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Quoting: tuubiThat's because your package is not a pure WOW64 build. That's up to the package maintainer. 32bit Windows software runs on 64bit (WOW64) Wine without 32bit libraries. You can keep claiming otherwise, but I'd rather you just looked into it if you don't want to believe a random person on a forum.

I guess Proton is using that?

So, a 64 bit Linux is starting a 32 bit Steam client is starting a 64 bit WOW-enabled Proton which might be starting a 32 bit Windows game?!?

I believe even the latest Proton only provides WOW64 as an option, alongside the traditional 32bit build and libraries. They're probably still launching 32bit Windows games in a 32bit Proton/Wine prefix by default. They're definitely doing that with Proton 9 and older.

All I'm saying that the tech is available if they want to go pure 64bit, assuming 32bit Wine is somehow the blocker.

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Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

By providing 64bit and 32bit libraries(a.k.a 64 and 32 bit wine).
Those 32bit libraries make it a 32bit client.

32bit libraries or wine binaries are not needed in WOW64 mode. That's the whole point. Although I suppose Steam will have to ship them for older Proton builds.

If I install Wine on 64bits system it requires me manipulate my repos to also allow installing 32 bit libraries and then it installs 32 bit wine libraries.
EDIT: If I want to run 32bit or 32 bit reliant software(its technically optional, but the 32 bit stuff won't work, just like vulcan integration is optional)

That's because your package is not a pure WOW64 build. That's up to the package maintainer. 32bit Windows software runs on 64bit (WOW64) Wine without 32bit libraries. You can keep claiming otherwise, but I'd rather you just looked into it if you don't want to believe a random person on a forum.

A. My excuses you were right about the WoW build and I also misunderstood your claim.(I thought WoW was just some creative abbreviation for wine.)
B. Proton doesn't seem to [use the WoW build](https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/449). This could be for backwards compatibility(reconfiguring all existing Wine prefixes without triggering anti-cheat blocks) and [OpenGL preformance](https://linuxiac.com/arch-linux-shifts-to-pure-wow64-builds-for-wine-and-wine-staging/).

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Quoting: tuubiThat's because your package is not a pure WOW64 build. That's up to the package maintainer. 32bit Windows software runs on 64bit (WOW64) Wine without 32bit libraries. You can keep claiming otherwise, but I'd rather you just looked into it if you don't want to believe a random person on a forum.

I guess Proton is using that?

So, a 64 bit Linux is starting a 32 bit Steam client is starting a 64 bit WOW-enabled Proton which might be starting a 32 bit Windows game?!?

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Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

By providing 64bit and 32bit libraries(a.k.a 64 and 32 bit wine).
Those 32bit libraries make it a 32bit client.

32bit libraries or wine binaries are not needed in WOW64 mode. That's the whole point. Although I suppose Steam will have to ship them for older Proton builds.

If I install Wine on 64bits system it requires me manipulate my repos to also allow installing 32 bit libraries and then it installs 32 bit wine libraries.
EDIT: If I want to run 32bit or 32 bit reliant software(its technically optional, but the 32 bit stuff won't work, just like vulcan integration is optional)

That's because your package is not a pure WOW64 build. That's up to the package maintainer. 32bit Windows software runs on 64bit (WOW64) Wine without 32bit libraries. You can keep claiming otherwise, but I'd rather you just looked into it if you don't want to believe a random person on a forum.

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huh I didn't even know Cinnamon was doing wayland at all. That's great to hear.

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Nice! I was really grabbed by this with the first demo.

Probably going to skip the second and just wait for the full release.

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my great grandkids are gonna LOVE the tribal stage

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The game is cool. But I wish they would take the time to unify their art style. It's kinda weird that many factions follow a completely different art direction.

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Quoting: NonjuffoValve probably ran out of stock on the old APU and it's more cost effective to just concentrate on the newer 6nm one.

This.
It has been deprecated for a long time they were just selling old stock.

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Quoting: ShmerlMore likely someone running 32-bit Windows is doing it on x86_64 capable hardware, due to some historic incorrect installation. So they can as well install a normal 64-bit Linux there.

Windows doesn't upgrade OS arch during major upgrades ie. Windows 7 to 10. And Windows 7's 32 bits version has been more popular than 64 bits version, so if someone upgraded from Win 7 to 10 (with 8 or 8.1 in between, doesn't matter) they will end up with 32 bits Windows 10. That can be a good thing if the user as ancient 16 bits applications as only 32 bit Windows can run them.

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Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

By providing 64bit and 32bit libraries(a.k.a 64 and 32 bit wine).
Those 32bit libraries make it a 32bit client.

32bit libraries or wine binaries are not needed in WOW64 mode. That's the whole point. Although I suppose Steam will have to ship them for older Proton builds.

If I install Wine on 64bits system it requires me manipulate my repos to also allow installing 32 bit libraries and then it installs 32 bit wine libraries.
EDIT: If I want to run 32bit or 32 bit reliant software(its technically optional, but the 32 bit stuff won't work, just like vulcan integration is optional)

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Valve probably ran out of stock on the old APU and it's more cost effective to just concentrate on the newer 6nm one.

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I think I paid $320 a while ago, was a great modding unit. The LCD version will always have a spot in my ❤️

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Quoting: Purple Library GuyI don't know how old Windows has to be to be 32-bit.

A better question is how old hardware has to be (x86) to be 32-bit only. AMD stopped making 32-bit processors by early 2000s and Intel shortly after. So I'd say it has to be very old by now. I guess if anyone has such hardware, they could indeed run some 32-bit Linux, but gaming would be the least of their concerns really. I think most distros by now are dropping 32-bit flavors for good, even Debian.

More likely someone running 32-bit Windows is doing it on x86_64 capable hardware, due to some historic incorrect installation. So they can as well install a normal 64-bit Linux there.

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Let's be honest: with RAM prices so crazy, it's almost impossible to manufacture this unit at a profit. And if SSD prices start to rise too, it could have serious consequences, even leading to the postponement of the Steam Machine. But I don't want to paint a bleak picture.

In any case, Valve would be better off using its RAM reservation for the Steam Machine and the Frame rather than for the now outdated LCD Steam Deck.

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Systems running 32-bit versions of Windows will continue receiving updates to the 32-bit Steam client until January 1, 2026.

I don't know how old Windows has to be to be 32-bit. But assume for a moment that there are some people actually gaming on 32-bit Windows, presumably on relatively old computers. After Jan 1, they can't any more. If they want to keep gaming, they have to upgrade to something.

So, what do they upgrade to? They can't upgrade to Win 11, it won't run on their hardware. Probably, most Windows newer than whatever they're using will have problems on their hardware, if they know how to pirate it because MS sure isn't selling the old versions. Also, won't get security updates, but presumably they don't care much about that since they obviously haven't had any for years.

But Linux would run on their hardware. And they'd even get security updates and stuff. If they want to keep gaming that's probably their best and even easiest option.

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Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

By providing 64bit and 32bit libraries(a.k.a 64 and 32 bit wine).
Those 32bit libraries make it a 32bit client.

32bit libraries or wine binaries are not needed in WOW64 mode. That's the whole point. Although I suppose Steam will have to ship them for older Proton builds.

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Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

By providing 64bit and 32bit libraries(a.k.a 64 and 32 bit wine).
Those 32bit libraries make it a 32bit client.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: 1xokMaybe on some visit? I don't have Windows either, but I played at a relative's.

Almost no one in the family has a Windows PC. There is an old, half-broken laptop. I wouldn't enter my data there either.

In my case I think it's more likely that Steam detects Proton as Windows in some cases.

Strange I have never seen Steam misreport Proton. Have you maybe used GeForce Now to stream games?, Steam counts that as Windows.

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Quoting: CreakThe way I see it, Windows users are the beta testers, for once 😂

Would that make the macOS client the alpha test? 😋

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steam on linux will be 64 bit at some point. nice to have, but not so urgent for now, except for distros that dropped 32 bit packages.

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It is worth mentioning that with this version, Nvidia is discontinuing support for Pascal (GTX 10xx) and older architecture.

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I think they calculate proton to be part of the Steam client(with which I agree)

It's not, it's a separate component downloaded with the game.

while the 32 bit trickery of the windows api did come build in with Windows

I'm not sure what you're meaning. Even if it was necessary on Windows, doesn't mean it's necessary on Linux. Aren't Proton games even run in a container (pressure-vessel), so the host system doesn't matter that much.

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Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

64-bit Wine could do it for years.

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Yeah I know what's interesting is I'm getting an option in steam to pair it I haven't seen that before this update

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Quoting: zany130Anyone get a strange new option under external gamepad settings after updating?

I wonder what it's for. Maybe new steam controller?

It's called "Pair an Ibex Controller over USB"

And clicking pair gives an error saying no steam controller is plugged in


Ibex is the new Steam Controller. Has been reported months ago.

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Quoting: spacemonkeyI would like to be able to wishlist games I already own, so I can gift them when they are discounted.

You could use https://isthereanydeal.com and make multiple categories for the waitlisted games to organize them. That would track them across multiple legit resellers as well as steam.

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I was hoping they would keep the $399 price point, but I think it was fairly clear from the moment they kept the LCD model around as the cheap option after launching the OLED model that they would eventually discontinue the LCD version.

It’s exactly the same tactic Apple has often used to obfuscate a price hike, by the time the old model with the attractive price is dropped without any replacement at that price point, the press have moved on.

With the AI bubble induced crisis in the cost of RAM and storage, now I’m just hoping they don’t increase the starting price of the OLED version.

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Sorry, what did you say? I was distracted by that absolutely amazing looking screenshot of a game I never heard of.

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Quoting: LoudTechie64 Bit wine can't launch 32 bit applications.

Proton has included support for Wine's WOW64 mode for a while now. This shouldn't be a blocker anymore.

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Quoting: StellaI should get through my massive backlog before buying anything new 😆

Me too.

I really hope the Steam Winter sale of 2046 will have some good sales.

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