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When I first saw this...I couldn't believe that Nvidia was proud of these Slop Filters, as Grace looks so haggard and based on what training data might have been used, it screams NSFW based. I've been putting these images on blast on my various socials, as it's so ugly. Honestly, I wouldn't call it "yassifying" as the goal is always making characters gay coded and fabulous. To be honest, all I've seen from the tech is a tired sex worker aesthetic on the women, which says a lot about the source of their Slop training data. However, I would say this is definitely AI Slop Lookscursing, as I am not living for any of it's character alterations.

All it's giving is, to quote the famous Drag Queen Thorgy Thor, "Oh Jesus, gross!"

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Quoting: EWGSo, besides exposure, does this do anything to help Godot?

Well, Mega Crit are a big donor to Godot too ;) https://fund.godotengine.org/

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Quoting: eggroleThere is a youtube channel I recently discovered while looking into this. Threat Interactive. I can't vouch for everything he says as a lot of it is above my paygrade, but his conclusions on how modern devs are totally slacking off and relying on the bait-and-switch of framegen seems spot on.

Threat Interactive have their problems of their own :(
https://old.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1qdpa3n/threat_interactive_filed_an_illegal_dmca_to_a_guy/

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"Repeatable events" is the last thing I'd want out of Starfield.

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I've been arguing for years about the possibility of the enshitification of linux. I think this is obviously a step in that direction. Microsoft (among others) has been lacking and it is catching up with them with more linux adoption.

Microsoft isn't stupid though and with their bags of money I'm sure they can influence stuff like this. Then it wouldn't even be hard to see MS "helping" these poor FOSS devs and getting (more of) a foothold in the development of linux if not outright having some of the FOSS devs walk away when they can't comply with these new artificial barriers.

If this goes through - and even if *this* doesn't society is barreling headlong in the surveillance everywhere direction so it will happen sooner or later if nothing changes - it will add more artificial barriers to entry for any new players in the arena.

And on this front, I'm at a loss for how to fight it. Sure we can maybe get some momentum and have the legislation stopped for now, but I simply don't see a world where this and an eventual internet real ID don't become a reality. Most people simply don't think about or care about privacy and are swayed too easily with the "for the children" garbage.

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This is my favourite meme on the topic up to now:
https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@makram/116244201641088147

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: rustynailTo me it seems fundamentally impossible that this will ever work well. DLSS only has the current frame to work with, so all of the information used to add whatever it adds to scene NVIDIA has to pull out of their ass. This is also true for upscaling which is why it will always have all the artifacts, but made up details that don't make any sense are obviously way worse.

To be clear, I don't know what this press release sentence means, and I'm not enthused about this whole schtick. But, this might be relevant to them claiming they can pull that off:

materials that are anchored to source 3D content and consistent from frame to frame.

One specific related thing I was thinking about is that because DLSS makes character faces kinda glow, it seems to sort of put fake light sources above them that don't actually exist, so I think it has no idea what is actually happening in the scene, and maybe even doesn't really have any real concept of lighting (at least in the sense in which it would be explicitly accessible to devs so they could actually tell what the model is doing rather than just spitting pixels out based on some unfathomable statistics or whatever). Tbh now that I think about it more, my argument about it only knowing about one or few frames is probably not even that important, because if something is not in the game then it's not in the game and it's going to be made up in any case, whether it's nonsensical faces or subtle random color changes all over the place.

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This framegen stuff is such a boondogle. Raster performance has been on the decline for years now and we are being sold DLSS/FSR as the next step, while it is clear that 10-year-old games like Crysis 3 and the Batman Arkham games (among others) had equal or better graphics while running on lower grade hardware at higher FPS.

There is a youtube channel I recently discovered while looking into this. Threat Interactive. I can't vouch for everything he says as a lot of it is above my paygrade, but his conclusions on how modern devs are totally slacking off and relying on the bait-and-switch of framegen seems spot on.

And this is coming from a guy who is general in favor of AI.

I fear that as the gaming industry progresses, the younger players who had no experience with the older hardware/software will literally not be able to comprehend a world without this stuff. Kind of like how post-9/11 the world was so different to those born before it, while those born after it know nothing but the techno surveillance state. 😡

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I mean the fact that this demo had to use TWO 5090's is just beyond bonkers.

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Quoting: EWGSo, besides exposure, does this do anything to help Godot?

Allows it to fulfill its purpose? Not much point to Godot existing if nobody ever uses it to make games.

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Quoting: Penguin"Winnie's Hole gets bigger..." 👀
What a way to kick off the day 😆

Not only bigger, but also "easier to play with on the go". 🤔

Liam knows his audience.

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Quoting: rustynailTo me it seems fundamentally impossible that this will ever work well. DLSS only has the current frame to work with, so all of the information used to add whatever it adds to scene NVIDIA has to pull out of their ass. This is also true for upscaling which is why it will always have all the artifacts, but made up details that don't make any sense are obviously way worse.

To be clear, I don't know what this press release sentence means, and I'm not enthused about this whole schtick. But, this might be relevant to them claiming they can pull that off:

materials that are anchored to source 3D content and consistent from frame to frame.

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It'S nOt A PhAsE mOm!1 🍌

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WOW that looks absolutely horrid. Their heads are so far up their own asses they couldn't tell? And then went on to be PROUD of that ...?

Oof. Ouch. Owie.

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I dread to think how they would improve [Ms. Pac-Man](https://shared.fastly.steamstatic.com/store_item_assets/steam/apps/403410/ss_81250f03a151f5874f9bdc58032093e758cd9636.1920x1080.jpg?t=1654680064)...

Anyway, more memes please ;p

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I sincerely hope AMD and Intel won't follow but something tells me they can't help themselves. AI slop must be everywhere.

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Nice feature to have and this is what Lutris does as well when you add a game on the program that you can link up to Steam. The last time I fiddled with RPCS3, I had to use some additional commands on the Launch Options after adding the emulator to Steam in order to get the games to run.

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and completely deserved too. Nvidia itself has become a meme

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It's great to hear games like Slay the Spire 2 being made on Godot over something like Unreal Engine and I hope they continue to have great success with every future game release.

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Real time slop would be more impressive if it didn't take 2 5090s to render in real time. Based on current retail prices, that would be $7200 worth of GPU, likely 5 times the price of a solid gaming rig before memory prices inflated to help create this.

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It kind of feels like saying "it's not a filter" is their way of unintentionally telling on themselves. They're saying it's more than just a filter, and I bet if we could actually look under the hood, we'd see they're using all that artistic data that they pirated from millions of websites to apply the lighting, materials, etc. That's why the game characters end up looking like Instagram models. That's just my theory anyway. It reminds me of the whole Samsung Galaxy moon controversy from a couple of years ago when they were replacing people's zoomed-in photos of the moon with AI-generated images.

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Usually when you announce a product, you try to show it in the best light, so my take on all this is that what they showed here (heavily edited result) is what they're the most proud of.

Nvidia generated all that content, those videos, those examples, being super duper proud of it like it was the best thing ever. They're genuinely convinced it's awesome.

So it is hilorious to see they failed at any point to see any of those justified reactions coming.

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"Winnie's Hole gets bigger..." 👀
What a way to kick off the day 😆

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Quoting: rustynail

Quoting: WanderdueneI'm not surprised to see something like this popping up in the Redering pipeline now. I'm torn about that. For games with a realistic look, this could be the final step toward achieving true photorealism. On the other hand, that could lead to more AI-generated look and make everything look increasingly generic. I really hope the developer has control over what gets used. As a developer, I'd be pissed if Nvidia's AI replaced my visual style or the appearance of characters with an AI-generated look without control over it.

To me it seems fundamentally impossible that this will ever work well. DLSS only has the current frame to work with, so all of the information used to add whatever it adds to scene NVIDIA has to pull out of their ass. This is also true for upscaling which is why it will always have all the artifacts, but made up details that don't make any sense are obviously way worse.

It's going to be even worse. AAA studios are on-board according to nvidia. Which probably means that upper management is on-board because they see another opportunity for them to do less work and let dlss5 "pick up the slack". They did it with other forms of upscaling, they did it with raytracing and they're going to want to do it with this.

I'm so sick of it that I've started refunding everything that doesn't run properly without upscaling and this only reinforces it. I don't want this crap. At least now we know that both nvidia and digital foundry are truly dead. But what will amd do? I await in fear.

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very interesting app

😀

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Quoting: WanderdueneI'm not surprised to see something like this popping up in the Redering pipeline now. I'm torn about that. For games with a realistic look, this could be the final step toward achieving true photorealism. On the other hand, that could lead to more AI-generated look and make everything look increasingly generic. I really hope the developer has control over what gets used. As a developer, I'd be pissed if Nvidia's AI replaced my visual style or the appearance of characters with an AI-generated look without control over it.

To me it seems fundamentally impossible that this will ever work well. DLSS only has the current frame to work with, so all of the information used to add whatever it adds to scene NVIDIA has to pull out of their ass. This is also true for upscaling which is why it will always have all the artifacts, but made up details that don't make any sense are obviously way worse.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPI used Manjaro for years without major issues (well, except those certificate ones, which were bonkers).

But I saw the writing on the wall for the distro, so I hopped before it became an urgent issue.
Well done, me.

I think I'm looking into a mirror.

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Godot W

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Good emulator if you want to play a game which isn't on PC (anymore).

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so it's simple to move from prototype to finished product

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so it's simple to move from catchphrase to early prototype

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