Quoting: oldrocker99The CIV V port took, according to the devs, a LOOOONG time and a lot of work.

Really? I did read something about two devs for 3 month with help of the osx team. That is not a lot but pretty cheap for a port (and usually a sign the engine was created for multiple platforms in mind). Consider the costs, it is half a year of dwvelopment, so overall costs between 70.000 to 100.000 euros. 1% of steam is a customer base of roundabout 800.000-1 million. Easily financed if only a small percentage buys for 10 euros.

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Quoting: paupavWhen Wayland becomes default display protocol we will see who will be laughing. AMD is already working on Wayland support while nVidia stated that they won't support it because then their Linux drivers will look completely different from their Windows drivers.

Will it? The platform specific code of the NVidia driver is ~20 %. Since they feature their own OGL implementation which interfaces with the kernel, that part won't be hit, so it's just about interfacing the wayland protocol. I think a company as NVidia will be able to do that in a decent timeline. Even though, for driver vendors it's coming faster, since distributions think about running Wayland and XWayland on top for the desktop already (Fedora in example).

More questionable will be: What about Mir? Looks like not even one driver vendor is looking into that. The current Mir runs with Intel drivers, and custom patches by Canonical. Does not sound very promising to me (and I hope Mir won't get adopted any time soon - it's so stack breaking besides all the technology discussion).

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Unrealistic, yes. But I think the common guy wouldn't care if it was a xbox, pc, wii or pc under their tv as long as the games come out for the platform. And as I see it, in a few years we can be there.

The problem will be that it will be very hard for hardware manufacturers to build attractive machines compared to ps/xbox since they cross-finance the hardware with services. And I'm not really sure Valve is willing to give a piece of the pie to hardware manufacturers.

Another problem will be that there will be many steam machines. I think the regular customer is happy only having one PS, and the choice PS/XBox is usually hard enough for them. There we're back again to "which SteamMachine should I buy" which we know of regular PCs and laptops very well.

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Nice to see they're throwing more at it. Sadly, I don't exactly fit the profile, didn't do enough OGL development. Even though, I don't know many people who truly understand all the OGL API with all it pros/cons when they're used in different ways ;-).

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I already bought it, nice thing though. Good luck to all who don't have it yet, it's a great port. Sometimes seemst o be "hanging" though, when you have a lot of units and it checks if you still have stuff to do :D.

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"two guys for month" is actually less than I expected, because I'd put out the guess it was less than half a year. If they manage to get 50k out of it, they should have made profit. And I'd guess - almost everyone gaming in linux bought this title(s) in the steam sale.

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Okay, that's definitely the first turn based game I consider playable :p. Interesting game, though, diplomancy I don't seem to understand properl - or rather, I don't see the real benefit to annexing the territory.

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@hardpenguin I'd guess because they do have existing work (like an engine) and the skillset on Air. Though, a lot of those who used Air in the past are starting to reconsider.

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Complete edition for 14 Euro at Steam now? That's really a steal, I'm going for it even when I'm not a fan of turn-based strategy games.

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Quoting: hardpenguingbudnyhardpenguinMacs always come with NVIDIA card on board, so it is a bit more standarized platform than Linux (install on any hardware, yay!)
I think that you did not to have a chance to use own Mac computer because you did not tell the truth about graphic cards. From my point of view, they sell computers with Intel, ATI, and Nvidia graphic cards. I did not notice any standardization in this case, and I say this as a Mac and Linux user.Omahgad, you are right, I just noticed that. I once was on Apple's website and all models they suggested to me were with NVIDIA on board ;3

THEN THERE IS NO EXCUSE, LINUX VIDEO GRAPHICS DRIVERS IMPROVE NOW

There actually is an excuse, the graphics stack in OSX is a lot different to the one in Linux, and, so to say, a lot easier and way more polished. It's getting better nowdays with AMD, Intel and Valve trying to improve the situation, but that takes time.

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