Quoting: Caldathras

Quoting: PlayingOnLinuxphoneBut Linux is already "owned" by big tech companies. Google is one of the biggest contributors to kernel, Canonical is also contributing a majority to Debian while the company has the reputation of "Microsoft of the Linux world" (at least what some people write about),

You forgot Red Hat (IBM), Oracle Corporation and, technically, even System76 and Tuxedo Computers ...

😃

This is the power of open source, sharing and competition.
The tide that lifts all boats.
Google benefits greatly from its Linux ownership as such it has reason to make it better.

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  IBM too.


• Canonical too.


• Independent devs too.


• System76 too.


• Microsoft(Azure) too.


• Tuxedo computers too.


• Meta(Oculus vr) too.


• Valve too.


• Samsung too.


• Cisco too.


• The nsa too.


• Nvidia too.


• Arduino inc. too.

The improvements each of them adds make it better for everybody.
Causing each of them to gain even more value from it.
It also means that if one decides to screw others with it competition and freedom will keep them mostly in check.
None of these parties individually can be trusted with such a big project, yet open source and competition means that together they can.
I trust big tech, I'm basing my career on it. I just don't trust any of the big tech cooperation individually.

If everybody is super(user) nobody is. -- Syndrome, Pixar

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Quoting: kaktuspalme

Quoting: Purple Library Guy11% for English speaking . . . that's insane. But, once again says to me that something needs to be done about China not doing Linux.

I still don't understand why asian countries and china especially adopt Linux slower then the rest of the world. One would think they would be happy not relying on US closed source Software.

A. It depends on the asian country. India is an Asian country and has an 18% overall Linux penetration in their market.
B. This's deliberate market strategy. Microsoft has put a lot of resources and some excellent ideas to Asian ecosystem construction. They were already big in western markets when Asia started to become realistic and they used this to obtain marketshare.
A two tricks Microsoft pulled:
- intentional piracy in Asian markets.
Asian markets tend to have pretty protectionist policies one of which is forced technology transfer, but policy only works through legal methods. Piracy and smuggling circumvent official policy.
- solid localisation: asian languages are very well supported in Windows

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Quoting: Philadelphus

Based on the national poem of Finland

Which inspired both (parts of) The Silmarillion and Noita, so you know it's good!

It's easy to underestimate the amount of Nordic developed games.

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Quoting: whizse

Quoting: pb

Quoting: TaresThe only odd thing here is you.

Reported for harassment. 😝 (jk idc)

Oddness is a virtue, wear it like a crown! (or teacup [External Link] )

Something is a virtue, because it's brave.
Something is brave, because it has the chance of danger.
Dangerous tend to be considered bad to the level of becoming illegal.

Watch out with this advice.
Some of us are better off hiding their virtues.

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Quoting: Johnologue

Quoting: XpanderPeople still pre-order games?

It really makes no sense anymore. There aren't logistics involved with manufacturing or delivery with digital games, obviously...and the companies offering pre-orders are all huge legacy publishers that have consistently burned their reputation over the course of decades now.

People get hyped, it's an IP they know, they saw a cool trailer, whatever.
Even if we ignored every previous outcome, the big publishers and studios have only continued to decline in working conditions, continued the mass-layoffs, and now chances are, they're doing AI stuff.

It's endlessly frustrating that all of that is just reinforced as everyone rushes out to throw their money at a game like this again.

Preorders work as a very trustworthy form of market research. Look how much demand there is and only build the ones that get enough preorders. As such I exepect these people truly influence whether it gets build.
If you really want some game it might sense.

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A clear case of: I'm root, your point is moot.
I'm all for it.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: LoudTechie

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: CorbenIs known how they are putting these games on the store? I'm wondering how it will be labeled, as just "VR" won't be enough anymore. Right now we have (mostly) Windows games that just run on Linux and Steam Deck (if not too demanding, but techically they run). On Linux PC (i.e. x86, amd64 etc.). When VR games are compiled for arm though, will they run on PC too?
Will they create a seperate store/category for arm steam frame VR games?
Will PC VR gamers running HTC Vive, Valve Index etc. be able to play these games too or will they miss out? Is this was Lepton is aiming for, but only for Linux users? Don't get me wrong, the more Linux the better, yet VR is a niche, and if Windows VR gamers would not be able to play those games too, it's a loss.

They might have the restriction that ARM games must be able to run on X86, too, just like there is (AFAIK) a restriction that any Linux native game must be available for Windows, too.

That restriction as far as I am aware does not exist. We've seen Linux-only releases on Steam, and we've also seen Linux+Mac only releases.

I have seen a developer complaining that they're not allowed to do it, and I've never seen someone doing it. Do you have an example?

Could it be their boss forbade them.
Linux isn't a very profitable market yet.

It was a little indie game by a Linux fan, so no bosses involved. :)

Ah, I didn't know that.
That indeed doesn't really lend credibility to my hypothesis.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: Eike

Quoting: CorbenIs known how they are putting these games on the store? I'm wondering how it will be labeled, as just "VR" won't be enough anymore. Right now we have (mostly) Windows games that just run on Linux and Steam Deck (if not too demanding, but techically they run). On Linux PC (i.e. x86, amd64 etc.). When VR games are compiled for arm though, will they run on PC too?
Will they create a seperate store/category for arm steam frame VR games?
Will PC VR gamers running HTC Vive, Valve Index etc. be able to play these games too or will they miss out? Is this was Lepton is aiming for, but only for Linux users? Don't get me wrong, the more Linux the better, yet VR is a niche, and if Windows VR gamers would not be able to play those games too, it's a loss.

They might have the restriction that ARM games must be able to run on X86, too, just like there is (AFAIK) a restriction that any Linux native game must be available for Windows, too.

That restriction as far as I am aware does not exist. We've seen Linux-only releases on Steam, and we've also seen Linux+Mac only releases.

I have seen a developer complaining that they're not allowed to do it, and I've never seen someone doing it. Do you have an example?

Could it be their boss forbade them.
Linux isn't a very profitable market yet.

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Quoting: CorbenIs known how they are putting these games on the store? I'm wondering how it will be labeled, as just "VR" won't be enough anymore. Right now we have (mostly) Windows games that just run on Linux and Steam Deck (if not too demanding, but techically they run). On Linux PC (i.e. x86, amd64 etc.). When VR games are compiled for arm though, will they run on PC too?
Will they create a seperate store/category for arm steam frame VR games?
Will PC VR gamers running HTC Vive, Valve Index etc. be able to play these games too or will they miss out? Is this was Lepton is aiming for, but only for Linux users? Don't get me wrong, the more Linux the better, yet VR is a niche, and if Windows VR gamers would not be able to play those games too, it's a loss.

QUEMU can emulate in any direction. [External Link]
Windows on ARM exists, so ARM wouldn't be the problem.
The VR part could be.
You see Windows doesn't dominate the VR space.
All the major players run some level of POSIX/UNIX compatible OS.
This might drive devs to develop POSIX/UNIX centric games.
In theory it could probably be run with WSL and WSA.
Yet, as someone who has helped classmates use that garbage: that would be a major downgrade from the first class experience Windows users are used to.

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Quoting: JohnologueI think this really shows off how much long-term work Valve had to fund and wait for to make something like this possible. Without FEX, I imagine the Frame would have been x86-based to work as a "PC" and to play Steam games, but AFAIK most XR hardware is ARM-based. Without Proton, there wouldn't have even been a place to start. You can't make something like this while every game you distribute is stuck on Windows.

The tech industry likes talking about "magical experiences" whenever they do something particularly dystopian. I think Valve has actually created a "magical experience".

You can stuff x86 Windows games into an ARM Linux VR headset and expect them to run better than native.
How many years ago would each part of that sentence be utter madness?

Necromancers and blood mages are wizards too.
Just, because Disney tries to associate magic with happiness doesn't mean that's its meaning.

Edit:
I mean Judaism and Christianity see it as one of the most horrifying blasphemies.
The Islam treats it at most as something neutral.
Most magic in the work of the Grimm brothers is evil.
Disney is a bunch of artists trained to subvert expectations and succeeds, but it's still mostly a trope subversion to treat magic as something good.

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