Quoting: razing32Kinda reminds me of those old Disney cartoons with the mice rescuing people.
Forget what they were called.

The Rescuers.

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Quoting: Zlopez

Quoting: Sir_DiealotIn other words they'll quit working on this one soon. Remember their big "Game and all DLC we'll ever release if you pre-order now" deal? Yeah, that's like three small pieces of DLC and you can get everything by buying that final edition as well? Probably soon at a lower price? Yes, that and that the game is pretty bad is why it's the last time I've fallen for something like that.

I don't know if you can say that the game is bad. I for change enjoyed the game, but it is really different from anything I played before. There are plenty of things you need to watch and you can get pretty lost sometimes, but it's always rewarding when you open up something new you didn't knew about before.

I really do appreciate that they did something different. Unfortunately it didn't turn out to be a good game. That would have been fine, but it's the UI that makes it a bad game. I had about a hundred ideas on how to improve it for the release version. They addressed some of the issues, but many remain. My thought back then was that it couldn't be properly fixed without dropping the free-form table metaphor.

Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Sir_DiealotIn other words they'll quit working on this one soon. Remember their big "Game and all DLC we'll ever release if you pre-order now" deal? Yeah, that's like three small pieces of DLC and you can get everything by buying that final edition as well? Probably soon at a lower price? Yes, that and that the game is pretty bad is why it's the last time I've fallen for something like that.

Tell me you wouldn't fall for something like that if Paradox offered it. :D

I wouldn't. I'm holding off on BattleTech until it is complete and finished. Not at all interested in their other games. I bought Stellaris once, and in hindsight that was a mistake.

Dude. Way to sidestep the joke.

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Quoting: Sir_DiealotIn other words they'll quit working on this one soon. Remember their big "Game and all DLC we'll ever release if you pre-order now" deal? Yeah, that's like three small pieces of DLC and you can get everything by buying that final edition as well? Probably soon at a lower price? Yes, that and that the game is pretty bad is why it's the last time I've fallen for something like that.

Tell me you wouldn't fall for something like that if Paradox offered it. :D

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Quoting: Salvatos

Quoting: EagleDeltaNothing really PR about it (other than the careful wording). The day-to-day prioritization of tasks/issues is very much a normal thing in development. All Dev decisions are weigh against impact, business need, risk, and so many other factors and prioritized based on that.

They essentially confirmed that they had paused support by neither saying nor denying it but vaguely qualifying Garry's claim and saying there are no long-term plan changes, which was never the subject. If that's not PR talk...

They could have been transparent and said something like "Yes, Linux support is currently on hold while our teams have their hands full with X and Y, but once that's cleared things will be back to normal."

Or alternatively they could have said "No, Linux support is not paused. We still have someone working on it." They didn't say either of those things; what they did say isn't actually inconsistent with, well, pretty much any reading of the situation.
My best guess is they did a pause, but only a little one which has little significance--someone whose file it is was asked to do some other urgent thing for a couple of weeks, or something. But that's based on just sort of the general impression their vagueness seems to be intended to give--and often when people get that vague it's precisely because they want to give an impression at odds with reality, without actually lying. So who knows?

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Quoting: LeerdeckSo the only source is a comment from Garry Newman. Saw this article posted on /games with all the extra drama shitshow in the comments. I mean you could have wait for a actual response from EAC for confirmation before people lose their shit in the comment sections and post crazy conspiracy theories...

Really, hardly anyone is losing their shit in the comment sections except the people ranting about "crazy conspiracy theories".

Incidentally, rule of thumb on what is and is not a conspiracy theory: It's not actually about whether you're describing people conspiring or having motivations they aren't disclosing, because both of those things happen a lot and don't in themselves make a theory implausible.
If the theory includes a question mark in the line before "Profit!" it's a conspiracy theory.

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Quoting: GuestIf Garry Newman is the only source on this so far I’d reserve judgement until Liam hears back from EAC themselves. He’s not exactly a trustworthy source

Perhaps. But it was a very specific and very fact-checkable statement, a pretty foolish way to lie.
Meanwhile, for those who are extremely reluctant to accuse companies of ever doing anything wrong, they have a problem either way; either EAC did drop support, which is bad, or a company person lied like a rug, which is also bad.

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Quoting: callcifer

Quoting: Smoke39Just a few posts ago you were pointing out that the Epic Store not being on Linux was more likely a logistical business decision rather than a malicious one. Why, then, is the suggestion that they made a similar business decision about EAC a farfetched "conspiracy theory"?

Because the business case for EAC supporting Linux is no different today than it was a month ago, with or without Epic. So the only reason people are arguing "it's because of Epic" is this weird conspiracy theory that these cartoon villians are deliberately trying to fuck with Linux users. Or are you telling me the business case for Linux has changed in a month?

So the business case didn't change, so it wasn't done for business reasons. But other reasons constitute cartoon villainy, believing in which would be weird conspiracy theory. So . . . it didn't happen, and EAC support for Linux is still intact? I dunno, when the only logical possibility you leave open is denial of reality, seems to me you need to revisit your logic. Maybe if you didn't overheat your descriptions so much, that would be easier to do.
So for instance, no, I think Smoke39 would say that Epic has a different view of business logic than the previous owners of EAC, and so having taken over they are applying their view. After all, it's clear that not every company, developer etc. has the same opinion about the business value of Linux support, or we wouldn't see some games supporting Linux and other games not doing so. No, we don't know that happened, but it's certainly not a bizarre speculation; new owners very often make policy changes.

Mind you, I personally am quite willing to believe in real people having some elements of cartoon-villainy. We see it more obviously in politicians, and businesses of course in theory are dedicated to non-cartoon villainy--pure selfishness at all costs, leavened by perceptions that too much anti-social behaviour could cause results that lower profits, but with no actual malice. But people apply logic to a pre-existing set of emotions, biases, a certain personal style. They may think their decision is just "business logic" and it may be consciously intended to maximize profits, but some people will persuade themselves that building community and maintaining a good reputation will maximize profits in the long term (even if maybe it won't) while others will persuade themselves that lying, cheating, stealing, and maximizing negative externalities (eg killing people with pollution) will maximize profits (even if maybe it won't).

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So developers sign contracts with these Easy Anti-Cheat people that allow them to withdraw the service from some users whenever they want? I'd start insisting on something a bit more ironclad.

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Quoting: ScooptaLol, no need to get butt hurt, I'm just stating my opinion......

Butt-hurt? Really? Who is butt-hurt every time when benchmark results and GPU statistics are shown?
The only thing I want when commenting about nVidia or AMD is to show that opinion of AMD fanboys doesn't need to be understood as the true. After reading comments on Linux gaming forums, some people can decide that buying AMD is better choice and it's doing a lot of damage to Linux OS. I would like if there was a choice, but right now there isn't and it doesn't look that there will be soon.

Well, even if you was a Kernel developer, I don't see a reason why anybody would ask a Kernel developer about the choice of graphic card? Majority of people will check the tests and make their own decision. You can complain about that as much as you want. Your opinion doesn't mater the slightest.

That was rude.

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Quoting: EikeI might be understanding this all wrong, but... They're making middleware, right? Which doesn't support Linux. So if people want to support Linux, they probably will kot be using their product. (You don't want to use two middleware libs for the same stuff.) So isn't proposing to potential users of their product not to support Linux, so these can actually make real use of their product about the only reasonable thing they can say?

Well, if I'm selling you a car and you want four wheel drive and my cars don't have four wheel drive, then sure, I'll try to persuade you that four wheel drive isn't as important a feature as you think it is. But if I'm selling you a translation service and you want it to be used by, among others, Croatian speakers and my service doesn't include Croatian, it would be unpleasant of me to try to persuade you that Croatian speakers are unimportant and you should just ditch them. Saying "You should just dump Linux" is closer to the latter than the former. It's the difference between "I don't have a feature but you don't really need it so buy my thing anyway" and "I don't have a feature so you should throw the users under the bus who need it and buy my thing anyway". There's something a tad tasteless about the latter. Especially for those of us under that bus, to be sure, but there is a general ethical point there.

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