Wonder how long before some exploit surfaces and to fix it they have to slow it down.

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100% Orange Juice? Yeah, I think I've already got that . . . let me check the fridge.

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Quoting: ShabbyX- A proposed feedback system in an earlier comment where players *proactively* suggest a rating for a game that doesn't already have one.

Just to be clear, I did not in fact propose players "*proactively*" suggesting ratings. I merely suggested that the feedback system that is coming into existence, which asks players questions about their experience of Verified games they are playing, could be extended to asking similar questions about games in other categories, possibly including the "Unknown" category. Not that that necessarily has much bearing on all the back-and-forth, but as long as you're defining what's been going on, might as well define it accurately.

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Quoting: ShabbyX

Quoting: PhiladelphusJust tried Warpinator for the first time yesterday for my use case of, every so many weeks, getting the photos I've taken off my phone and onto my computer, and it worked great. (Much better than connecting via cable, which always seems to randomly unmount if I so much as bump my phone once it's connected.) Thanks for making me aware of it!

Does your cable not get plugged in all the way? You might have gunk in the usb port (of the phone). I used a tooth pick sliced in half to be super thin, then scraped all the gunk out.

Ah, the complex mysteries of sophisticated technology!

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Quoting: mr-victory

Quoting: denyasisI was always under the impression that most/many of the Chromebooks were lower powered ARM chipsets? I'm assuming this is for x86 systems only?

Steam for ChromeOS is only for a few select devices, the reauitements for Steam on ChromeOS is i5/i7 CPU and 7 GB RAM. So very few of the Chromebooks.

Oh wow, thanks. Yeah I'm pretty sure that's totally beyond anything or local school systems use. Everything's web based, so the systems seem pretty basic.

Yeah, why the little buggers are so cheap. I mean, I don't think all that much of ChromeOS, but my wife has one and when we bought I was going "It costs how little?"
So, the numbers of people using this will probably be pretty low even though there's a surprising number of Chromebooks all told.

However, every so often there are signs that Google want to gradually migrate Chromebooks up the food chain. This is probably more about future, beefier Chromebooks than current ones. I presume they've realized that as soon as they have Chromebooks with enough oomph that they cost like a normal laptop, they will face questions about whether it can do anything, and specifically noticed the problem desktop Linux has been dealing with all these years--people won't shell out for a real laptop if it won't play their games.

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Quoting: ShabbyX

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: Purple Library GuySo just Verified? Might be good if they could figure something to ask about the other categories including Unsupported and Unknown.

The point isn't to crowdsource but to verify what's done.

Well, perhaps not Unknown then, although I think there's some grey area to "Crowdsourcing"--if they have a pool of "Unknowns" that people say are pretty playable, they wouldn't want to just trust that and designate, but it would be a good way to have an idea what games are good candidates to look at next, both because they have a good chance of going into at least "Playable" and because they know Deck users are playing them.

But both "Playable" and "Unsupported" are also the results of Valve doing an evaluation, and they could also be mistaken (or change), so would also be worth verifying.

They don't really need you to tell them the game is playable or verified. They know when and where and how long you play a game, they know when the game crashes etc:

- If you play a game for many hours without a crash on a steam deck: it's an indication of "verified"
- If you play a game for many hours with some crashes on a steam deck: it's an indication of "playable"
- If the gam crashes within minutes, or if rarely anyone plays it on deck for long: it's an indication of "unsupported"

Of course that's just heuristics, but it exactly serves the purpose you are talking about it.

Well, no it doesn't. The distinction between "verified", "playable", and "unsupported" doesn't actually have anything to do with crashes. Something can be "unsupported" even though it plays smoothly and fairly satisfyingly with never a crash--if there's a cutscene that doesn't play, it's "unsupported". And technically, a game can be "Verified" even if it crashes quite a bit--as long as every single bit of the game plays correctly, and it works well with the screen size and the Deck controls. So no, that heuristic wouldn't tell a thing about the categories as Valve draws them.

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: Purple Library GuySo just Verified? Might be good if they could figure something to ask about the other categories including Unsupported and Unknown.

The point isn't to crowdsource but to verify what's done.

Well, perhaps not Unknown then, although I think there's some grey area to "Crowdsourcing"--if they have a pool of "Unknowns" that people say are pretty playable, they wouldn't want to just trust that and designate, but it would be a good way to have an idea what games are good candidates to look at next, both because they have a good chance of going into at least "Playable" and because they know Deck users are playing them.

But both "Playable" and "Unsupported" are also the results of Valve doing an evaluation, and they could also be mistaken (or change), so would also be worth verifying.

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So just Verified? Might be good if they could figure something to ask about the other categories including Unsupported and Unknown.

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Quoting: GuestI even had games listed as "Unsupported" which worked just fine with not a single issues for hours on Deck o.O

Somehow I now think they may associated some reports to the wrong game now reading the article.

It is important to note that Valve has said that if they find a problem with a single feature, even if it is rarely used, then the game will be marked as "Unsupported". "Playable" vs "Verified" is generally tied to things not being optimized for Steam Deck resolution, controller, text size, and other things tied specifically to being optimized for the Deck.

I.E. if a game is playable, but the cutscenes don't work due to Media Foundation, then the game is marked as "Unsupported"

Same applies to a game like Halo: Master Chief Collection, where the Single Player works, but Multiplayer doesn't due to EAC. The entire game has to be playable to be marked as "Playable" and the game has to be optimized for Steam Deck screen/controller/etc to be "Verified".

Nice summary of how the scheme works. I've been thinking that there's a whole lot lumped into "unsupported", from games that lots of people could play with perfect satisfaction to stuff that won't even start. They could maybe use a tiny bit more granularity in the "unsupported" category. Either that or ProtonDB is not going to be as obsolete as one might have imagined.

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It seems like quite a few games are having some work put into them to get Verified. I guess they're looking at it like a new platform that has so far fewer users, but significant potential . . . and they don't have to rewrite the whole damn game to get it working on the platform, just do a couple tweaks.

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