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Quoting: GuestThese are Unity bugs you can work around. I made this post, which they then put in their FAQ :p

https://steamcommunity.com/app/650220/discussions/0/1471967529575193564/

The Unity bug is only part of it. I'll add the workaround to the article but my problems went beyond that. Tooltips like when you hover over techs or buildings are messed up and don't show stats or explanations. I was in contact with them around the initial launch and sent them screenshots, so they know what's up.

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In most roguelikes the runs are a lot shorter. You die, you learn, in short iterations. This game has very long iterations, that's the problem.

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This year is the year of the Linux Desktop, next year is the year of Stardew Valley multiplayer.

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Quoting: KuduzkehpanI'd argue there is no operating system that is any better.

Both sentences are same and false.

No, they are not. Operating systems are not the same as the idealistic systems you attach to them. You live in a monochrome fairytale world of absolutes.

Quoting: KuduzkehpanGnu/linux and its ecosystem are opposite of windows and its ecosystem.

Another overstatement. They're hardly opposites. Very different though.

Quoting: KuduzkehpanAlso communism and its ecosystem are opposite of capitalism and its ecosystem.

This doesn't prove that one is perfect and one is as as far from it as possible. The most prosperous (and I mean prosperous as in most stable and least unhappy) nations today seem to be ones practicing something between these extremes. In fact no nation has ever implemented pure communism or pure capitalism thus far, and I imagine it would be impossible to do so.

Quoting: KuduzkehpanAnd yes there is a good world we can create where privacy humanity and freedom(not freedom of 'you can buy any rights as you can afford) exist.

I believe we should strive to achieve something better as well, and be vocal about the injustices we see affecting not only us, but anyone and everyone.

Quoting: KuduzkehpanAnd thus who dont understands economics i recommend to read Das Capital (Karl Heinrich MARX)

Marx was a dreamer and an idealist. An intelligent and well read one, but a dreamer no less. But so were the fathers of capitalism and the free markets. I agree that an ideal society takes care of its every member and happiness should be the only measure of success, not something based on wealth. Communism doesn't solve that problem. It's an economic model that fails at the human scale, just like any other in existence today.

Can we get back on topic now? If you want to talk politics, we should probably take it to the forums. Personally I'm already bored with the subject.

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Great game, annoying store. Galaxy, grumble mumble...

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Quoting: WorMzyI am still not convinced that this game needs MP... still, it should appease the people who have demanded it since day one.

I'll give it a go with my girlfriend when it drops, and maybe I'll have a change of heart.

"Need?" Not really.

But for some demographics like couples it'll be a home run. I know so many couples who are excited to play SDV.

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I am still not convinced that this game needs MP... still, it should appease the people who have demanded it since day one.

I'll give it a go with my girlfriend when it drops, and maybe I'll have a change of heart.

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Looks like a fun game. I hope they fix these showstopper bugs.

Thanks for covering the game BTRE.

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QuoteI'd argue there's no economic system currently around that's any better though, because all of them tend to be based on flawed, simplistic models of societies where the human element and other critical factors are almost completely ignored. This goes for capitalism as well.

I'd argue there is no operating system that is any better.

Both sentences are same and false.
Gnu/linux and its ecosystem are opposite of windows and its ecosystem.
Also communism and its ecosystem are opposite of capitalism and its ecosystem. And yes there is a good world we can create where privacy humanity and freedom(not freedom of 'you can buy any rights as you can afford) exist.
And thus who dont understands economics i recommend to read Das Capital (Karl Heinrich MARX)

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I remember playing Terraria with a friend.
I recall we spent 12 hours one Saturday night mining the high level ores so we could prepare for a boss battle.

Well , I know where my Saturday nights are going.

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Quoting: Sir_DiealotWas it 60 hours on Captain Moogie alone or including the drowned dozen or so?

Either way, the problem I see is that you play for many hours only to lose it all. Except for what you remember. And do the same thing over again.

I can even see a certain appeal in the 'it's all in your head'-thing. It's just not enjoyable.

That's roguelikes in a nutshell.
I am also usually hesitant of them.
But if memory serves , Sunless Sea had an opt-out button.

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Was it 60 hours on Captain Moogie alone or including the drowned dozen or so?

Either way, the problem I see is that you play for many hours only to lose it all. Except for what you remember. And do the same thing over again.

I can even see a certain appeal in the 'it's all in your head'-thing. It's just not enjoyable.

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Quoting: STiATI did convert my grandmother to Linux. Her needs the OS and Applications fit perfectly well, so ye, that worked out (my grandmother is good in adopting to things too, and she's over 80).

I am fairily confident I could do the same with my Parents. I certainly couldn't with my Sister, my best friend (she's graphics designer) and a few other persons in my Family, because I know they use tools they'd miss.

We are not, and will not in the near future be anywhere close to taking a market share as Apple does, because yes, the users are using those tools and they'd miss it. It's not about the OS, the regular user couldn't care less. It's all about the applications.

Well, if in US there are more ChromeOS laptops, than GNU\Linux ones, does it mean, that ChromeOS provides more applications (tools), rather than GNU\Linux ones? I doubt it, because in almost every distro anyone could install Chrome and get all ChromeOS applications which are basically Chrome's extensions.
Marketing, indeed, has a very important role. I cannot buy a cheap laptop less $150 in my country, and portable laptops (11.6" or so, previous called netbooks) here cost $200. But any american student can buy Chromebook with $100 discount, so it will cost him $100 or more.
I think we should thank Google, that the company doesn't sell and promote their laptops almost nowhere else than US.
BTW, Chromebook in my language pronounced like Cripplebook.

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Quoting: manus76And with a quote from Adam Smith we might summarise the whole discussion about Apple: '...that I have fresh bread and rolls every morning is not because of the baker's goodwill, it's because of his greed' (or something to that effect, quoted from a failing memory).
I suggest we leave it at that and do not open this usual can of worms, it might turn too political and heated.

Here's another relevant quote from Adam Smith:

QuotePeople of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.

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If only they would fix the saves being spaced out wrong around 20 hours in.

I cant believe the map was designed on paper and never reworked. Running back and forth is such a waste of time never part of Super Metroid series due to tge elevators and proper map spacing of saves. Buying maps is lame too.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80Just go to any reddit forum that mentions the words Bethesda and linux. They are not going to remove DRM if anything I forsee companies spending more and more on it.

Then they shouldn't complain about piracy, since they are shooting themselves in the foot.

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Quoting: PitGOG is a game store. So it cannot be compared to others producing/developing games and game related software. Do you want a supermarket to have cows to produce milk? No, they bet milk from those that produce it and make it available to us. It cannot sell me stuff though that the producer doesn't want to distribute via the supermarket.

Gog was very late to support Linux version of games that already had Linux binaries. Even now lots of games with a Linux version everywhere else still do not have one on Gog. To be fair, most of these games were released on gog before they officially support Linux. They could do something for this issue but they do not. The same is sadly true for Galaxy which is supposed to be available soon for more than 2 years. I heard that Galaxy is even required for multiplayer on Gog for some games (Zombasite). This locks Linux gamers out.

Gog does a lot for DRM free, but far less than other general stores for Linux. Of course you're free to buy there, like you're free to buy Windows copies. I'm just saying that, people who wants to support Linux gaming should give their money in priority to companies (stores, devs, publishers) who are actively helping Linux gaming.

And yes Steam is DRM Full, that's sad. That's why I buy games in priority in Itch. But nobody can say honestly that Valve is not doing a great job at improving Linux gaming. Most of where we are now is because of Loki, the Humble Bundle and now Valve (and of course the amazing work of mesa, wine and a lot of free and open source project).

Like I said, you're free to buy whereever you like to. But you can't honestly say that Gog makes efforts to support Linux gaming. They re just doing the bare minimum. Just a simple silly question: how many games did Feral ported in the last 2 years? How many since Gog releaed Galaxy on MacOS? Do you really think that porting Galaxy om Linux requires so much time?

I would LOVE to see Gog support Linux. Gog is on Windows and Mac a great Store. But whereas windows and Mac users, we are only second class citizens on Gog. That's sad, but this is unfortunately true.

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Of course the meta-progression is all in your head. The meta-progression is knowledge-based and knowledge lives in your head. Lol

It's true that you carry little, if anything, over when you start a new heir, but you now know what options not to choose next time, or what items you need to gather before making a certain trip. It's the gamification of "what DOES kill me, makes me stronger." And it's the relative lack of randomness that creates this meta-progression.

I finished the game in about 60 hours without saving at all so I could get that achievement. It felt great once I realized that Captain Moogie actually had a shot at not dying the same horrible watery death that claimed the last dozen or so of his ancestors.

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Quoting: roothorickSaid it before, will say it again. OpenGL will quickly go the way of FORTRAN: only good for legacy code (but still a valuable skill because of legacy code). Developers leaving their GL codepaths to rot as they focus on Vulkan is just a sign of the times, and I personally don't see any issue with it.

I actually expect some people will try to make new high-level APIs implemented on top of Vulkan¹ to be the next OpenGL-level API, but more modern and sensible, some others will actually try to implement OpenGL-over-Vulkan² (similarly to the project of D3D9 on top of Vulkan – VK9 etc., and one of them will finally, after a dozen years or so, win and become the de-facto new standard with a reasonably large community.

But before that, I expect smaller teams to keep using OpenGL, and the bigger ones to sculpture their own things using Vulkan, D3D12 and Metal.

¹ Like nVidia’s VkHLF…
² There are attempts, but with virtually no activity for some time.

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I've been hearing complaints that they're just capitalizing on the "Sudden Strike" game, and have created something that's more casual and arcade-y.

This is the first video I've seen of the game... and I definitely see where they're coming from. I was a HUGE fan of Sudden Strike 2 (I never even got to try 3). 1 was a decent game, but from what I recall was more arcade-y.

To anyone who's played Blitzkrieg 1, I'd say that Blitzkrieg 1 and Sudden Strike 2 are fairly comparable in how technical they are.

Anyway, with that in mind... This doesn't look like a bad game at all. Not exactly what I was hoping for, but it certainly looks much more up my alley than CoH (although I do like CoH).

And it definitely seems to run quite well, which is a relief when it comes to Linux ports!

In fact, I think my biggest complaint is that they didn't keep some of the voice samples from Sudden Strike 2. :(

Can't wait to try it!

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Quoting: manus76

Quoting: Bergerac

Quoting: manus76And with a quote from Adam Smith we might summarise the whole discussion about Apple: '...that I have fresh bread and rolls every morning is not because of the baker's goodwill, it's because of his greed' (or something to that effect, quoted from a failing memory).
I suggest we leave it at that and do not open this usual can of worms, it might turn too political and heated.

That's fine in a competitive market where there are many bakers, but should one baker have a monopoly on the supply of wheat... your bread will most probably be stale, and most --certainly-- a lot more expensive.

And aren't there companies competing with Apple on basically all fronts? Samsung? Microsoft? Google?

My attitude is along the lines of 'provide me with ease of legally obtaining such things, don't gouge on the price, and I won't attempt to obtain your product for free.' A perfect example of this is HBO. I really wanted to watch Game of Thrones. I just simply couldn't do it unless A) I decided to fork over to a cable company tons of money for crap I'll never watch. B) Obtain the episodes illegally. They finally got a bit of a brain and released HBO Now. I paid for a subscription up until it stopped working on my Android phone because it was rooted, and the HBO Now web client stopped working on Linux.

Come to the current time; I canceled my HBO Now account through T-Mobile google, since the only source I could watch it on decently was my PS4 (and no I don't count watching Game of thrones on my 5.7" Note 4 or even my 12" Note Pro as decent). And now Amazon actually provides the option to subscribe to HBO, and Amazon Video pretty much works everywhere (Including Linux browsers).

Provide us with a legal way to obtain it, and we'll pay for it. Price point is important too, I mean if HBO Now was more than 15 a month, I wouldn't get it. There are 3 shows in total that I want to watch on it, I even ended up getting Showtime this way as well. Smartest thing these companies ever did, now I don't have to deal with 200 channels of bullshit just to watch something.

The funny thing about Pirating games though, much like HBO Now's DRM preventing it from working directly in Linux browsers, there have been so many cases where people would buy legitimate copies of games, only to have their computer lockup, become unstable, or kill their kitten because of some DRM that came with their game. When they would have saved time and effort and money if they'd just downloaded it. The publishers are so afraid of piracy, they ended up forcing some people to just so they could play a game they already paid for, so then they start doing that more, without paying for them.

About availability. That's no longer really the case, with digital stores, etc. But not too long ago when we had more platforms to choose from, stores were drying up left and right. They blamed Atari and Amiga disappearing due to piracy and no one wanted to buy software for them if they got it for free. Problem was, it was the ONLY way to get software for a long time. Any of the computer stores that carried it usually had a section that dwindled more and more every year, so once again people just stopped going to the store to see if anything was new, they just hit the BBS's.

Thank goodness for sites like this one where we get announcements that games came out, and we have access to just buy things from the comfort of our own homes.

Sorry for the rant, Game on!

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Quoting: Bergerac

Quoting: manus76And with a quote from Adam Smith we might summarise the whole discussion about Apple: '...that I have fresh bread and rolls every morning is not because of the baker's goodwill, it's because of his greed' (or something to that effect, quoted from a failing memory).
I suggest we leave it at that and do not open this usual can of worms, it might turn too political and heated.

That's fine in a competitive market where there are many bakers, but should one baker have a monopoly on the supply of wheat... your bread will most probably be stale, and most --certainly-- a lot more expensive.

And aren't there companies competing with Apple on basically all fronts? Samsung? Microsoft? Google?

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Said it before, will say it again. OpenGL will quickly go the way of FORTRAN: only good for legacy code (but still a valuable skill because of legacy code). Developers leaving their GL codepaths to rot as they focus on Vulkan is just a sign of the times, and I personally don't see any issue with it.

Quoting: etonbearsVulkan ( and D3D12 actually ) are properly supported only on Windows 10, but not other Windows versions. Eventually Vulkan will have broad WIndows support, so it will be interesting to see if D3D12 then gets a magic backport to older Windows versions.

Eh, not really. Nvidia and AMD have already backported their Vulkan implementations all the way back to Win7. I don't know about performance compared to Win10 but they're plenty fast measured in isolation.

DX12 is indeed restricted to Win10, however, and the response to this has been most developers continuing to support primarily if not exclusively DX11, even on Win10. X-Bone may require DX12, but the low-level nature of the API combined with the strictly fixed hardware means it takes far less effort to make a DX12 renderer tooled specifically for the console than it would to make a DX12 renderer targeting the PC. Thus, developers usually only use DX12 on the console, and opt for a single renderer backend on PC -- which is usually DX11.

I really hope that MS stubbornly clings to restricting DX12 to Win10; that would be a huge boon for us, pushing developers towards Vulkan, which would dramatically increase compatibility with Wine and make native ports easier. Their bullish disregard of complaints and concerns about Win10 suggests there's a good chance they will.

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I love Sunless Sea, despite its flaws. I have to agree that the very slow pace together with the harsh deaths are the major issue. You can save or basically scum your way out of death, but that's clearly not how the game was designed to be played. Let's compare it to Rgoue Legacy for the sake of argument. I'm not saying that Rogue Legacy is perfect, but it has some similarities. If you die, you start over with a new character, a heir.
A run in Rogue Legacy is typically a few minutes at most, while in Sunless Sea it is many hours.
Rogue Legacy has a ton of meta-progression, Sunless Sea has almost none, the only thing I would count is the sub mission that you don't need to re-do.
Everything else is per-character and only helps the direct heir, so afaik you could have one great captain and his heir could lose it all. So after playing Sunless Sea with a single captain for 20+ hours you can get items that allow you to transfer some stuff to the next captain. They cost a ton, so you're inclined not to get them. You'll more likely get something with immediate benefit rather than something you hopefully won't need. You are very likely to die very often before you get any of those items.
You'll repeat the same stuff over and over many times because only a small portion of the game is randomized. Then your captain dies and you basically start from scratch with the measly few bits the previous captain left you.
Rogue Legacy is far more random and there are tons of meta progression, giving your characters new abilities and stuff.
Unless you're very lucky or know how to make money quickly you'll have the same ship forever, because you won't make it long enough to get the tons of money for a new ship.
I could probably go on. I still love this game. It's not necessarily the lack of meta-progression that's the problem, I also love games with zero meta progression, like Dungeoncrawl Stone Soup, but there a run takes me a few minutes, not days.

The only meta-progression you have in Sunless Sea is in your head.

Thanks for letting me know of this. I'm glad they'll do early access on Linux and GOG.
I'll be one of their paying beta-testers.

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Years ago, when I was studying, I used to play KOL daily. It was great fun, and apparently still is, according to my wife and friends who still play. I plan on buying a copy as soon as it's released and I have some time on my hands.

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Quoting: NiavokHello, other developer here !

Quoting: Sir_DiealotNeat.
Oh, what's the flight model like? I loved the one in B5: I found her

The spaceships and projectiles physical model is only Newtonian : ships have a mass, few big engines and a lot of RCS. Rotation and translation are done with a combination of engine action, and without any engine action, the linear and angular velocity is constant.
As all engines are damageable, your reactivity decrease with damage and you can loose control on some degree of liberty if you loose the wrong thrusters.

When you play to Helium Rain (or see video) you may think Helium Rain has a classical non realistic flight model, because the engine controller do a great job to simplify pilot life : when you don't give order, by default, the engine controller will kill rotation and lateral translation and try to keep the current forward velocity. When you rotate your ship, the engine controller will automatically use thrusters to rotate your prograde vector and keep it in front of you. A low velocity, it seem to behave like a plane, but if the velocity is too high (there is no real velocity limit in Helium Rain) or if you have damage, the engines won't be powerful enough so you will experience a lot of inertia.
At any time you can disable this behavior just pressing a key, during fight for example, to pass near target firing at it like a turret.

Thanks. I think that's quite similar. Accelerate to as fast as you want, but you need the same time to decellerate. That also meant that combat can become like jousting or strafe running.

I really have to suggest you try and make another video. The one linked here is not very exciting, it shows only a few in-game sequences but does not convey what the game is about or where it's strengths lie.

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Quoting: De1m0serror-message, some kind of SDL2 library missing. Opened the software-manager, type in "SDL2", an get about 20 results. ?? Which one do i need?? Get the first one. Press "install", and got a message, that a lot of libs will be removed, if i install that library. This was the part, where i gave up.

Actually, this is easy. Most of packages necessary for compiling have their names with "lib" at the beginning and "-dev" at the end (for Ubuntu and Mint). So, you probably needed libsdl2-dev.

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Quoting: Comandante ÑoñardoHow much this game costs in your country?
The GOG version of this game in Argentina costs 11.39U$D (including Event0 for free) and the Steam/itchio version, 19.99U$D...

...I just bought the GOG version, by the way.

19,99€ on Steam in Germany

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: Whitewolfe80I have seen it justified plenty of times on Reddit

Any examples? Linux users are generally supportive of developers who release for Linux. Anyway, as I said, instead of focusing on piracy itself (which probably will always exist in some form), developers can focus on positive stuff that can reduce it - removing DRM, being more open in their communication to have more direct relationship with the community, and so on. All that builds respect. I.e. it's the opposite of what legacy publishers are normally doing (DRM, complete distancing from the community and etc.). On average, I'd say Linux developers are doing a better job than usual in that. Good examples are companies like inXile, Obsidian and the like.

Just go to any reddit forum that mentions the words Bethesda and linux. They are not going to remove DRM if anything I forsee companies spending more and more on it. For every person that legit buys a copy on gog,all it takes is one guy/girl and it's up on a torrent.

Oh I grant you having a dialogue with the end users helps but there will always be that crowd and its not just on Linux, it's on Windows and Mac too. That just flat out refuse to pay for anything entertainment related. I get pirates are everywhere but when the Linux games market is so small (in comparison) anyone effecting the success of a port on linux is f**king us all over.

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Quoting: TheBardFeral is doing a lot for linux, buying on their store helps them, Valve is doing a lot too, helping them is helping us. Itch does support Linux too. And of course every developper store suppporting Linux is very nice too. But GOG? What do they do for Linux? Ignoring one of the most voted feature, having lots of Linux native games Win and Mac only. If GOG would have wanted to support Linux, they would have already resolved those issues. Why choosing a company where we are only second-class citizen over ones who treat us well?

GOG is a game store. So it cannot be compared to others producing/developing games and game related software. Do you want a supermarket to have cows to produce milk? No, they bet milk from those that produce it and make it available to us. It cannot sell me stuff though that the producer doesn't want to distribute via the supermarket. You have to live with that, it is (most of the time) not in their hands to decide to sell something.

GOG OTOH does support the idea behind Linux - freedom. What they sell to me is mine, and there's not a single further restriction after that. This is why I use GOG (and other DRM-free stores(*)). And why I will not use Steam. And don't care what Feral does.

(*) Sadly, quite some of them have closed by now. That is what Steam did for us. Thank you....

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