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if a game is Steam Deck Playable at least (or higher like Verified), it will also be SteamOS Compatible

I imagine at some point soon, this will need to diverge. As I recall, there are some games that are flagged as Unsupported on Steam Deck, due to "graphics settings cannot be configured to run well", or something similar, even though they have native Linux versions, or have good compatibility ratings on ProtonDB.

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Well, if I compile the game without Denuvo and that's literally the ONLY change made, and I get a performance difference on the same machine used to test, I think it's pretty safe to say that the cause of the discrepancy is indeed related to Denuvo.

You would think that...

That's right, I'm looking at you, ituneshelper.exe!

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if anyone dont know and tuubi as correct, game is clair obscur expedition 33

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what game is that?

I think it's Clair Obscur.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1903340/Clair_Obscur_Expedition_33/

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what game is that?

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That looks worth it for Hell Let Loose alone

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It wasn't that long ago we were at 10,000 and very soon I'm sure we'll see 20,000.

If you told me this as a Linux user 20 years ago I wouldn't believe we could have come so far so quickly. I was barely playing Counter Strike Source and BroodWar on Ubuntu with Beryl and Compiz.

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Very good. Thanks for this.

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So far only one of the games I'm interested in has been unplayable on Deck, and that is Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions which was already kinda shoddy on my windows computer and probably just isn't fixed due to it being delisted. I hope someday proton happens to fix its issues by coincidence, but otherwise its been smooth sailing.

@eev
Have you ever tried to run Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions on the Steam Deck? Sometimes, there are games listed as Unplayable that end up working fine and I've tried this on a couple of Unplayable games that I own on Steam.

Here's a video of someone getting it to work on the Steam Deck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqc-xve1Ay8

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So far only one of the games I'm interested in has been unplayable on Deck, and that is Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions which was already kinda shoddy on my windows computer and probably just isn't fixed due to it being delisted. I hope someday proton happens to fix its issues by coincidence, but otherwise its been smooth sailing.

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Last week, me and my friend finally proved the hypothetical scenario of Experimental breaking something to be truthful and significant, where before that we used to believe it's all fine, doesn't matter and it's better to stick to Experimental as default.

The issue was that for some reason playing games with Experimental would break Dualshock 4 support and games just don't respond to the gamepad inputs. Proton 9 doesn't have the issue. It was by sheer luck we found that the Proton version was the issue, I could imagine we would've been spending who knows how much time troubleshooting the issue otherwise.

Moral of the story: Do stick with the stable Proton(s).

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Nineteenthousand games. How am I ever going to choose what to play?

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​In my case still work using ernst ppa driver, now with vulkan 1.4.315

https://i.imgur.com/Gc6zwWK.png

https://i.imgur.com/Ntnn8f4.png

https://i.imgur.com/v6AENwr.png

in this game (obviously mostly know which game is) curiously dx12 give more benefits in my case, more smoothly frames (around 30fps) with upscalers stay around 50fps

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Considering that it appears this installment of DOOM doubles down on all the things I didn't really like from Eternal while slowing you down and forcing a defensive playstyle, I'm really feeling better and better about making this one into a Steam Summer Sale kinda purchase. In like, five years.

Still running a 5900X/RX6800XT combo on a 4K screen. AMD claims they don't plan to do a XX80 or XX90 series GPU with RDNA4 but I frankly don't believe it. At the very least we'll get a tweaked version of the XX70 series sometime next year.

Until then I'm still slogging through Eternal's DLC and honestly it's more of a chore than it is enjoyable.

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This is a heavily interactive web application, and JavaScript is required. Simple HTML interfaces are possible, but that is not what this is.

A pity it isn't. For some things, if not most, simple HTML interfaces would be perfectly sufficient, if it weren't for the "design" and of course, "telemetry".
All I'm getting is a blue butterfly, and that was that.

Your JavaScript is off, to use the BBCode options please turn it on. Commenting will still work without! :)

and thank you for that.

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It's like a mix of risk of rain 2 and evolva. Pretty fun, albeit the time limit mechanic gets rather annoying quickly I much prefer risk of rain's way of managing time.

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Meaty.

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I don't play Minecraft, so this is all seeming very weird to me. "Can't craft saddles" on its own just seems like a bad oversight, and like surely there's a mod for this, right? But then it's supposed to be OK because you . . . hunt for them? So like, you stealth up to a wild saddle and put an arrow through it before it can get away? Um, sure. Can you breed them? Catch some wild saddles and domesticate them, end up with a herd of saddles in your corral?

Mostly it was a cool new thing to search for when saddles were shiny and new, but I think making them craftable is a good move. Before if you wanted saddles then you had to go search or fish for them (regardless of if you wanted to do that or not), and if you didn't care about using them but liked exploring or fishing you eventually ended with a ton of them, all useless to you. Now people who want saddles can just craft them, and explorers can get more useful raw materials. (And yes, mods that made saddles craftable and ones that introduced ways to break them down into raw materials have both existed for over a decade now.)

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I went with a steam deck due to the first rate Linux support, Extra features, And solid battery. Many of these Windows handhelds are on paper more powerful but lack trackpads (which should be key for desktop control), and have worse performance on battery. Seems like gaming laptop situation where they are portable but need to be chained to an outlet.

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Screw Denuvo and all digital rights restrictions (DRM) systems. That said at least it's 24 hours, I've futzed with Proton versions but I don't think 5 in 24 hours. And remember, if Denuvo breaks or they shut down server or something, you paid for this game and it's your right to have a working copy, feel free to go to the high seas for it at that point.

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Even if you add a compile option to enable/disable your Deunvo integration (like is commonly done with Debug/Release builds), and you get a performance difference, all you know is that you have a performance difference, but crucially you don't know why.

Well, if I compile the game without Denuvo and that's literally the ONLY change made, and I get a performance difference on the same machine used to test, I think it's pretty safe to say that the cause of the discrepancy is indeed related to Denuvo.

Due to the way Denuvo is integrated in the game, what I don't know is if I integrated it in the best possible way and whether or not the performance impact can be lessened by moving some of the integrity checks elsewhere.

At the end of the day, it's pretty ridiculous of some people to claim that Denuvo doesn't impact performance. It executes complex code that without using Denuvo, would not get executed. The performance impact of such systems is always greater than zero. The big question is whether or not it is noticeable enough to be a problem.

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Judging by not being compatible with the older games saves nor mods, I would think those are on a new engine.

Now comes the question: are they as bugged as the originals? Because those are notorious for the amount of bugs they have.

The FAQ says no, but I am going to test a save file from the original games

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@Salavtos
We're currently trying to do community translation to French, but it would still be great to connect!

Feel free to add me on Discord (.zebulah)

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I know the BS Denuvo is spreading, but the latest example that comes to my mind is Jedi Survivor. It was just a terrible stutter test, totally unplayable, even on high end hardware, before they removed Denuvo.

It's the third game I personnally witness where there is a major performance/experience boost, when Denuvo is removed.

The thing is, it is not just a "Denuvo: On/Off" situation. While Denuvo is a complete product, you have to integrate it into your game. How you do that will affect the result. Even if you add a compile option to enable/disable your Deunvo integration (like is commonly done with Debug/Release builds), and you get a performance difference, all you know is that you have a performance difference, but crucially you don't know why.

They always hide this behind "other updates", but I've not seen such day an light difference, in other update contexts.

Releasing something to production is expensive and time consuming (for both developer and user), so you generally don't do it just to try one thing, and instead bunch several things into the new version.

If on the other hand there was a beta version that specifically is just to test Denuvo on/off, then that is a different matter, they are much cheaper to release and can contain just one specific fix.

(edit: for the record, I've not seen any convincing evidence that it actually works and delivers more revenue for the devs, so I don't advocate for denuvo in any context.)

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That's awesome! I am getting bored of keep playing Horizon Chase Turbo splitscreen. It's time to play NFS Most Wanted split screen, finally!

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Seems like a game you can sink your teeth into.

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@Mountain_Man

This is a common complaint, but as far as I know, it has never been conclusively proven. It's mostly just anecdotal with people seeing bad performance and blaming Denuvo because "This other game without Denuvo works just fine!" which is hardly definitive.


While this is still anecdotal, I heard people complain specifically about performance gains from using versions without denuvo on specific games (be that pirated copies which were able to remove denuvo, or official patches that removed drm altogether). Though, it may also depend on specific game and how it handles data loading from disk?

I know the BS Denuvo is spreading, but the latest example that comes to my mind is Jedi Survivor. It was just a terrible stutter fest, totally unplayable, even on high end hardware, before they removed Denuvo.

It's the third game I personnally witness where there is a major performance/experience boost, when Denuvo is removed. They always hide this behind "other updates", but I've not seen such day an night difference, in other update contexts.

1+1=2

Edit: Wrote Jedi Fallen Order... Wrong game.

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It seems when you reinstall a prefix from scratch, game drm often consider it a brand new PC so denuvo thinks your using it on multiple PC's.

It's all very backwards way of thinking and quite surprising denuvo still has this problem. I've known about it before and have hit it the issue once in the past.

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While this is still anecdotal, I heard people complain specifically about performance gains from using versions without denuvo on specific games

Yeah, pirated copies have been shown to have slightly higher framerates. There was also the Village debacle which caused massive stuttering and fps dips, but Denuvo claimed that it had been implemented incorrectly. Whatever.

I don't boycott Denuvo-encumbered games because of framerates or inconvenience. I boycott those games for two reasons:
1. The money used to buy Denuvo is astronomical and could have gone on Developer salaries, or Q&A work instead.
2. The publisher is treating me, their customer, like a criminal that can't be trusted.

That second point is the main reason. Publishers who choose Denuvo are basically saying "we don't trust our customers". Meanwhile, the people who pirate the game (once it's cracked) HAVE A BETTER EXPERIENCE. When a grey-market item is better than the paid-for experience, you know exactly what the seller thinks of you. You're scum, to them.

And so they're scum, to me.

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This game is excellent but I've some little stutters in the Steamdeck (at the start of each round), I wonder if it's some server or optimization issues.

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