It's a long-term attempt. The real attempt is not SteamOS / SteamBox but the SteamLink. They're trying to get into the living room market attrachting the Windows & XBox users. By streaming, not by SteamOS. SteamOS is just the playground for a bigger picture of them providing their own console. It's the playground to show off the market, before they go on their own. SteamBox has the same issue as PCs: Different specs. And that gap is gonna close some day if you ask me. They will allow others to produce, but sooner or later, we'll see a Valve SteamBox if the concept of SteamLink somehow shows off.

I guess this to happen a year after Vulkan. Let's see what Valve has in shelve.

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Bought it, and have to say, sadly not my kind of game...

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And if I bought it on Steam? I'd guess Steam knows I bought it :D.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: STiAT

Quoting: GuestBut Qt looks ugly or did it change?

That's bullshit, it's all about the theming. This one looks as if designed with QML. Anyway, if you look at standard themed GTK+ applications, they're ugly as hell ;-).
Anyway, Qt is at the moment the more professional and better (in sense of features and cross platform compatibility) toolkit compared to GTK+. Even long living GTK+ projects switched to Qt (Surface, LXDE, Unity8, Dropbox, Wireshark, VLC - to name a few prominent ones). Mostly they named the reason that cross platform in GTK+ was mostly a stepchild, especially the native look-and-feel on other platforms was just bad (and still is). Some even because they couldn't implement certain things in GTK+ without ugly workarounds. Sadly, QML Desktop elements do not yet have feature parity with Qt Widgets (as icons in dropdown menus).

The largest issues of Qt were (for a long time) the licensing issue not being LGPL, and that the libraries were pretty big, so you loaded pretty much a junk of things into memory. They changed that in Qt4 (licensing, Nokia) and Qt5 (splitting Qt into more libraries), which were really positive and long awaited moves.

Toolkit for me still is a developers choice. As long as the distributions and community manages the theming part, I'm fine with the developers using their preferred toolkit.

Doesn't GTK just adapt your GTK Theme.

If there is no proper GTK Theme for my KDE Theme that's rather hard. Same goes for Qt in GTK+ Environments, if there is no proper Qt-Skin it does not integrate nicely.

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Quoting: DonkeyAs long as the driver itself supports all or most of the features it is likely Linux will receive this update as well. After all, it would not make much sense to to have two Qt versions of their interface when they could share it between platforms. It is even possible that this version is an iteration from the Linux version of Catalyst.

That will depend on. In NVidia driver, platform specific code is not even 20 %, which is part of the issue of keeping it proprietary.

For AMD, the developments were completely seperated, and it were two different platforms. We'll see if that will change.

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Quoting: BdMdesigN

Quoting: GuestThis is indeed something currently windows only, and it hasn't been confirmed if it'll come to GNU/Linux at all. Being Qt does not mean it wil - as far as I've read elsewhere, the reasons were performance and stability, not portability.
That all being said, it's likely it will come through GNU/Linux in some form or other. I suspect not anytime soon though.

What makes you think that it is Windows only, if it is intended to replace the CCC?
I can read anywhere, that will be only for Windows software.

But Liam can ask his AMD Contact for this.

I would ask my AMD contact, but after he agreed to do an interview with me I never heard from him again.

Maybe if we ask them on twitter somebody will give an answer if it's intended to bring this to our platform as well :-).

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Quoting: GuestBut Qt looks ugly or did it change?

That's bullshit, it's all about the theming. This one looks as if designed with QML. Anyway, if you look at standard themed GTK+ applications, they're ugly as hell ;-).
Anyway, Qt is at the moment the more professional and better (in sense of features and cross platform compatibility) toolkit compared to GTK+. Even long living GTK+ projects switched to Qt (Surface, LXDE, Unity8, Dropbox, Wireshark, VLC - to name a few prominent ones). Mostly they named the reason that cross platform in GTK+ was mostly a stepchild, especially the native look-and-feel on other platforms was just bad (and still is). Some even because they couldn't implement certain things in GTK+ without ugly workarounds. Sadly, QML Desktop elements do not yet have feature parity with Qt Widgets (as icons in dropdown menus).

The largest issues of Qt were (for a long time) the licensing issue not being LGPL, and that the libraries were pretty big, so you loaded pretty much a junk of things into memory. They changed that in Qt4 (licensing, Nokia) and Qt5 (splitting Qt into more libraries), which were really positive and long awaited moves.

Toolkit for me still is a developers choice. As long as the distributions and community manages the theming part, I'm fine with the developers using their preferred toolkit.

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I've switched from ATI/AMD cards quite a long time ago due to the reason NVidia has the better driver in Linux.

I see the implementation of a new UI as a ... let's say marketing gag to advertise something is brewing there. I don't think they have the manpower to rewrite the whole catalyst driver series in a as short time as a year, but I certainly hope they did improvements on the driver side as well. AMD being a good alternative to NVidia would be nice to see.

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I'd like to see somebody playing titles on the steam machine a bit more than the previews videos.

I'd like more videos about SteamLink though, about performance and stuff, because when I tried in-home streaming it didn't work that well on a lot of titles.

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Quoting: FutureSuture

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: ricki42

Quoting: KeyrockAt the very least, they should throw a disclaimer up along the lines of "Not all games pictured are currently native to SteamOS and may require streaming from a Windows PC to play on the NEN Steam Machine".

At 0:38 it says "Not all games illustrated will be available".

Oh my it actually does, I didn't even see it the writing is pretty small.

You and me both. If you missed it, and I missed it, how many others will have missed it as well?

I didn't, I always look at those little notes, they usually tell more than anything else in the promotions ;-).

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