face value criticism and that's it.)

All they needed to do for Kay Vess is literally just give Humberly González ["Farrah Fawcett hair"](http://i.pinimg.com/originals/7e/16/18/7e1618dda3a80812364c782d16813659.jpg) and she'd have fit just fine into the neverending late '70s/early '80s of the Star Wars Original Trilogy era. (Even as a "scoundrel" or whatever.) By doing what they did to the character, they also arguably muted her Latina background (not just her femininity). Which is in itself a shame, cause that sorta more clear representation for Latinas would've been great in the game.

The character herself as a person seems great though. All the more reason why this is troubling. The fact that male characters aren't drastically changed either just adds fuel to the fire of the idiots too. My criticism of the character and others like her has nothing to do with objectification. I don't want Dead or Alive girls in all games. My criticism is legit disappointment and/or disgust. Not just cause of poor artistic direction either, but also cause of what I honestly think feels like the ["uncanny valley"](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley) at times with them as well.

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whizse 9 Sep 2024

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I came here thinking this would be a post about some sort of Star Wars mod for the old LucasArts Outlaws... :tongue:

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Linux_Rocks 9 Dec 2024

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Sorry to necro-bump this topic, [but this mod fixes the problem](http://www.nexusmods.com/starwarsoutlaws/mods/47) and it also provides other options. It's not perfect, but at least it's far better than the default character look and it allows customizations.

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Koopa 10 Dec 2024

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Haven´t played the game... but I can see your point definitely they whitewashed her.

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Liam Dawe 10 Dec 2024

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Seems like a lot of fuss over nothing to me. Why does the character in the game need to actually look as close as possible to the voice actress?

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Ehvis 10 Dec 2024

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Quoting: Liam DaweSeems like a lot of fuss over nothing to me. Why does the character in the game need to actually look as close as possible to the voice actress?

People are not having fun and it's easier to identify something relatively shallow than it is to figure out the true problem with "AAA disease".

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Linux_Rocks 10 Dec 2024

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Yeah, cause whitewashing hasn't been a problem in the past and criticizing poor artistic direction or gross looks is automatically being shallow.

AAA is the bigger picture problem though. I agree with that, but that's not what I was focusing on with this. I don't wanna play a game with a redneck looking character like Aloy or a game that mutes Latina looks or representation. That's just how I feel about it. Your mileage may vary and I'm glad that you like to play whatever you like to play.

You can say "just don't play it then" or whatever, but that doesn't mean it isn't free of any criticism.

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Liam Dawe 10 Dec 2024

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Quoting: Linux_RocksYeah, cause whitewashing hasn't been a problem in the past and criticizing poor artistic direction or gross looks is automatically being shallow.

I'm not seeing any whitewashing with the main character here? She very clearly has darker skin tones in the game?? Where's the whitewashing, I'm really confused.

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Linux_Rocks 10 Dec 2024

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Quoting: Liam Dawe
Quoting: Linux_RocksYeah, cause whitewashing hasn't been a problem in the past and criticizing poor artistic direction or gross looks is automatically being shallow.
I'm not seeing any whitewashing with the main character here? She very clearly has darker skin tones in the game?? Where's the whitewashing, I'm really confused.

Maybe it's just perception? The muting of her Latina looks makes it look whitewashed. The character just looks like a tanned white woman and she doesn't look Latina anymore. At least that's how I feel and I've seen Latino gamers say the same thing too.

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Liam Dawe 10 Dec 2024

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Quoting: Linux_Rocks
Quoting: Liam Dawe
Quoting: Linux_RocksYeah, cause whitewashing hasn't been a problem in the past and criticizing poor artistic direction or gross looks is automatically being shallow.
I'm not seeing any whitewashing with the main character here? She very clearly has darker skin tones in the game?? Where's the whitewashing, I'm really confused.
Maybe it's just perception? The muting of her Latina looks makes it look whitewashed. The character just looks like a tanned white woman and she doesn't look Latina anymore. At least that's how I feel and I've seen Latino gamers say the same thing too.

Ah, that side of it I could potentially understand. But I think that would go under a different term.

That said, I don't really believe that someone's real-life race necessarily has to be presented in the game they voice, unless that's specifically part of the role. I know plenty will probably feel differently.

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Linux_Rocks 10 Dec 2024

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Quoting: Liam Dawe
Quoting: Linux_Rocks
Quoting: Liam Dawe
Quoting: Linux_RocksYeah, cause whitewashing hasn't been a problem in the past and criticizing poor artistic direction or gross looks is automatically being shallow.
I'm not seeing any whitewashing with the main character here? She very clearly has darker skin tones in the game?? Where's the whitewashing, I'm really confused.
Maybe it's just perception? The muting of her Latina looks makes it look whitewashed. The character just looks like a tanned white woman and she doesn't look Latina anymore. At least that's how I feel and I've seen Latino gamers say the same thing too.
Ah, that side of it I could potentially understand. But I think that would go under a different term.

That said, I don't really believe that someone's real-life race necessarily has to be presented in the game they voice, unless that's specifically part of the role. I know plenty will probably feel differently.

My bad for the confusion and not explaining it better. I also just expect the worst from evil corporations. Plus with the large uptick in anti-Latino/anti-immigrant bigotry and xenophobia here in the US. It makes it even more important, I think.

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Liam Dawe 10 Dec 2024

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Quoting: Linux_Rocks
Quoting: Liam Dawe
Quoting: Linux_Rocks
Quoting: Liam Dawe
Quoting: Linux_RocksYeah, cause whitewashing hasn't been a problem in the past and criticizing poor artistic direction or gross looks is automatically being shallow.
I'm not seeing any whitewashing with the main character here? She very clearly has darker skin tones in the game?? Where's the whitewashing, I'm really confused.
Maybe it's just perception? The muting of her Latina looks makes it look whitewashed. The character just looks like a tanned white woman and she doesn't look Latina anymore. At least that's how I feel and I've seen Latino gamers say the same thing too.
Ah, that side of it I could potentially understand. But I think that would go under a different term.

That said, I don't really believe that someone's real-life race necessarily has to be presented in the game they voice, unless that's specifically part of the role. I know plenty will probably feel differently.
My bad for the confusion and not explaining it better. I also just expect the worst from evil corporations. Plus with the large uptick in anti-Latino/anti-immigrant bigotry and xenophobia here in the US. It makes it even more important, I think.

Fair enough! I can agree representation is important overall!

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Ehvis 11 Dec 2024

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Quoting: Linux_RocksYeah, cause whitewashing hasn't been a problem in the past and criticizing poor artistic direction or gross looks is automatically being shallow.

It's about singling out a single part of what is part of a larger problem. In fact, I'm sure that if proper game design, art direction and narrative design would have lead to the same outcome, but in a fully cohesive and fun game, nobody would have cried about it. This problem is about the art of gaming making being disconnected from the business side. Singling out one aspect is very popular right now, but it's not helpful to the larger discussion.

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BlackBloodRum 11 Dec 2024

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Quoting: Liam Dawe
Quoting: Linux_Rocks
Quoting: Liam Dawe
Quoting: Linux_RocksYeah, cause whitewashing hasn't been a problem in the past and criticizing poor artistic direction or gross looks is automatically being shallow.
I'm not seeing any whitewashing with the main character here? She very clearly has darker skin tones in the game?? Where's the whitewashing, I'm really confused.
Maybe it's just perception? The muting of her Latina looks makes it look whitewashed. The character just looks like a tanned white woman and she doesn't look Latina anymore. At least that's how I feel and I've seen Latino gamers say the same thing too.
Ah, that side of it I could potentially understand. But I think that would go under a different term.

That said, I don't really believe that someone's real-life race necessarily has to be presented in the game they voice, unless that's specifically part of the role. I know plenty will probably feel differently.

I agree.

Acting is acting, the goal is to bring a character to life with acting, whether that's voice acting or otherwise. It's about making a good character, a believable character and a character people can enjoy (or hate, if that's the characters intended meaning.)

The race, sexuality or other factors of the character don't need to be the main focus unless that is part of the story. If the character's voice actor happens to be a different race than the character and they can bring the character to life anyway, then the voice actor is doing a good job and their race should not be used to judge said character or actor.

A good actor makes themselves disappear and leaves you only with the character.

After all, truly being inclusive is to include without requirements or judgement. You cannot be inclusive by being exclusive.

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Salvatos 13 Dec 2024

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I don’t really see the connection either. Most boys (and, well, children in general) in animation are voiced by adult women. I don’t see people complaining that those characters should look like their VA. If voice actors had to look the part, they wouldn’t get a lot of work... or character designs would get repetitive real quick.

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