Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: MohandevirThing is, the Steam Deck is already a success. The Steam Deck 2 will come, no matter what happens with the Ally, better, stronger and more feature stacked. Time will tell if Asus will still be in the handheld market, at that time.

the issue is, valve said they wont be relasing steam deck 2 any time soon, people were expecting an console life cycle of ~5 years, maybe a bit less maybe much more.
if valve relase an steam deck 2 any time soon, people would feel betreayed so they are in an complicated situation.
i think the only solution would be to drop the price, its definitelly possible, but then people who purchased an deck recently will want something as it happened with the people who purchased a few time prior to the sale where they gave it an discount.

i dont know how much they will have to drop the prices and if the new price should be permanent or not.
hopefully its not even nescessary, but asus being able to do an world wide launch before the deck , and the deck having to drop the prices sooner than valve expected can be a major blow.

Maybe... Or an actual Steam Deck refresh with better battery and 1tb nvme at the top tier. Maybe put a 128gb nvme in the low tier and the 512gb in the mid tier?

Just throwing ideas...

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Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: MohandevirIf so, I'll wait for the Steam Deck 2, in this case.

smokescreen or not that might kill the momentum that the deck have.
microsoft is famous for doing (among other stuff) vaporwares, promisse something, never deliver, but manage to kill the interest on the competition product, kinect was an good example, i was one of the ones fooled by the milo demo and one who thought "purchasing 4 wii motes to play with 4 persons is worse than purchasing one single kinect to play with a lot of people) not to mention xbox360 had better graphics than the wii.
luckly for me i was too poor to purchase any, otherwise i would regreat.

Thing is, the Steam Deck is already a success. The Steam Deck 2 will come, no matter what happens with the Ally, better, stronger and more feature stacked. Time will tell if Asus will still be in the handheld market, at that time.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: MohandevirIn my case, battery autonomy is make or break. If all this raw power is wasted because you need to cap everything to gain minutes of playtime... What are you getting? A little more powerful Steam Deck with less input options, unreadable 3rd party apps, crapy os interactions and still worse battery autonomy (the Steam Deck's autonomy is already to the limit)?

It occurs to me that this bad feature of the Ally would compound with a bad feature of the OS they're using--with little battery time it seems to me you'd really want to be able to easily suspend a game and stop using battery, but someone was saying with Windows it won't do that.

Have you looked at the comments section of the video posted by @Slaapliedje?

Quoting: Slaapliedjehttps://youtube.com/watch?v=qLVgr29NMA0

4k thumbs up for the comment about the missing suspend/resume. By far the most liked comment. Didn't think it was such a big deal.

I must admit that without it...

*Low battery warning*
"-Oh! I must find the next save spot real fast..."
*System shutdown!*
"God... CENSORED!!! CENSORED handheld!"
:grin:

Edit: Sorry, there is a comment with more thumbsup, but it's about the video editing. :grin:

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Just speaking about the value of the Ally... From what I read from different sources, I'm totally unconvinced... Like most of the PCGamers, I already have a more powerful PC... That's why I use my Steam Deck in handheld mode 95% of the time. The other 5% is for couch coop gaming and these games are not usually resource huggers. In my case, battery autonomy is make or break. If all this raw power is wasted because you need to cap everything to gain minutes of playtime... What are you getting? A little more powerful Steam Deck with less input options, unreadable 3rd party apps, crapy os interactions and still worse battery autonomy (the Steam Deck's autonomy is already to the limit)?

If it's a handheld as long as your power cord (who first said that? 😉), It kinds of defeat the purpose and makes it feel like a big marketing smokescreen, to me.

If so, I'll wait for the Steam Deck 2, in this case.

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Available at BestBuy... Physical presence or only online? This could hurt the Steam Deck.

Imo, GPD, OneXPlayer and AyaNeo are in danger.

I guess we'll see...

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If at least it was possible to sync more than one controller per dongles... Like the Steam Controllers. I don't have much usb ports available on my Nvidia Shield or Steam Deck docking station... Even the Ultimate Bluetooth edition requires a dongle per controller, in bluetooth mode? Am I getting it wrong? Doesn't make sense... Must be badly formulated or my english is just bad...

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Exactly why I don't bother buying games at full price, on launch day, anymore. I always wait about a year for the first Steam sales and then reconsider, depending on the game state. On day one, AAA titles are bugfests accross all platforms, most of the time. They don't deserve my money.

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If it was that easy to beat the Steam Deck, Aya Neo and OneXPlayer would have beaten it. They already have these "more powerful" devices. Thing is, SteamOS is a major reason of the Steam Deck's success. Windows is unfit for the task and Gamescope-Session comes with lots of "push a button" features that Windows doesn't have at all or requires you to hack into it.

On top of that, from comments I read on forums, many users value the Steam validation tool, because it gives an easy way to know if the game is a good fit for a handheld (button mapping, text and UI scale and all these things that do not link to games that don't run on a Linux OS). This and the awesome community support that the Steam Deck as gained.

Thank you, but no thank you. I'll wait for the Steam Deck 2 that will blow the Asus Ally out of the water, like every new device that comes to the market, at a much lower price.

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Quoting: EikeI would have never seen this b(r)etzel thing if you had not talked so much about it, and now I cannot unsee it!

Lol! Sorry.

Personally, it's not really an issue.

This said, I didn't even mentionned possible interferences... Valve warned user to be careful when replacing the original nvme because it could cause interferences. Could be similar with the screens. Some may cause interferences, other may be too sensible to them. Every time you change a component in such a compact design, you must revalidate the whole thing. There are always unforseen surprises... Sometimes good, sometimes bad.

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Quoting: CatKiller

Quoting: MohandevirMy point is more pixels means more strain on the APU. Unless the Steam Deck 2 comes with a much more powerful APU, which may mean shorter battery autonomy, that's a tradeoff I would avoid.

For sure, it's definitely a balance that need to be struck. APU and battery tech improvements might cover it by the time the next gen is ready, and if they don't just stick with the lower res.

As for the bezel thing it might be caused by the internal components that require too much space?

Nah, it's because they were trying to hit a price point, the same as it not having great colour reproduction. The bezel is the (quite chunky in this case) part of the screen that doesn't display anything. Having pixels that go all, or almost all, the way to the edge is an engineering challenge, so displays where they've managed to do so are more expensive.

Still, I wonder what design choice they would have made in using a 1280x800 8" no bezel screen... Meaning, keep the exact display size surface and just remove the actual bezels. Could the Steam Deck get smaller? Would it cause airflow issues? Does these no-bezel screens generate more heat than the one they chose?

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