Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: The_Real_Bitterman

Quoting: PaldinoXWhats wrong with Fedora?

Quoting: AsciiWolfWhy? Fedora is one of the best polished and easy to use distros nowadays.

The better question is, what is not wrong with Fedora. But also I am not willing to discuss this with random strangers in the GoL comments section. Sounds like a waste of effort.

That's real bitter, man.

I actually laughed at this one more than I probably should 😅

Usually I get "Username checks out" and the likes. This one is pure comedy gold. Thank you!

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Quoting: fenglengshun

Quoting: The_Real_Bitterman"Reduce duplicate efforts", "replacing Lutris with fagus launcher" ... Nobody forced them not to use Flatpaks...

This really sounds like a self inflicted issue caused by point-releases and their cravings to package everything downstream instead. Then call it a win to form an organization to fix what they caused themselves...

I mean nobody prohibited them to push their modifications to the mainline kernel even before.

While I also came to learn that all these "gaming tweaks" and "optimisations" usually don't deliver any real differences or significant improvements over something not having these "gaming optimisations".

The issue with Lutris is that, as far as I'm aware, there are still things that don't work as well with its Flatpak version vs Native version. The one thing that I recall was that Steam can't control / monitor the run status of games run by Flatpak Lutris - which could be an issue for a distro where user is expected to be on Steam's Game Mode a lot of the times.

For a distro based on Fedora Atomic that is meant to be as battery-included (ready-to-use) as possible, it does need to include a lot of things. This is their goal - and for the most part the issue has been the sheer amount of devices they support.

Which is where kernel is an issue. I used NixOS with nix-cachyos-kernel flake. Even with THAT there are still a number of things that don't work and performance was garbage (it was already garbage with the default kernel tbh). And that's with a kernel based on the distro that is most focused on performance. As soon as I actually switched to CachyOS itself, everything becomes so much faster. Even back on Bazzite, I've had days where after a while my ROG Ally slows down and I need to restart - something which hasn't been an issue with CachyOS as I left it for the past few days to sync files from my server and download my games from Steam. At the same time, Bazzite also did some work with HHD which requires working some custom kernel and config stuff - those are getting semi-abandoned, but not fully as they do want to bring things like ROG/View Button Switching even after the InputPlumber migration.

At the same time, these are versions of the kernel for specific usecase. Linux is still predominantly used for servers - Valve and everyone else do try to upstream what they can, but obviously not everything can make it upstream. Nevermind the need to just move fast and support hardware if we want people to take Linux seriously as a desktop OS and not just get easily dismissed with, "Yeah, it's cool, but it doesn't support my hardware until months later, so it's a useless OS for me."

It does matter - a lot of these does matter. I used to be someone who scoffed at all these custom stuff but after trying to do it myself, I really do appreciate how well they make these things as ready-to-use as possible even for newbies.

My experience seems to differ a lot. But first of I am a Tumbleweed user since forever. Hardware support on rolling release is usually not a big deal. It's all those pesky point-releases drawing the "Linux does not support new hardware"-image. While I say, a point release has nothing to do on a Desktop system.

As of CachyOS being so much faster I can not confirm. Everything I benchmark myself (with Tumbleweed vs Cachy) was roughly on par. Sometimes Cachy delivered a few more frames sometimes Tumbleweed. Most of the time neither did.

Tbh I don't know what TW does with their -default Kernel as there's also a -vanilla Linux kernel in the repos. Maybe they do some optimisations themselves which is why it doesn't get outperformed by Cachy.

As of unsupported Hardware I didn't ran into any systems not supported by Tumbleweed. Sure they do not have dedicated images for certain hardware as like Bazzite does. There's just one version (not counting Tumbleweed based distros like Kalpa or Aeon here). Also I do only own regular PCs, Laptop and a SteamDeck. Neither of which required extra tweaks or drivers (besides NVIDIA) to run properly.

Using stuff like OpenRGB made all the RGB stuff work as well.

No need for extra input drivers for the SteamDecks trackpads or extra buttons. They just worked (assuming Steam is running otherwise they where mapped to Keyboard and Mouse)

And so one. Zero issue since years. No need for a dedicated distro either. But I might as well not run the problematic systems, maybe, which is why I didn't ran into issues.

I am not sure if I understood the first thing you said right. What can't be controlled by flatpak Lutris? Inhibit screensaver? Sure this works. That's what portals and DBUS is made for.

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Quoting: PaldinoXWhats wrong with Fedora?

Quoting: AsciiWolfWhy? Fedora is one of the best polished and easy to use distros nowadays.

The better question is, what is not wrong with Fedora. But also I am not willing to discuss this with random strangers in the GoL comments section. Sounds like a waste of effort.

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"Reduce duplicate efforts", "replacing Lutris with fagus launcher" ... Nobody forced them not to use Flatpaks...

This really sounds like a self inflicted issue caused by point-releases and their cravings to package everything downstream instead. Then call it a win to form an organization to fix what they caused themselves...

I mean nobody prohibited them to push their modifications to the mainline kernel even before.

While I also came to learn that all these "gaming tweaks" and "optimisations" usually don't deliver any real differences or significant improvements over something not having these "gaming optimisations".

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Fedora based ... no thanks

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Quoting: vertigo

Quoting: The_Real_Bitterman

Quoting: vertigoMakes sense, it's feature complete and superseded by RTX Remix.

There is a RTX Remix? Always thought this only works on DirectX 9 titles as this is what nvidia made the remix studio for. Since OG Quake uses OpenGL as it's default engine I never expected a RTX Remix here.

Oh yeah, that's a very good point. Remix works with DX8 and DX9 games so maybe a source port would work?

Probably. I mean there was WinQuake of the first Quake which uses DirectX instead. And also made John Carmack not like DX over all 😅

I am very much certain someone will have made a DirectX port of Quake 2 over the years.

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Quoting: RedjeI consider myself a casual user.
And I don’t really get the hype for flatpak. Me and friend of mine had several big annoying bugs. For example; in the steam flatplat my nvidia 3080 mobile was not working in games. And games installed outside flatpak worked just fine. And also apps just not working with flatpak, and local app just working as expected.

Flatpak is out there for 10years+ or so? And still such big issues…

This is a distribution or user issue not flatpak I'd assume.

Flatpak will install the required flatpak Nvidia driver runtimes automatically.

If you disable auto update in Gnome-Software or KDE Discover these runtimes will not be updated, apparently. As soon as your host system installs a new Nvidia driver package. Hence, the Nvidia driver is not "properly" installed for your flats.

Same happens with Mesa. Except that Mesa on the host can work with out-of-date Mesa in flatpak and does not require both to match the exact same version.

Simply run flatpak update and all your flats will work on your Nvidia GPU. Edit: Unless you have unloaded the Nvidia driver somehow by using things like prime-select. Which is unlikely as RTX 30 series do not require it anymore due to proper power management and offloading support since GTX 16 series and newer.

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I'm interested in whether if or when Valve will adopt Flatpak itself as their primary distribution format for the Steam Client.

Ngl Steam with flatpak might not be perfect especially if you have to grand it directory access to anything outside home. But for me personally Steam flatpak has been overall the best experience compared to their own dep package or any repack for any other distribution in their respective native packaging format.

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Quoting: vertigoMakes sense, it's feature complete and superseded by RTX Remix.

There is a RTX Remix? Always thought this only works on DirectX 9 titles as this is what nvidia made the remix studio for. Since OG Quake uses OpenGL as it's default engine I never expected a RTX Remix here.

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As I once used Bazzite I had an issue where after a fresh install and on Desktop Mode (nvidia system Steam Big Picture still isn't working right...) was that it at random complained about read-only file system for files I just created in my home directory a second before... But that was Bazzite 41 I guess. It's been a while and I assume they fixed it. Unfortunately as I was not very well able to proceed I never got to test it any further back then. Maybe give it another try.

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