Quoting: hardpenguin

Quoting: Blisto

Quoting: ElamanOpiskelijaHey! I had already figured out my workaround for Tekken. Now it comes already fixed. What am I supposed to do? Actually play now?

Silly ElamanOpiskelija. Linux users don't play games. They just tinker with getting them running.

So, pretty much like any PC game modders

Modding games is for wimps. We're modding operating systems!

;)

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I've been playing Opus Magnum. Wanted to use the Deck, but the controls don't work out for larger machines/programs.

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Quoting: Liam DaweEither way right now, there's simply no plugin available I can see for Chart JS to add a different type. For now, it serves the simple purpose of showing number go up or down over existing data.

Have upgraded Chart JS anyway, and now I have a new plugin added to enable showing special data points that you might spot...

Can we start the trend line at a different point (without hiding the actual data before, which still is interesting)? I'd use like July 15, 2021, announcement of Steam Deck, which clearly changed things.

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Quoting: EikeI don't want to predict, nor did I say so.

That's what fitting the data to a curve is.

I guess we found the misunderstanding. Of course, I wouldn't extrapolate this into the future. Nobody forces us to do that.

Quoting: CatKiller

I want to describe what has happened.

That's what the trend line does.

As said and shown - not for like half of the curve.

The trend has changed, can we agree on that?

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Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: EikeI'm open to learning.

No, you aren't. You just don't like being told that your chuffing stupid idea is chuffing stupid.

You can fit those data points to an exponential curve. You can fit those points to a polynomial curve. You can fit those points to a sinusoidal curve. Absolutely none of those curves provide a model that has any predictive power to define the relationship between the date and what proportion of Steam users will be sampled using Linux, nor the proportion that would be sampled using Mac or Windows. It's just pointless fappery.

I don't want to predict, nor did I say so. I want to describe what has happened.

Quoting: CatKillerThe trend is upwards, just like it's upwards for Windows and downwards for Mac. As shown by the trend line.

The trend is upwards - but it wasn't for years. Half of the curve looks quite constant to me. If you're thinking that describing a constant function by an upward trend line is appropriate, I'm asking for sources for this. Derogatory terms don't convince me, by the way.

The point of this is that something has happened, somewhere in 2021, which had and still has quite some impact on Linux for gaming adoption, and is showing in the numbers since then.

The trend has changed. That's what the trend line is missing.

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Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: EikeIn my humble opinion, everybody with a bit of a mathematical heart should feel their toe nails roll up on the graphics.

It's a shame that you don't understand the concept of a trend line, but I'm not your statistics teacher.

I have to brag here: My statistics professor wanted to make me his tutor while I was still visiting his lectures.

But feel free to show me what supports you, e.g. from here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trend_line [External Link]
I'm open to learning.

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Quoting: constYes, they exist and are sold. I know that. Still, people living in certain regions might overestimate their impact.

I agree with that. While I did see some Chromebook adds lately here in Germany, after like a decade (I don't know) of only hearing about them from the US, I still don't think they play an important role here.

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Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: EikeWhy do you think so?

Because it is.

Wow.

Quoting: CatKillerAs to why it is worse, fitting a curve is explicitly enforcing a particular model on the data. There is no model here; it is simply a record of sampled users over time. Curve-fitting would be wildly inappropriate.

And you don't think developments in real life might be subject to mathematical description?

In my humble opinion, everybody with a bit of a mathematical heart should feel their toe nails roll up on the graphics.

If the linear line is only there to show that the numbers are rising, you could write it next to the curve as well instead: "These numbers are rising." Which would make very clear how much information this actually caries beyond what everybody can see in the actual numbers shown in the graph.

What the linear line is nebulizing is the actual change in trend, somewhere between the announcement and the release of the Steam Deck. Things were constant beforehand. Things went up since then. There's no rise since 2018, there's a rise since 2021.

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Quoting: CatKillerArbitrary curve-fitting is not better in any way - it is much worse.

Why do you think so?

I'm fine with not drawing two linear lines at hand-selected places, because it wouldn't be much better than having a single one, but there should be mathematical ways to find a much better fitting function.

A search dug up this, how about it?
https://tom-alexander.github.io/regression-js/ [External Link]

@Liam, do you have the numbers available computer-readable?

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Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: EikeBecause the linear approximation systematically overestimates all of the oldest points and underestimates all of the youngest points (except a single one we would attribute to some measurement error, probably located in the far east). The line doesn't fit, and this not in a "jumpy" way (as to be to be expected), but in a systematical way. The curve to be approximated isn't linear, at least not over the whole time.

So we could either try two linear curves, or some curve with a slope (slightly) increasing over time.

It's not a fit to a curve. It's not supposed to be a fit to a curve, and it's not trying to be a fit to a curve. It's a trend line: a line which demonstrates the trend over time.

It fails to demonstrate the actual trend from 2018 to mid-2021 as well as in 2023.

Is there any reason not to look for a better representation than this?

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