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Quoting: Renzatic GearIn short, there's nothing built for the Steam Controller, but the Steam Controller is pretty much built for everything, and is pretty good at of it in my opinion.

Yes... probably I should have argued better my point. K&M games, aren't local coop games. They are all single player games. Not since long long long time ago at least, when I was playing wasd and my brother up left down right arrows (for those who are old enough to remember).

Paleolithic aside, local coop games are all regular controller designed (and until very recently local coop was always castrated from PC versions so that's already a huge improvement - thank you steam).

That means that 1 steam controller is enough: only one single player at a time when playing single player games. When I share my screen with my wife or my daughters for a local coop it's 1 steam + 1 regular controller. If more players, more regulat controllers. Another steam controller it's a waste of money. And for old steam controller a worse experience (probably the new controller not so much, I guess just more confusing).

So until games start to be designed to take advantage of the full steam controller interface, 1 steam controller is all one needs in his own house imho.

Back at the time of steam controller 1 I did not thought about that and bought 2 out of enthusiasm when all that I really ever needed (and actually used in practice) was 1 controller. I have a virtually unused steam controller 1 at home (anyone interested? :) )

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Quoting: MalThe thing is no game was ever developed to take advantage of the full featureset of the steam controller

I always thought the original SC was great for any games that leverage the mouse and keyboard, but fell short when it came to more console-centric, standard controller style games. I'd argue that I'm actually better with the trackpad and gryo in game like Boltgun and Doom these days than I am with the tried and true kb/m setup, but using the old SC with a twinstick shooter would be an exercise in suck.

The Steam Deck fixed that issue by providing you with almost all the input methods you could ever possibly want, and the means to do whatever you want with them. It's what got me clamoring for the SC2, and now that it's out, I'm tickled freaking pink!

In short, there's nothing built for the Steam Controller, but the Steam Controller is pretty much built for everything, and is pretty good at of it in my opinion.

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Cool. I also had 2 steam controllers. Must admit the second one was useless. The first I used to play PC games, mostly strategy, on my TV, single player. All multiplayer stuff however, was meant to be played with a standard controller, and indeed I always went better with multiple xbox one controllers.

The thing is no game was ever developed to take advantage of the full featureset of the steam controller, not even Valve ones. Ok, portal 2 was definitely better with steam controller, but not a must. And I expect the same to be true for this new version too. Thus, in my modest opinion, 1 controller is enough a gamer arsenal to enable you to play PC games on your TV (without K&M ofc). If game developers decide to push their game designs further, and take advantage of valve controllers also for coop games, I'm always in time to get a second one.

I think I will get mine when I buy the steam box.

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Quoting: mseashorJust let us pay money and enter a queue to send it whenever it's ready. I'm so tired of having to mash buttons and deal with systems going down, monitoring alerts, etc. Just take my money, Valve!

I'm honestly surprised there isn't something like that. Only way I can figure it is that Valve greatly underestimated the demand, which is understandable when you remember that demand for the original Steam Controller was so low, they ended up having to all but give it away.

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"…and why we much prefer DisplayPort on PC."

Indeed!

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Wonder when the next batch comes in. It's very positive, though, that there is a clear demand for high-tech, properly laid out (symmetric) controllers.

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Hey Liam question, how loud are all the buttons. I use the DualSense now and the PS4 controller in the past. All other modern dualstick controllers that I have tried have been louder. Help a can only play games when people are sleeping gamer out.

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Quoting: Renzatic GearJust keep hammering the continue button until it lets you through. If you end up accidentally ordering 300 extra controllers, sell the rest on Ebay with a $5 markup.
...no more than $5 though. Don't be that guy.

Just checked on eBay... Of course there is "that guy."

[THAT Guy Posting on eBay](https://ebay.us/m/hwWJn1https://ebay.us/m/hwWJn1)

There were three active offers when I checked...
Of course, I had to be that guy too. Put in an offer of $100.

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: sarmadYou have a typo in the title: you wrote "out now" instead of "out of stock".

Don’t scare me like that 😅

it's not to scary you, it's a harsh reality

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Just let us pay money and enter a queue to send it whenever it's ready. I'm so tired of having to mash buttons and deal with systems going down, monitoring alerts, etc. Just take my money, Valve!

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Soooo... if its fully repairable and easy to work on, it should be pretty easy to get rid of the haptic motors. That would lighten the controller considerably. I know other controllers won't work without their damned motors. Is it the case with the Steam controller? Anyone wants to try it before I buy one? 😁

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Quoting: sarmadYou have a typo in the title: you wrote "out now" instead of "out of stock".

Don’t scare me like that 😅

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Quoting: tarmo888

Quoting: GoEsrDo you know if the capacitive grips have configuration or are they just binary?

Their newest video shows the configuration https://youtu.be/a55UIaiTE-A?t=162

That's a shame, we've been getting lots of new binary options in new controllers but no new analog inputs.

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Quoting: Renzatic Gear

Quoting: tarmo888Gyro as Joystick Camera on the other hand, just does micro-adjustments by default - adjustments that joystick isn't accurate enough to do.

I've had the opposite experience. Gyro to Mouse works great once you set it up right, but I've never been able to get Gyro to joystick camera to work the way I'd like. It feels floaty to me, and if the game you're playing uses a built in deadzone, you'll always have trouble zeroing in those super tight aims.

Luckily, most games have deadzone setting and now it can be lowered a lot thanks to TMR joysticks.

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Only Valve can sell a $100 gamepad like hotcakes 😆

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Quoting: tarmo888Gyro as Joystick Camera on the other hand, just does micro-adjustments by default - adjustments that joystick isn't accurate enough to do.

I've had the opposite experience. Gyro to Mouse works great once you set it up right, but I've never been able to get Gyro to joystick camera to work the way I'd like. It feels floaty to me, and if the game you're playing uses a built in deadzone, you'll always have trouble zeroing in those super tight aims.

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Quoting: TheSHEEEP

Quoting: jjaksicSteam Survey is useless garbage. It's not humanly possible to do polling and statistics any worse than this. Please ignore it, it's just worthless random noise junk not worth anyone's 2 seconds of attention (except maybe to teach a toddler how not to do statistics).

You always this cheery or is it your birthday which caused you to just glow with joy and spread some love?

Not always. Only "that time of the month" when Steam Survey gets published. It's an affront to polling and statistics, Linux gaming and even Valve itself. It's sooooooo bad! I have to call it out, because it's not obvious. Most people look at the results and think "oh, Linux moved up (or down)", not knowing that most movement is just due to sloppiness in how the data is collected, analyzed and presented.

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You have a typo in the title: you wrote "out now" instead of "out of stock".

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Quoting: EagleDelta

Quoting: ThibugPretty sure we broke Steam the moment it got released, they never learn 😆

It's likely not Valve. The only part of Steam that broke was payment. Like most vendors, they are not likely doing payment processing in-house.... meaning they are limited by whatever bandwidth their 3rd party processor(s) gives them AND those 3rd parties aren't going to take down other customers just to account for Valve's increased traffic.

That's not it, I had the amount in Steam Wallet (credit card was processed earlier today) and it still failed for the first 8 minutes for me.

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Sold out in an hour and already being scalped on eBay for two to three times the price. Glad I was able to get one on Steam, though I had to spam the Continue button for several minutes before it finally went to the purchase page.

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I got recommended the trailer and thought it was cool that there was the weird engines from history and now I think it would be funny if British Railways UFO patent would be in the game.

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Thanks a lot for the extremely detailed review, Liam. This really covers all the open questions. I do hope they fix the remote pop-up problem in some way soon since on GNOME that is even more annoying than on KDE.

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Quoting: GoEsrDo you know if the capacitive grips have configuration or are they just binary?

Their newest video shows the configuration https://youtu.be/a55UIaiTE-A?t=162

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There is the option to use Gyro as Joystick Camera but I really disliked that way of doing it. It's nowhere near as smooth and responsive compared with setting it as a Mouse. For games when you need it mapped more natural for the speed, the Gyro as Mouse is what you want.

I never understood the Gyro as Mouse recommendation, it has conflicts in many games and doesn't make much sense in shooters. In my experience using gyro with Steam Deck and Gulikit KK3 Max, gyro is not meant to replace the joystick, gyro is meant for micro-adjustments. If you use Gyro as Mouse to look around and engage/disengage it with left trigger, you get your hands and view in a position where you need to correct it with the joystick all the time. Gyro as Joystick Camera on the other hand, just does micro-adjustments by default - adjustments that joystick isn't accurate enough to do.

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Quoting: GoEsrDo you know if the capacitive grips have configuration or are they just binary?

I imagine it'll be exactly like the capacitive thumbsticks on the Steam Deck, so it'll just be able to determine whether you're touching it or not.

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Was going to pull the trigger on a 5070ti today due to a special offer but now I will wait to see how this develops as I am in no immediate rush. I need another GPU for my AM4 machine but I want the full HDMI 2.1 Support. If AMD have finally come through then I will reconsider and get a 9070xt instead.

Will keep an eye on this.

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Already out of stock. Expected as much, but thought maybe the extra wait was so Valve could get enough stock lined up to prevent a first-day sellout.

Some part of my computer just started failing and that has me waiting for a replacement part and spending money, so I don't mind waiting for it to come back in stock. Maybe there will even be a sale.

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Quoting: _MarsI got one after spamming for 20 minutes. But now they sneakily increased the estimated delivery from 3-5 days to 6-10 days.
I'm glad I got it but now I have to wait longer, dang 😆

Thanks for that advice. I was about to give up when I saw this and decided to carry on. It took around 10 minutes of furious spamming, but got there in the end. Just glad I loaded up the Steam Wallet a couple of days ago. Cheers 👊

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Do you know if the capacitive grips have configuration or are they just binary?

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I finally got 1 after 30 minutes of smashing the continue button… the world would've ended for me had I not gotten 1 😭

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