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This framegen stuff is such a boondogle. Raster performance has been on the decline for years now and we are being sold DLSS/FSR as the next step, while it is clear that 10-year-old games like Crysis 3 and the Batman Arkham games (among others) had equal or better graphics while running on lower grade hardware at higher FPS.

There is a youtube channel I recently discovered while looking into this. Threat Interactive. I can't vouch for everything he says as a lot of it is above my paygrade, but his conclusions on how modern devs are totally slacking off and relying on the bait-and-switch of framegen seems spot on.

And this is coming from a guy who is general in favor of AI.

I fear that as the gaming industry progresses, the younger players who had no experience with the older hardware/software will literally not be able to comprehend a world without this stuff. Kind of like how post-9/11 the world was so different to those born before it, while those born after it know nothing but the techno surveillance state. 😡

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I mean the fact that this demo had to use TWO 5090's is just beyond bonkers.

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Quoting: EWGSo, besides exposure, does this do anything to help Godot?

Allows it to fulfill its purpose? Not much point to Godot existing if nobody ever uses it to make games.

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Quoting: Penguin"Winnie's Hole gets bigger..." 👀
What a way to kick off the day 😆

Not only bigger, but also "easier to play with on the go". 🤔

Liam knows his audience.

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Quoting: rustynailTo me it seems fundamentally impossible that this will ever work well. DLSS only has the current frame to work with, so all of the information used to add whatever it adds to scene NVIDIA has to pull out of their ass. This is also true for upscaling which is why it will always have all the artifacts, but made up details that don't make any sense are obviously way worse.

To be clear, I don't know what this press release sentence means, and I'm not enthused about this whole schtick. But, this might be relevant to them claiming they can pull that off:

materials that are anchored to source 3D content and consistent from frame to frame.

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It'S nOt A PhAsE mOm!1 🍌

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WOW that looks absolutely horrid. Their heads are so far up their own asses they couldn't tell? And then went on to be PROUD of that ...?

Oof. Ouch. Owie.

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I dread to think how they would improve [Ms. Pac-Man](https://shared.fastly.steamstatic.com/store_item_assets/steam/apps/403410/ss_81250f03a151f5874f9bdc58032093e758cd9636.1920x1080.jpg?t=1654680064)...

Anyway, more memes please ;p

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I sincerely hope AMD and Intel won't follow but something tells me they can't help themselves. AI slop must be everywhere.

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Nice feature to have and this is what Lutris does as well when you add a game on the program that you can link up to Steam. The last time I fiddled with RPCS3, I had to use some additional commands on the Launch Options after adding the emulator to Steam in order to get the games to run.

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and completely deserved too. Nvidia itself has become a meme

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It's great to hear games like Slay the Spire 2 being made on Godot over something like Unreal Engine and I hope they continue to have great success with every future game release.

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Real time slop would be more impressive if it didn't take 2 5090s to render in real time. Based on current retail prices, that would be $7200 worth of GPU, likely 5 times the price of a solid gaming rig before memory prices inflated to help create this.

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It kind of feels like saying "it's not a filter" is their way of unintentionally telling on themselves. They're saying it's more than just a filter, and I bet if we could actually look under the hood, we'd see they're using all that artistic data that they pirated from millions of websites to apply the lighting, materials, etc. That's why the game characters end up looking like Instagram models. That's just my theory anyway. It reminds me of the whole Samsung Galaxy moon controversy from a couple of years ago when they were replacing people's zoomed-in photos of the moon with AI-generated images.

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Usually when you announce a product, you try to show it in the best light, so my take on all this is that what they showed here (heavily edited result) is what they're the most proud of.

Nvidia generated all that content, those videos, those examples, being super duper proud of it like it was the best thing ever. They're genuinely convinced it's awesome.

So it is hilorious to see they failed at any point to see any of those justified reactions coming.

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"Winnie's Hole gets bigger..." 👀
What a way to kick off the day 😆

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Quoting: rustynail

Quoting: WanderdueneI'm not surprised to see something like this popping up in the Redering pipeline now. I'm torn about that. For games with a realistic look, this could be the final step toward achieving true photorealism. On the other hand, that could lead to more AI-generated look and make everything look increasingly generic. I really hope the developer has control over what gets used. As a developer, I'd be pissed if Nvidia's AI replaced my visual style or the appearance of characters with an AI-generated look without control over it.

To me it seems fundamentally impossible that this will ever work well. DLSS only has the current frame to work with, so all of the information used to add whatever it adds to scene NVIDIA has to pull out of their ass. This is also true for upscaling which is why it will always have all the artifacts, but made up details that don't make any sense are obviously way worse.

It's going to be even worse. AAA studios are on-board according to nvidia. Which probably means that upper management is on-board because they see another opportunity for them to do less work and let dlss5 "pick up the slack". They did it with other forms of upscaling, they did it with raytracing and they're going to want to do it with this.

I'm so sick of it that I've started refunding everything that doesn't run properly without upscaling and this only reinforces it. I don't want this crap. At least now we know that both nvidia and digital foundry are truly dead. But what will amd do? I await in fear.

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very interesting app

😀

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Quoting: WanderdueneI'm not surprised to see something like this popping up in the Redering pipeline now. I'm torn about that. For games with a realistic look, this could be the final step toward achieving true photorealism. On the other hand, that could lead to more AI-generated look and make everything look increasingly generic. I really hope the developer has control over what gets used. As a developer, I'd be pissed if Nvidia's AI replaced my visual style or the appearance of characters with an AI-generated look without control over it.

To me it seems fundamentally impossible that this will ever work well. DLSS only has the current frame to work with, so all of the information used to add whatever it adds to scene NVIDIA has to pull out of their ass. This is also true for upscaling which is why it will always have all the artifacts, but made up details that don't make any sense are obviously way worse.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEPI used Manjaro for years without major issues (well, except those certificate ones, which were bonkers).

But I saw the writing on the wall for the distro, so I hopped before it became an urgent issue.
Well done, me.

I think I'm looking into a mirror.

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Godot W

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Good emulator if you want to play a game which isn't on PC (anymore).

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so it's simple to move from prototype to finished product

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so it's simple to move from catchphrase to early prototype

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This is just terrible. This means more lighting artifacting, as it's bad enough with dark areas having lines or arc of color in the background when a scene gets lit up under low light, especially noticeable in YouTube videos after YouTube's compression and the horrible VP9 codec has been added. After five years of having my 32" curved 2560x1440 monitors I have managed to remove the light arc, by adjusting my monitor's hidden contrast settings, which acts a bit like Vignette, but not so aggressive. The shots of Grace from Requiem is just too far in my opinion. NVIDIA may as well go the whole hog and say bye, bye Computer graphics get real humans on screen, with real human zombies and tons of real blood and gore. Players will be so scared, they'll be throwing up everywhere. Not to mention even more power coming from the wall, plus game will either bottleneck or lose FPS with this added AI Mask over the top. So glad I'm running a 4060 Ti with 16GB of rammage and 32GB on board Ram. No way I'm upgrading to a 5080 or 5090, as in my opinion NVIDIA should be concentrating going back to 8pin power for their cards, not relying on this 12pin all the time, as so many people are still having their connectors melting. Yes I know it can happen with 8pin as well, but at least 8pin is more reliable.

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natural blond hair turned into dark hair with blonde dye but showing darker roots

reduced forehead so she looks more hairy than baldy

a hint of sadness/loneliness in her look turned to an obstinate stare

natural lips turned to lip gloss makeup

neck and fingers turned more muscular

everything else in the scene looks more blurry instead of sharper (i guess someone used too many bokeh photos in the training set?!)

and my all-time favourite: the rain drainage grill at her left looks like it turned into one of those rubber elevator carpets that look like a lego plate

yeah, it really captured the essence of this scene... blondie in a red leather jacket

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The one positive thing about this could be cheap pt-like lighting - assuming it is cheap and assuming path tracing isn't a requirement here to go along with DLSS 5.

Looking at those images not for one moment do I believe lighting is the only thing DLSS 5 affects.

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At least we have a reason to make more memes 😄

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I got it yesterday to play the co-op with a mate. I put in 4h 😬

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I'm not surprised to see something like this popping up in the Redering pipeline now. I'm torn about that. For games with a realistic look, this could be the final step toward achieving true photorealism. On the other hand, that could lead to more AI-generated look and make everything look increasingly generic. I really hope the developer has control over what gets used. As a developer, I'd be pissed if Nvidia's AI replaced my visual style or the appearance of characters with an AI-generated look without control over it.

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Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: EWGSo, besides exposure, does this do anything to help Godot?

For Godot to improve, it must get professional users to identify all the ways in which things don't work right. Mega Crit also did a sizeable donation to the project. That definitely helps.

Both are things that help (and such a success should result in some donation!), and the exposure is quite important too, I think. The message "you can do mega sellers in Godot" is a big thing.

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