Quoting: TheBoss

Quoting: cRaZy-bisCuiTI do LOVE <3 RTS games! What do you mean by "another" RTS? I don't know ANY major RTS on Linux apart from the (still buggy) 0a.d. which I do love! I'm not sure though if I'll Cossacks - I just don't knot the game. I'm happy to see a day 1 release!

Well we have the Planetary Annihilation games and Company of Heroes 2 which are two traditional ones, but I meant "another" as in we will actually have another.

What about that pretty-looking one that happens in the dark? What was it called . . . Nightside! That was it.

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Quoting: lucifertdarkDisqus is so bad I've completely blocked it on my machine, I never want to see or use it. My thanks also for you not swapping to it, although never hearing from me again might be seen as a bonus by some. ;)

I'm not a huge fan of Disqus (and I'm perfectly happy that the commenting here is staying as is) but what really rots my socks is places that do Facebook commenting. Bastards. I am not going to get sucked into the Facebook morass just to comment on some stupid site.

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Quoting: MalOh God. You gotta read this [External Link].

My already low respect for consoletards got even lower. :O

Anyway, a Pearl among this moronic nonsense galore:

I've said it over and over, we're focused on the best place to play for gamers, not about creating walls.

Phil Spencer :whistle:

Ooookay. What a weird hissy fit. I'm trying to wrap my head around the point of view . . . Sorry, can't resist, but it looks a lot like the reasoning behind opposing gay marriage.

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Quoting: ricki42The Windows store is even more restrictive than just no cross-buy. Apparently at least currently there's
* no SLI support
* Vsync is always on, g-sync/freesync doesn't work
* no overlays
* no .exe files, thus also no modding
* no overlays
* always borderless fullscreen
* no controllers other than the x-box controller
I just hope even many Windows gamers will draw the line at this point and not buy into this. At least a lot of people still remember GFWL and are skeptical.

Very succinct summary. I think in particular the no modding won't go over well. I wonder how PC gamers will take the controller thing.
And the screen thing suggests a question: How does this work with multiple monitors?

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Edit: Aaagh. After reading a bit further, I realized my comment here was utterly wrong and based on a complete misunderstanding of the situation I was commenting on. Nothing to see here, move along.

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Whatever game will shut up the most people saying "But there aren't any AAA games on SteamOS!"

On a more personal level, I'd love to see Galactic Civilizations III, but Stardock seems to be a depressingly Windows-Only kind of shop.

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I'm sure this has come up before, but I find it interesting what a huge gulf there is between the proportion of AMD users running an open source driver (more than half!) vs. the proportion of Nvidia users running an open source driver (Like 2%!)

It's always been pretty clear that on one hand, the AMD proprietary drivers suck and its open source drivers are fairly decent, and on the other hand, the Nvidia proprietary drivers are fairly decent while (largely because Nvidia are unco-operative bastards) its open source drivers suck. But I hadn't realized the contrast was quite this dramatic.

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Meh. I bet it's really slow. You'll be waiting forever for stuff to render. (rimshot)

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Quoting: Guest^If the platform had been marketed better, it would be dominating the market. Despite it's shitty state of 1.0 release.

Because I mean imagine the ad: "over 1500 games available!" people would go :woot:

That can actually still be done, wouldn't be as effective as pre-release, but it will still be effective.

Well, you and ChrisQ do have a point. To be honest, I've started to feel like Valve have almost treated the Steam Machine launch as a really extended beta--like, they didn't feel like they were really quite ready to give it the hard push it needed to go places, because it still had too many rough edges and maybe not as many games as they wanted and drivers weren't where they wanted them and stuff, but at the same time they couldn't do "Valve Time" any further, having already delayed the launch one year and pissed off their hardware collaborators--and at least they had the controller pretty much where they wanted it. So they did a soft, semi-beta launch to test the market, give them time to work out the rough edges, get feedback etc., and maybe next fall they'll do a bigger push with newer machines running a newer version of SteamOS and more available games.

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Quoting: eddie-foss

Quoting: tuubi

Quoting: eddie-fossPS.: SteamOS is a mess compared with any distro, there is no consistent game/software packaging like we have in all linux distros, there is no dependencies check and there is no file duplication check.

What exactly do you mean? Steam handles the installation of games and their dependencies (the Steam Runtime) and behind the scenes SteamOS--being a Debian derivative--uses APT for package management to cater for the rest of the system.

But SteamOS is obviously not supposed to compete with all-rounders like Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch and the like. It's just a purpose-built vehicle for Steam. If that's not what you want, go ahead and run Steam on another, supported distribution like Ubuntu. Obviously you're not part of the target audience for SteamOS. Neither am I, so don't take this the wrong way.

If you do checksum for all files with same name you will see many duplicated and actually most of the games has a folder with their needed dependencies which some of them is redundant.
In my years of linux I learned that symlinks is a very eficient tool to avoid the flaw of unpatched cloned files.

Redundant . . . now. You missed the time element. Games are not open source packages. They will not get updated forever. Distro packagers will not carefully make sure the version of Victor Vran they ship works with the libraries they also ship. It is wise to include some of their own dependencies in their own folder; in five years, the game will be the same and want the same dependencies, but the OS will have moved forward and the libraries will be a few versions ahead. Depend entirely on the OS' versions and you will get breakage over time. Depend on versions the game has with it and it will keep running fine quite a bit longer. Takes up space, but disk space is ludicrous cheap, especially on most gaming machines, and the kind of libraries that go in dependencies are small.

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