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Quoting: GuestWhat's stupid is asking a bunch of Linux users to go create an account on your forum to go post a +1 for Proton support

I get your point. I was just saying that I don't think it's only a taunt. I really think they did that to "monitor" the success of the Steam Deck and what could be in it for them.

They have tools behind the scenes on Steam to see all those numbers. This is just theater.

Mmmm... To what purpose? Because, if I think reverse and I'm a Steam Windows user that already got a Ubisoft catalogue in my Steam library and I'm interrested into buying a Steam Deck... How does it shows in the internal Steam stats?

Someone saying they are buying a Deck doesn't mean they actually will do what they said. The data in the forum is 100% baseless and useless info. The tools behind the scenes that I spoke about tell them how many players use Proton etc, which is far more valuable info than random people saying they will do something that they haven't done yet.

Yep, but if I'm a Windows user that reserved a Steam Deck, I'm not using Proton and doesn't show up on any internal stats... Am I wrong?

You're not wrong there. And you can cancel that steam deck order at any time, making what you said useless. There is no tracking or accountability to a forum post so it doesn't really show any real support for anything.

Imo, the "cancel order" argument can go both ways (Linux or Windows). What I would like to know it's what's the best way to know how many Windows users are manifesting interrest in buying the Steam Deck? I'm quite sure that Ubisoft doesn't care for the actual 1% Linux users. They are searching for a way of finding out how many potential converts the Steam Deck will bring.

The best most cost-effective way I can say would be to send Battleye an email, include support for it and see what shakes out. It can't be any easier than that with Valve doing the tech support for them and the porting. What could be done to make it any easier on them?

Doing that could cause a lot of damage to the game, if it's not well tested and then a breach is found that allows lots of new bots/cheaters... They want to know before investing money in that kind of support. Remember? It's all about money.

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Sounds like if it allows a bunch of bots or cheaters they picked the wrong Anti-Cheat. Anti-cheat is officially supported so it's no different than any other platform at this point.

Imo, that piece of tech is too young for that. Like all new technologies there is a testing phase, if we ever come to the point where AC Proton support can be considered 100% thrustworthy. There is too much money involved.

Game development companies pay anti-cheat companies to offset their resources because they're two totally separate industries. UbiSoft isn't testing against cheats often unless something is off and they're trying to figure it out, which then they would take it up with Battleye. Battleye has released a fully supported version of their anti-cheat to work with Proton, it's no different than any other platform. Saying that there is worry about a new version of Battleye says you are worried the company you paid for anti-cheat support is not doing a good job. I don't feel this has anything at all to do with it.

The only thing I can tell you it's if I was an online game developper, I wouldn't install any AC (Proton or not) without thorough testing... You never put any untested piece of tech on a production system... Ever! Basic IT. Some part of your own software may interfere with the tech and create problems. Proton AC support may be supported, but it doesn't work at kernel level. Completely different approach. It requires testing.

I'll leave it at that.

It's always good to run through a test, but it's a button click to active support. It's not changing their code. But sure, they should test the game with it running a bit. You're making a mountain out of a molehill though. Ark and Arma 3 already have it enabled.

Rust too... They were in the original testing pool, when Valve announced they were working on AC Support in Proton... 2 years ago?

Edit: Sorry I think Rust is not ready yet... Am I wrong?

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Quoting: GuestWhat's stupid is asking a bunch of Linux users to go create an account on your forum to go post a +1 for Proton support

I get your point. I was just saying that I don't think it's only a taunt. I really think they did that to "monitor" the success of the Steam Deck and what could be in it for them.

They have tools behind the scenes on Steam to see all those numbers. This is just theater.

Mmmm... To what purpose? Because, if I think reverse and I'm a Steam Windows user that already got a Ubisoft catalogue in my Steam library and I'm interrested into buying a Steam Deck... How does it shows in the internal Steam stats?

Someone saying they are buying a Deck doesn't mean they actually will do what they said. The data in the forum is 100% baseless and useless info. The tools behind the scenes that I spoke about tell them how many players use Proton etc, which is far more valuable info than random people saying they will do something that they haven't done yet.

Yep, but if I'm a Windows user that reserved a Steam Deck, I'm not using Proton and doesn't show up on any internal stats... Am I wrong?

You're not wrong there. And you can cancel that steam deck order at any time, making what you said useless. There is no tracking or accountability to a forum post so it doesn't really show any real support for anything.

Imo, the "cancel order" argument can go both ways (Linux or Windows). What I would like to know it's what's the best way to know how many Windows users are manifesting interrest in buying the Steam Deck? I'm quite sure that Ubisoft doesn't care for the actual 1% Linux users. They are searching for a way of finding out how many potential converts the Steam Deck will bring.

The best most cost-effective way I can say would be to send Battleye an email, include support for it and see what shakes out. It can't be any easier than that with Valve doing the tech support for them and the porting. What could be done to make it any easier on them?

Doing that could cause a lot of damage to the game, if it's not well tested and then a breach is found that allows lots of new bots/cheaters... They want to know before investing money in that kind of support. Remember? It's all about money.

'

Sounds like if it allows a bunch of bots or cheaters they picked the wrong Anti-Cheat. Anti-cheat is officially supported so it's no different than any other platform at this point.

Imo, that piece of tech is too young for that. Like all new technologies there is a testing phase, if we ever come to the point where AC Proton support can be considered 100% thrustworthy. There is too much money involved.

Game development companies pay anti-cheat companies to offset their resources because they're two totally separate industries. UbiSoft isn't testing against cheats often unless something is off and they're trying to figure it out, which then they would take it up with Battleye. Battleye has released a fully supported version of their anti-cheat to work with Proton, it's no different than any other platform. Saying that there is worry about a new version of Battleye says you are worried the company you paid for anti-cheat support is not doing a good job. I don't feel this has anything at all to do with it.

The only thing I can tell you it's if I was an online game developper, I wouldn't install any AC (Proton or not) without thorough testing... You never put any untested piece of tech on a production system... Ever! Basic IT. Some part of your own software may interfere with the tech and create problems. Proton AC support may be supported, but it doesn't work at kernel level. Completely different approach. It requires testing.

I'll leave it at that.

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Quoting: GuestWhat's stupid is asking a bunch of Linux users to go create an account on your forum to go post a +1 for Proton support

I get your point. I was just saying that I don't think it's only a taunt. I really think they did that to "monitor" the success of the Steam Deck and what could be in it for them.

They have tools behind the scenes on Steam to see all those numbers. This is just theater.

Mmmm... To what purpose? Because, if I think reverse and I'm a Steam Windows user that already got a Ubisoft catalogue in my Steam library and I'm interrested into buying a Steam Deck... How does it shows in the internal Steam stats?

Someone saying they are buying a Deck doesn't mean they actually will do what they said. The data in the forum is 100% baseless and useless info. The tools behind the scenes that I spoke about tell them how many players use Proton etc, which is far more valuable info than random people saying they will do something that they haven't done yet.

Yep, but if I'm a Windows user that reserved a Steam Deck, I'm not using Proton and doesn't show up on any internal stats... Am I wrong?

You're not wrong there. And you can cancel that steam deck order at any time, making what you said useless. There is no tracking or accountability to a forum post so it doesn't really show any real support for anything.

Imo, the "cancel order" argument can go both ways (Linux or Windows). What I would like to know it's what's the best way to know how many Windows users are manifesting interrest in buying the Steam Deck? I'm quite sure that Ubisoft doesn't care for the actual 1% Linux users. They are searching for a way of finding out how many potential converts the Steam Deck will bring.

The best most cost-effective way I can say would be to send Battleye an email, include support for it and see what shakes out. It can't be any easier than that with Valve doing the tech support for them and the porting. What could be done to make it any easier on them?

Doing that could cause a lot of damage to the game, if it's not well tested and then a breach is found that allows lots of new bots/cheaters... They want to know before investing money in that kind of support. Remember? It's all about money.

'

Sounds like if it allows a bunch of bots or cheaters they picked the wrong Anti-Cheat. Anti-cheat is officially supported so it's no different than any other platform at this point.

Imo, that piece of tech is too young for that. Like all new technologies there is a testing phase, if we ever come to the point where AC Proton support can be considered 100% thrustworthy. There is too much money involved.

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Quoting: GuestWhat's stupid is asking a bunch of Linux users to go create an account on your forum to go post a +1 for Proton support

I get your point. I was just saying that I don't think it's only a taunt. I really think they did that to "monitor" the success of the Steam Deck and what could be in it for them.

They have tools behind the scenes on Steam to see all those numbers. This is just theater.

Mmmm... To what purpose? Because, if I think reverse and I'm a Steam Windows user that already got a Ubisoft catalogue in my Steam library and I'm interrested into buying a Steam Deck... How does it shows in the internal Steam stats?

Someone saying they are buying a Deck doesn't mean they actually will do what they said. The data in the forum is 100% baseless and useless info. The tools behind the scenes that I spoke about tell them how many players use Proton etc, which is far more valuable info than random people saying they will do something that they haven't done yet.

Yep, but if I'm a Windows user that reserved a Steam Deck, I'm not using Proton and doesn't show up on any internal stats... Am I wrong?

You're not wrong there. And you can cancel that steam deck order at any time, making what you said useless. There is no tracking or accountability to a forum post so it doesn't really show any real support for anything.

Imo, the "cancel order" argument can go both ways (Linux or Windows). What I would like to know it's what's the best way to know how many Windows users are manifesting interrest in buying the Steam Deck? I'm quite sure that Ubisoft doesn't care for the actual 1% Linux users. They are searching for a way of finding out how many potential converts the Steam Deck will bring.

The best most cost-effective way I can say would be to send Battleye an email, include support for it and see what shakes out. It can't be any easier than that with Valve doing the tech support for them and the porting. What could be done to make it any easier on them?

Doing that could cause a lot of damage to the game, if it's not well tested and then a breach is found that allows lots of new bots/cheaters... They want to know before investing money in that kind of support. Remember? It's all about money.

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Quoting: GuestWhat's stupid is asking a bunch of Linux users to go create an account on your forum to go post a +1 for Proton support

I get your point. I was just saying that I don't think it's only a taunt. I really think they did that to "monitor" the success of the Steam Deck and what could be in it for them.

They have tools behind the scenes on Steam to see all those numbers. This is just theater.

Mmmm... To what purpose? Because, if I think reverse and I'm a Steam Windows user that already got a Ubisoft catalogue in my Steam library and I'm interrested into buying a Steam Deck... How does it shows in the internal Steam stats?

Someone saying they are buying a Deck doesn't mean they actually will do what they said. The data in the forum is 100% baseless and useless info. The tools behind the scenes that I spoke about tell them how many players use Proton etc, which is far more valuable info than random people saying they will do something that they haven't done yet.

Yep, but if I'm a Windows user that reserved a Steam Deck, I'm not using Proton and doesn't show up on any internal stats... Am I wrong?

You're not wrong there. And you can cancel that steam deck order at any time, making what you said useless. There is no tracking or accountability to a forum post so it doesn't really show any real support for anything.

Imo, the "cancel order" argument can go both ways (Linux or Windows). What I would like to know it's what's the best way to know how many Windows users are manifesting interrest in buying the Steam Deck? I'm quite sure that Ubisoft doesn't care for the actual 1% Linux users. They are searching for a way of finding out how many potential converts the Steam Deck will bring.

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Quoting: GuestWhat's stupid is asking a bunch of Linux users to go create an account on your forum to go post a +1 for Proton support

I get your point. I was just saying that I don't think it's only a taunt. I really think they did that to "monitor" the success of the Steam Deck and what could be in it for them.

They have tools behind the scenes on Steam to see all those numbers. This is just theater.

Mmmm... To what purpose? Because, if I think reverse and I'm a Steam Windows user that already got a Ubisoft catalogue in my Steam library and I'm interrested into buying a Steam Deck... How does it shows in the internal Steam stats?

Someone saying they are buying a Deck doesn't mean they actually will do what they said. The data in the forum is 100% baseless and useless info. The tools behind the scenes that I spoke about tell them how many players use Proton etc, which is far more valuable info than random people saying they will do something that they haven't done yet.

Yep, but if I'm a Windows user that reserved a Steam Deck, I'm not using Proton and doesn't show up on any internal stats... Am I wrong?

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Quoting: GuestWhat's stupid is asking a bunch of Linux users to go create an account on your forum to go post a +1 for Proton support

I get your point. I was just saying that I don't think it's only a taunt. I really think they did that to "monitor" the success of the Steam Deck and what could be in it for them.

They have tools behind the scenes on Steam to see all those numbers. This is just theater.

Mmmm... To what purpose? Because, if I think reverse and I'm a Steam Windows user that already got a Ubisoft catalogue in my Steam library and I'm interrested into buying a Steam Deck... How does it shows in the internal Steam stats?

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Quoting: GuestWhat's stupid is asking a bunch of Linux users to go create an account on your forum to go post a +1 for Proton support

I get your point. I was just saying that I don't think it's only a taunt. I really think they did that to "monitor" the success of the Steam Deck and what could be in it for them.

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Quoting: nenoroMeanwhile people who wait for the Division 2, wildlands (for co-op) and breakpoint

it's just a taunt from ubisoft.

Just a reminder Stadia uses linux but because Google showed the green paper and Ubisoft was attracted to it

Ubisoft... It's always about money, but it's even truer for them. If the Steam Deck becomes a huge success and it causes the thread to be filled with requests, they will surely have a serious look at it. I don't expect anything to happen before the release of the Steam Deck, though.

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Quoting: Liam DaweWhat this doesn't mean is Plasma is going to get "dumbed-down"

Are you talking to me?

Seriously, I was referring to SteamOS "custom KDE interface", from what I read, that might be dumbed-down (really look forward to see what Valve means by "custom KDE"). I don't expect stock KDE to be "dumbed-down", but sane defaults can't be a bad thing. I even proposed the idea of a "dumbed-down" fork of KDE, in the other thread:

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/11/kde-developer-thinks-they-will-become-the-windows-or-android-of-the-foss-world/comment_id=214078

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