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I use the .deb package for Heroic, it somehow always worked better to me than flatpak. And AppImage takes too long to load.

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We have like 5% desktop share in the US https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/united-states-of-america

It is time to get more native builds and clients from the mainstream gaming companies that are still supporting Mac 😛

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I gave up and just kept dual-booting Windows, which is a better experience for free.

Except for the Windows license fee plus you are separated from your beloved Linux desktop if you want to alt+tab while gaming 😛.

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A friend wants me to jump into Fortnite? Yeah, okay — not a problem!

I did Call of Duty: Warzone too but that surely requires a mouse and keyboard 🙂.

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Unity, eh? Their native Linux ports don't usually fare well...

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The problem is not how to get 32 bit libraries onto the users' systems.

That works all fine natively or in Flatpak or however.

The problem is how to get/make/maintain the libraries in the first place.

Ubuntu people said (6 years ago already!) that the environment, tools and the libs themselves are brittling.

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Finally RWS goes back to native games! Love to see it. Barring the company be found responsible for an orphanage exploding, definitely picking this one up on/near release.

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@MadWolf I thought the day/night theme adapted across all DE, but I guess not. I'll add an option for that.

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Hm. Signed a while ago. I remember there being a map which showed how each country was doing. But I don't see it anymore.

One of the requirements is that al least seven countries reach a tresshold. And I can't see that anymore.

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Maybe I was a bit unspecific here: The 32bit runtimes are there.

The 32bit runtimes are where, exactly? A major part I don't understand is how this is apparently a major burden for Fedora or Ubuntu devs to maintain in existence, but somehow automagical for Flatpaks. Like, do distros use much more primitive compiling techniques for some reason? To put it a different way, no doubt they exist today, but if Fedora and Ubuntu were to stop having them, at what point would Flathub or whoever be saying "man, these things are a pain to maintain, we should drop them"? Why is the effort different, and who in the Flatpak world has the workforce and motivation to put it in if it's being claimed to be too hard for major Linux distributions?

I don't understand how this argument supports your point of view at all. There is nobody to package these applications for any Linux distribution as well if they are closed source. What is the point here?

You don't really need to "package" them if the OS already supports them. But if they're closed, and you do need to package the application (which is what everyone has been talking about up to this point), you legally can't, or at least you can't then distribute it, so that's a problem.

What you seem to be suggesting is that you don't actually need to put the games in Flatpaks, but instead you have various game-running platformish applications which can package the needed stuff and run all the games. That's not as bad, but note that it's not what anyone had suggested. Over and over I was seeing people say put the things in Flatpaks--not, have Heroic or whatever bundle the needed libs. So what I'm seeing here is I've been saying solution X is bad, and you're coming back at me with "You fool! Solution Y is great, what are you talking about?"

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Why are people so happy to destroy their work they (used to) put their heart and soul in, instead of allowing it to live on?

Because if they destroy the existing game it won't compete with any games they release in the future. Just look at how Rockstar removed Grand Theft Auto 3, GTA Vice City, and GTA San Andreas from Steam when it came time to release the Defective Editions.

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there is no sane reason not to release the files to the community.

There can be copyright issues, for example when using libraries under some copyleft licences which enforce you to release your own source code when making your software available. This does in some cases not apply when making not the software itself available but only its functionality by a web service / SAAS.

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Exactly. And they are the ones who know for a fact that, in twenty years' time, nostalgia will kick in (if it even takes that long), and peopleconsumers will be ready for the second round. And who is to say there can be only one remaster/-vival/-imagined/-make cashgrab.

Especially while in the meantime the community has already done all the work big money head from publisher dare to call remaster.
Almost every old game I own had community patch to allow modern resolutions, improved audio/controls, bug fix... Sometime even community open source recreated engines fixing all the issues at once.

Definitly a good news, never understood people advocating against their own rights, same for DRM such as denuvo. You see people on forum argumenting for it... Like they enjoy being treated as thieves on top of paying with their credit card. Meanwhile you see indie or CDprojekt making their game drm free, and the sales speaks for themselves...

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It seems quite solid: minimal id information for the service provider and no way for an attestation provider to track which sites you are showing the attestation to.

How they're doing it right at least once... ;)

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Heroic has Amazon Game support. It isn't a store where you can buy specific games but subscribers of amazon prime get new games every month.
Still should be mentioned more obvious in the title

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If they figure out how to make Kernel-based anticheat to run on Linux (and be effective), it could be a real game changer, because they'll show it can be done.

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I hope they enable age verification with the German government ID card. It allows you to prove you're above 18 without revealing your age or any other personal details.

EU regulations are likely to require compliant verification methods --so: yes.

From what I gather, your German digital id is required to function EU-wide starting at the end of 2026. Until then, age verifications are going to be handled by a (compatible) digital attestation system if needed.

Source: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification

It seems quite solid: minimal id information for the service provider and no way for an attestation provider to track which sites you are showing the attestation to.

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Okay it seems you may have misunderstood something along the lines here. Let me clear things up:

Well then that's really not a solution. So first of all, it involves massive duplication of effort. If every individual app is individually re-doing the work, then the maintenance the Fedora people don't want to do once would have to be done hundreds or thousands of times. That's insanely stupid.

There is no duplicate effort. Maybe I was a bit unspecific here: The 32bit runtimes are there. As an application developer all you have to do is to tell which runtimes are required for your app to function so flatpak can link them at runtime for your application to be used. Just as if you would install any given set of libraries on a native Linux distribution in order to run the application. Additionally runtimes are shared across flatpaks. No duplicate installation no additional space no need for self packaging them either.

Actually there is duplicate effort as things are right now as every single Linux distribution has to repackage libraries themselves. Defaulting to Flatpak would massively reduce duplicate effort here. Not increase it. That one of it's key features after all.

But wait, it gets worse! Much of the point here is precisely about apps, such as old games, that people want to use but which are not maintained and furthermore are not open source. There is nobody to package them, let alone each do all this individual compiling of libraries.

I don't understand how this argument supports your point of view at all. There is nobody to package these applications for any Linux distribution as well if they are closed source. What is the point here?

However most devs of proprietary software bundle required libraries with their application anyway. Looking at any random Linux native game here for example. If they work on a native Linux distribution with 32bit support. So they will work with flatpak too.

An application does not need to be open source to be packaged as a flatpak. You can think of flatpak as it's own mini distribution running atop your distribution of choice if you will.

If the game is on Steam, simply run it from flatpak Steam and it will keep working. If they are not on Steam, then run them via Lutris, Heroic Games Launcher, Minigalaxy, Faugus Launcher, Cartridges, Bottles the choices are endless they all have the 32bit runtimes made available to them. This way nobody needs to package said application as a flatpak.

Mark my words: "There is not a single application I can not run on my 64bit (immutable and rolling release) distribution. As long as it is technically possible to run said software on Linux at all obviously."

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I will now end the discussion with you at this point as it seems to me you lack vital knowledge here to take this discussion any further. I wish you all the best and thank you for your time.

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I used GeForce NOW for a month on my Linux computer to play Rainbow Six: Siege. There was subtly too much input delay, and the 3 hour session limit was annoying, plus the inability to make use of Steam Recording was annoying. I gave up and just kept dual-booting Windows, which is a better experience for free.

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Steam, Moonlight, Greenlight, and Chiaki-ng (Chiaki4deck) all stream really well from home PCs, Xbox, PS4/PS5. The battery life is awesome and it works much better than I expected.

The Steam Deck might as well be the Stream Deck it works so well.

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hi
I think I am going to stick with ProtonUp-Qt. I tried the Flatpak version, but there was no option to switch the theme to the dark theme. I am running Linux Mint Cinnamon with a dark theme. If or when I get the time, I am going to look into building from source

IMHO, if I were going to develop an application for Linux, I would never touch libadwaita or any new ui libraries from GNOME

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even the higher-ups are part of the team that made that game happen. It's THEIR baby, too

Exactly. And they are the ones who know for a fact that, in twenty years' time, nostalgia will kick in (if it even takes that long), and peopleconsumers will be ready for the second round. And who is to say there can be only one remaster/-vival/-imagined/-make cashgrab.

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Well then that's really not a solution. So first of all, it involves massive duplication of effort. If every individual app is individually re-doing the work, then the maintenance the Fedora people don't want to do once would have to be done hundreds or thousands of times. That's insanely stupid.

But wait, it gets worse! Much of the point here is precisely about apps, such as old games, that people want to use but which are not maintained and furthermore are not open source. There is nobody to package them, let alone each do all this individual compiling of libraries. And it would probably be illegal for anybody to try. I suppose someone could make a Flatpak for a game without the actual game files, with instructions for people who own the game on how to stick the actual game files into the Flatpak. Sounds like just a marvelous approach! Not.

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Nice!!!! I recently finished the story and this is a pleasant surprise. More FSR 4 titles are always welcome

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Flatpaks have to get the libraries somewhere, why are so many people ignoring this?

Huh? I don't see this getting ignored. Flathub is not reliant on Fedora to have 32bit support. It has it's own runtimes compiled from sources. Which are maintained by the respective upstream or the community itself.

Edit: As for individual apps, often times it's the developers or who ever takes care of the faltpak. If a developers/maintainer know they require 32bit than they can do it. There is full guide on how to get this setup if distributing on flathub: https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/multiarch.html

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wow they are working directly with wine developers!
quite nice to see, that is the direction that all companies should do, but they dont. (that or working with valve)

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You're aware that something along these lines is already in place?!?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall

Thank you for the link. I had never heard of it (I also do not own a car).

Not only is there no easy way to disable it, the system is also encumbered by patents allowing some patent troll to milk cash for free. Great design.

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I think you're a bit confused here. People who put their heart and soul in making the game, and people who shut it down, are rarely the same people.

I know what you're trying to say here, but even the higher-ups are part of the team that made that game happen. It's THEIR baby, too.

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> Why are people so happy to destroy their work they (used to) put their heart and soul in, instead of allowing it to live on?

I think you're a bit confused here. People who put their heart and soul in making the game, and people who shut it down, are rarely the same people.

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Has anyone tried setting SteamDeck=1 as a launch var? This is needed to make Space Marine 2's EAC implementation play along, so I wonder if it would work for this. That said, I have no interest in playing it, and am more so just curious to see if its anti-cheat is as asinine as I think it is.

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