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The Humble Origin (EA) Bundle...Wait...What?!
By philip550c, 16 August 2013 at 5:51 pm UTC

scaineIt's only when DRM is used to assume that paying customers are actually criminals that I hugely object to it. Stallman is way off the mark here, living in an unrealistic bubble of a vision of the perfect world. He even asks us to share our internet connections without security, but when you get folk being arrested for downloading child porn when in fact it was just some dude sitting in his car outside your house with a laptop, you realise just how far off the mark he is. Great ideals, but with no bearing on how the real world works.
I agree but seems to me that Stallman is actually pro pedophilia and child porn, so for him that's a non issue. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#On_sex

The Humble Origin (EA) Bundle...Wait...What?!
By Hamish, 16 August 2013 at 5:48 pm UTC

Thank you for the writing critique, nightmarex, because ultimately that is all there really is to your post. The fact you find them to be rants comes across as interesting to me, as when I was still in high school my English teacher kept complaining how my writing lacked voice. Well, if I can dredge up such a response as this, I guess I have found my voice, even if it is one that fails to please you.

I also have to ask, if it is not my opinions or my passion that bothers you, what is it about how I write that has managed to create such a reaction? By using the word rant you seem to be complaining about the length of my posts, a format I have employed here due to my relative lack of computer time as I am still writing this all on a shared computer as my main machine is still down, and I have been spending most of my time for the past few days in more fruitful employment. You also say I act like a histrionic, or like a child, even though every thing I have written in my post is genuine to me, and I have wrote them in a manner consistent with adult public discourse, with no personal attacks, insults, or name calling. You say they are not constructive even though I have made my wishes plain and the alternative has already been realized before. Do you dislike the fact that I am actively promoting my own argument? Well, I am afraid the is what discussions are usually about.

Responding to your specific points on how to be a "constructive" person, I have already contacted Humble Bundle directly many times in the past and have received replies similar to what Liam got in this article. I have also taken other measures in the past to make my and other people's voices heard other than by just simply participating in the public discourse, which as s_d pointed out is a still very important part of being an advocate. I do also support Linux native and DRM free games with my wallet when I can, even though that is not all that large a pool of money to work with, and I have helped developers by providing useful feedback and even some technical support. By being an Editor and contributor to GoL, I help keep the work of Linux friendly developers visible, and I have even been involved in getting interested developers together with the industry professionals they need to get their games up and running on Linux.

Further, I never stated that you lacked passion. What I complained about, in broad general terms, was the tendency of some to attack those with passion because they find discordant voices disquieting or somehow personally offensive. By doing so they do promote apathy, a corrosive force for evil in this world by any stretch of the imagination. On this account I really do feel for RMS, as this is the main reason people attack him, and not that they dissagree with his views on any practical level. And the comment on KFC in this thread by another poster is actually one that is very childish, since it shows a flagrant and deliberate misunderstanding of what the poster is commenting about. Deliberate ignorance is acting like a child.

Moving on to the fair question posed to me by philip550c, while I do consider DRM free games to actually be more personally important to me than even Linux native ones, I would still be upset by this bundle even if it was DRM free as removing even one core aspect sullies the message that the bundles were supposed to be about. It would also show a flagrant lack of solidarity to support one platform over another when it comes to these bundles anyway. And if EA did eventually decide to release these games cross-platform and DRM free, I would just ask one question: why did they not put this effort into making their games suitable for a proper bundle in the first place?

Finally, my compliments to s_d for his well worded post. ;)

Gone Home a story exploration game On Steam, With Gameplay
By s_d, 16 August 2013 at 5:41 pm UTC

Great coverage Liam!  I'm super excited about this one.

One detail I'd like to add, it's also available DRM-free via the Humble Store widget on their site: http://www.gonehomegame.com/

n30p1r4t3But I like being attacked, stuck, and frustrated...
Haha, well, it is a graphic adventure game after all

Although, being attacked, stuck & frustrated were some of my most memorable early King's Quest and Space Quest experiences...  

The Chaos Engine available for Pre-Purchase on Steam
By Liam Dawe, 16 August 2013 at 5:00 pm UTC

Went straight onto my wishlist. Was either this or a pizza...I had to go with a pizza

The Humble Origin (EA) Bundle...Wait...What?!
By Shmerl, 16 August 2013 at 4:12 pm UTC

I think comfort wise, Steam definitely has a point. Besides the DRM aspect, incremental updates are a nice thing to have. Now, imagine a service which gives a comfort of easy updates, and has no DRM at the same time. I.e. for each update user can get a downloadable standalone patch and let's say for each update, newer package of the whole game can be made available, for those who don't want to deal with some version + tons of patches.

That's what the real service should be. Having this updating software as open source should be definitely a big plus, since some kind of stuff that messes around on your computer should be well trusted.

I suspect that GOG at present are working on this kind of service. Right now they offer DRM free downloads, but don't offer any easy way to manage updates. In order to compete with Steam they'll have to implement something of this sort, but preserving the DRM free nature of the whole catalog at the same time.

I'm not sure they are going to do that in the open source manner tough. However their API right now is not closed, so there are open source downloaders for GOG games: https://github.com/Sude-/lgogdownloader
Full updater however is a much bigger project. May be it's worth petitioning GOG in advance to make their updater client open source in the future. If that won't happen, community will have to step in and to write an open alternative.

Regarding the issue of being firmly opposed to DRM. Comparing it with the stance on closed vs. open software isn't the best thing to do.

Closed software is an undesirable thing, but so far I didn't see anyone explaining a good working model for fully open source games (i.e. including artistic assets). So game developers have some reasoning when they don't open their games up. DRM however has no valid reasoning whatsoever. It's always evil by definition.

I.e. being opposed to closed games without offering a practical idea how to make games profitable is stupid. Being opposed to DRM is the only sensible thing to do. DRM should not exist anywhere, since DRM can't be used for anything positive ever.

Timelines: Assault On America Gameplay Trailer
By Liam Dawe, 16 August 2013 at 3:19 pm UTC

FutureSutureLooks like a good, old classical RTS. Remind us of its release when it's out, Liam!
But of course!

Timelines: Assault On America Gameplay Trailer
By FutureSuture, 16 August 2013 at 3:09 pm UTC

Looks like a good, old classical RTS. Remind us of its release when it's out, Liam!

The Humble Origin (EA) Bundle...Wait...What?!
By , 16 August 2013 at 3:01 pm UTC

scaineYep, some good points there, but I was pointing out that it makes downloading and playing games really, really easy. And you claimed it did the opposite.
Yeah, so easy. Just buy a game and download it in the client. Now what to do until it finishes slurping gigabytes of data to your computer? Play another game! Except... no Steam game, since that would interrupt the download... And then, when Steam was left alone for long enough to download your new game, you can just run it! Except... first it needs to install DirectX for the 400th time, plus maybe some other stuff that it has probably also already installed before...

scaineI'd also LOVE the ability to gift game I already own on Steam (not just the ones I just bought) to friends, and thereby lose the ability to play them on my PC. The same way as if I gave the game CD to a friend in the old days. I'd love to have to hassle that friend to finish playing it, so that he can "gift" it back to me so that I can play it again. I'd also love this on my Kindle. So in that respect, if DRM were done well, it would be a huge consumer win. It would actually restore the concept of ownership! I could give copies of my old Steam titles to my children to play once I'd completed them, like you could with the old game CD's you bought from Retail.
One point that I feel is often overlooked, probably because most people are still too young to be affected by it, is what happens when your children are interested in your stuff, be it before or after you die? I can dig through my parents' collection of books or LPs/CDs/cassettes, but my stuff? The newer it is, the more likely it is to be just a bunch of files on a few HDs. Nothing my daughter can really access now unless I explicitly copy it for her or let her use my computer. And when I die? Then she could freely dig through a few terabytes of stuff, and the part in open formats will even be accessible to her. But the stuff tied to an intransferrable DRM-account? Will she inherit my Steam account? What if she gets a sibling? An increasing part of our cultural heritage will be digital, and the changing computing landscape (and (un)reliability of storage media) will be a barrier to this all by itself, even when stuff isn't locked away behind DRM.

Tropico 5, City Builder Will Come To Linux
By Bumadar, 16 August 2013 at 2:44 pm UTC

ps: on steam right now 75% of the entire kalipso catalog, I know its not linux but wine works for several 

Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs Available For Pre-Order
By richie442, 16 August 2013 at 2:38 pm UTC

I've played original Amnesia like for.. 30 minutes and already shit my pants. It's not game for me

Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs Available For Pre-Order
By killx_den, 16 August 2013 at 2:06 pm UTC

I will definitely pre-order it

Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs Available For Pre-Order
By Bumadar, 16 August 2013 at 2:00 pm UTC

must buy, I still can't play the original without there being daylight coming through the window 

The Humble Origin (EA) Bundle...Wait...What?!
By , 16 August 2013 at 12:56 pm UTC

I hope all the DRM-free-ONLY zealots apply this to every single aspect of their lives. ie: don't eat KFC, because you only have a license to eat the chicken - the Colonel's Secret Recipe is not under the GPL!

(I concede that there are many other reasons to avoid KFC outside of the closed-source blend of herbs and spices, but if you ask RMS, this is the paramount deal-breaker.)

The Humble Origin (EA) Bundle...Wait...What?!
By scaine, 16 August 2013 at 12:45 pm UTC

Quote from ScaineIt isn't convenient for everyone, that's the point, if it was OK for me having to use a closed-source browser that does things on my behalf without me knowing or being able to decide I guess I'd be using Windows for gaming. I'd have the same thing, it would run flawlessly (it doesn't run well for me right now) and with much more games. I like the control I have over my HB/Desura games libraries, wouldn't be a good deal making it convenient for everyone by also making the games available from a website like HB/Desura? I think Valve could win more GNU/Linux users doing it.

Yep, some good points there, but I was pointing out that it makes downloading and playing games really, really easy. And you claimed it did the opposite.

Definitely, call it out on support, or sign-up, or privacy, or DRM (even if it's invisible DRM), call it out on stability maybe. But don't call it out on the one thing it does amazingly well, or your argument loses credibility.

I'd love Steam to offer Desura-style offline downloads and encourage DRM-free games. Right now, it only offers them on certain titles, but I don't see much on encouragement. Maybe it will come, maybe it won't. It's a good thing to hope for, but I don't think Valve need shooting down on the stuff they do right. And for me, the stuff they do right justifies the evil of invisible (to me) DRM.

I'd also LOVE the ability to gift game I already own on Steam (not just the ones I just bought) to friends, and thereby lose the ability to play them on my PC. The same way as if I gave the game CD to a friend in the old days. I'd love to have to hassle that friend to finish playing it, so that he can "gift" it back to me so that I can play it again. I'd also love this on my Kindle. So in that respect, if DRM were done well, it would be a huge consumer win. It would actually restore the concept of ownership! I could give copies of my old Steam titles to my children to play once I'd completed them, like you could with the old game CD's you bought from Retail.

It's only when DRM is used to assume that paying customers are actually criminals that I hugely object to it. Stallman is way off the mark here, living in an unrealistic bubble of a vision of the perfect world. He even asks us to share our internet connections without security, but when you get folk being arrested for downloading child porn when in fact it was just some dude sitting in his car outside your house with a laptop, you realise just how far off the mark he is. Great ideals, but with no bearing on how the real world works.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-18817986

The Humble Origin (EA) Bundle...Wait...What?!
By , 16 August 2013 at 12:39 pm UTC

scaineI have 118 linux games on Steam and nearly 400 in total, accrued since 2006.

Wrong. According to the EULA, you have 400 "limited, terminable, non-exclusive licenses and right to use the Software for your personal, non-commercial use... The Software is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Software."

The unacceptable for me is they put chains in your computer to force you to obey. Let's compare it with something like gog.com:

"You agree to pay for all Products you purchase through the Service. GOG reserves the right to Change Prices and Availability of Products, which are subject to change at any time..."

The Humble Origin (EA) Bundle...Wait...What?!
By , 16 August 2013 at 12:16 pm UTC

RoseWhat's stopping you all from getting the Weely bundle?
Nothing. I did get it, despite owning a couple of the Linux games already and not really being that interested in the others. Still, the more Linux games the merrier.

Gone Home a story exploration game On Steam, With Gameplay
By n30p1r4t3, 16 August 2013 at 12:09 pm UTC

But I like being attacked, stuck, and frustrated...

The Funding Crowd 14 (Aug 7th - 14th)
By Znurre, 16 August 2013 at 11:36 am UTC

Thanks for the great article as usual.
Many interesting titles in there, my wallet is going to suffer.

Tropico 5, City Builder Will Come To Linux
By , 16 August 2013 at 11:29 am UTC

Oddly, I emailed Kalypso a couple weeks back about whether they'd start supporting Linux. Got a standard auto-reply back about submitting tech support questions to the appropriate email. Was going to email again, but now I guess I don't have to.

Huzzah!

The Humble Origin (EA) Bundle...Wait...What?!
By sobkas, 16 August 2013 at 11:18 am UTC

RoseWhat's stopping you all from getting the Weely bundle?
The fact that I already own all good games that are in this bundle? 

The Humble Origin (EA) Bundle...Wait...What?!
By , 16 August 2013 at 11:12 am UTC

What's stopping you all from getting the Weely bundle?

The Humble Origin (EA) Bundle...Wait...What?!
By berarma, 16 August 2013 at 10:38 am UTC

QuoteQuote from berarma
QuoteAbout Steam, it's so hard for me to download a game that I would call it DRM as it seems to act the same way, the client being a pain in the ass. Why don't just buy and download games from the website if they're truly DRM-free?

I don't get your position, Berama - Steam makes it easier to download and play games. There's lots of points you could call Steam out on, but "making it hard to play games" just isn't one them, as far as I can tell. I have 118 linux games on Steam and nearly 400 in total, accrued since 2006. At a guess, I'd say that's about 40+ publishers and I don't want to have to visit those websites even twice a year to check for updates, bug-fixes and new games. Steam checks them for me every time I open it.

Steam is convenience personified and it's why it's so wildly popular DESPITE its inherent (and invisible) DRM.

It isn't convenient for everyone, that's the point, if it was OK for me having to use a closed-source browser that does things on my behalf without me knowing or being able to decide I guess I'd be using Windows for gaming. I'd have the same thing, it would run flawlessly (it doesn't run well for me right now) and with much more games. I like the control I have over my HB/Desura games libraries, wouldn't be a good deal making it convenient for everyone by also making the games available from a website like HB/Desura? I think Valve could win more GNU/Linux users doing it.

The Humble Origin (EA) Bundle...Wait...What?!
By scaine, 16 August 2013 at 10:07 am UTC

Edgar
Quote from AnonymousMaybe I don't quite understand what you're saying but are you saying that it is more convenient/easier to hunt down games on various publisher's websites than it is to have them all in one place like steam?

You're right, you don't understand what he's saying.

Such a shame that you don't use your psychic powers for the good of mankind.


QuoteQuote from berarma
About Steam, it's so hard for me to download a game that I would call it DRM as it seems to act the same way, the client being a pain in the ass. Why don't just buy and download games from the website if they're truly DRM-free?

I don't get your position, Berama - Steam makes it easier to download and play games. There's lots of points you could call Steam out on, but "making it hard to play games" just isn't one them, as far as I can tell. I have 118 linux games on Steam and nearly 400 in total, accrued since 2006. At a guess, I'd say that's about 40+ publishers and I don't want to have to visit those websites even twice a year to check for updates, bug-fixes and new games. Steam checks them for me every time I open it.

Steam is convenience personified and it's why it's so wildly popular DESPITE its inherent (and invisible) DRM.

The Humble Origin (EA) Bundle...Wait...What?!
By , 16 August 2013 at 9:59 am UTC

I've been so excited that Humble does indie cross platform sales without DRM, or at least where you could choose DRM with Steam or non-drm with GOG.

I'm pretty upset, and this is a Bundle I won't get for myself.

Enemy Starfighter Shows Off A New Trailer
By scaine, 16 August 2013 at 9:58 am UTC

This is a game begging... BEGGING, prostrate on the ground, for Occulus Rift support. Looks amazing.

Timelines: Assault On America Gameplay Trailer
By , 16 August 2013 at 9:44 am UTC

Looks promising! I´ve been missing a good RTS game for Linux.

The Humble Origin (EA) Bundle...Wait...What?!
By berarma, 16 August 2013 at 9:12 am UTC

Anonymous
Quote from berarmaAbout Steam, it's so hard for me to download a game that I would call it DRM as it seems to act the same way, the client being a pain in the ass. Why don't just buy and download games from the website if they're truly DRM-free?
Maybe I don't quite understand what you're saying but are you saying that it is more convenient/easier to hunt down games on various publisher's websites than it is to have them all in one place like steam?

My question is directed to Valve, why don't they make it so I can buy and download games from their website with my browser? That would be truly DRM-free but instead I'm forced to use their closed-source browser (that doesn't work well for me) to do just that.

Timelines: Assault On America Gameplay Trailer
By killx_den, 16 August 2013 at 7:23 am UTC

This looks really interesting. I miss the good old C&C days.

Cant wait to play this

Tropico 5, City Builder Will Come To Linux
By , 16 August 2013 at 6:38 am UTC

Bumadar[…] Kalypso is German, Deepsilver is German and since Linux is used a lot there in the government sector for instance, feels like the developers there are picking it up more […]
Haha! The government trains its policy makers with Tropico? (-:

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