Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: CaldathrasInteresting. I was forced to 580 from the 550 series. Wasn't given a choice. Based on the link below, Nvidia no longer supports the 550 series, by the way:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/

To do that I had to drop my kernel to 6.14 (which is now also unsupported I think) and remove one line from the code. But any drive above that messes up my VR (among other things), so it has to be done.

hey man, I'm trying since weeks to get back to 565 from currently 580
It updated automatically and it seems like I have no choice or way back....

I'm on POP OS (No wayland) and kernel 6.17.9-76061709-generic

Is there actually a way to get back to 565.77? Can you please tell me how?

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Quoting: CaldathrasThat's how Flatpak works. All supporting "tools" have to be in Flatpak as well. While more knowledgeable types might disagree with my simplification, Flatpak is essentially like running an operating system on top of your base operating system. That's why I stopped using flatpaks. The extra space they eat up annoys me. I prefer to stick with the repositories, AppImage files or downloadable installers (.deb, tarballs, etc.),

You'll probably have to install a Flatpak version of GOverlay as well. (FYI, GOverlay is also available in an AppImage. It works with my apt version of Mangohud -- I don't know if it will work with the Flatpak version.)

Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to your pulseaudio latency fix issue. It could be a Flatpak container permissions issue or it could be something else.

thank you very much!
I just can't find a pulseaudio version for flatpak.. and also made sure that pulseaudio socket is activated for lutris in flatseal...

anyway, I have a bigger problem now :S :(
after updating lutris via flatpak update to 0.5.21 it is now not working anymore, at all, not even starting and when

flatpak run net.lutris.Lutris

it shows me:

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/app/bin/lutris", line 68, in <module>
from lutris.gui.application import LutrisApplication
File "/app/lib/python3.13/site-packages/lutris/gui/application.py", line 37, in <module>
from lutris.api import get_runners, parse_installer_url
File "/app/lib/python3.13/site-packages/lutris/api.py", line 20, in <module>
from lutris.util import http, system
File "/app/lib/python3.13/site-packages/lutris/util/http.py", line 41, in <module>
class Request:
...<160 lines>...
return ""
File "/app/lib/python3.13/site-packages/lutris/util/http.py", line 46, in Request
stop_request: threading.Event = None,
^^^^^^^^^
NameError: name 'threading' is not defined. Did you forget to import 'threading'?

also after uninstalling the flatpak lutris and installing it again, still the same..

should have not upgraded.. can I install the 0.5.20 version of lutris again via flatpak?

*EDIT:
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okay, seems to be no problem on my end, phew
https://github.com/flathub/net.lutris.Lutris/issues/523 [External Link]
https://github.com/lutris/lutris/issues/6497 [External Link]

but when trying to rollback flatpak lutris (after figuring it out)
sudo flatpak update --commit=19516c28a17c7beb7dd3505322ee451eb4ae2be55ce7a8a61a99487e81d2ff45 net.lutris.Lutris
it just tells me I have net.lutris.Lutris not installed
I guess I need to wait for 0.5.22
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also I have a problem with nvidia-driver-580 after it has been automatically upgraded via sudo apt upgrade
but it seems like I just cannot install anything else anymore, if I do sudo apt install nvidia-driver-565 (which was working amazing for me) it just installs 580.........

this kinda sucks, I feel like I have no control over my linux..

are there better options for software version control?
I also like just backing up .deb of different versions.. is this the best practice?
can one downgrade flatpaks?

or do I need another distro? maybe NixOS? or what can you guys recommend?

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Quoting: Caldathras

Quoting: memvirusI have Lutris currently installed via apt/ a downloaded .deb
Will installing it via flatpak make a new directory for it?

Yes. Flatpak, being containerized by default, would install its version of Lutris separately from the one installed via apt. Flatpak keeps its file system separate. It shouldn't overlap with apt.

The challenge would be telling the shortcuts (launcher) apart. They'll likely share the same name. Fortunately, you can just rename the shortcut as desired.

Quoting: memvirusOr I just backup my current lutris directory (which ones are the important ones?) and then upgrade - later if I want to have my old downgraded state again, just uninstall, reinstall and restore my backed up directory?

In this case, I would suggest using Flatpak for the latest version and then choosing an earlier version to install via a .deb installer. There should be no need to back up your config files (although it never hurts - they're in hidden folders under your Home folder in multiple locations). I never have and the files & settings have remained while I've bounced back and forth between versions. Not sure how it would work with Flatpak, however. I don't know where that version stores its config files.

Quoting: memvirusalso sadly PopOS seems to be neither in compatible host nor container OS

Not sure exactly what you mean by this, but Pop!_OS is based on Ubuntu. It is listed under Ubuntu in the link you provided. Generally, anything you can do on Ubuntu, you should be able to do on Pop!_OS. It supports .deb installers and LaunchPad PPAs, for example.

Being as you are new to tinkering with Linux, make sure you make a complete backup of your system and data before you start. That way, if something foobars, you'll have something solid to fall back on. Timeshift is effective but my favorite backup tool is Clonezilla (its back-ups are compressed and take less space).

Good luck and have fun.

Thank you very much!
I have installed the most recent flatpak version to give it a try :)
but only one lutris is being displayed in the program overview in popos
and it is not opening flatpak lutris, so when I want to open my old deb lutris I have to write lutris into the terminal right now

also in flatpak there are some "problems" - I guess due to it being containerized
mangohud was not working, but I fixed that by also installing the mangohud flatpak (is it supposed to be fixed like that? or can I link my goverlay mangohud to flatpak lutris? cuz installing mangohud twice is also taking space..)

but my bigger problem which I cannot fix right now: pulseaudio latency fix in lutris is greyed out - I guess because it also cannot find it in the container?

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Quoting: fenglengshun

Quoting: memvirusSo I am asking a noob question:
Is there a way to have two versions of Lutris installed at the same time?

So I can try out just using automatic v0.5.20 but also have v0.5.14 installed if I am not happy and rather have some manual settings?

Yes. Just install through different package managements. Maybe your main is apt, and use Flatpak or Nix in addition to it - both supports downgrading and version pinning.

Distrobox is another option and the one that I recommend - just setup an Arch distrobox with a separate home, maybe add cachyos + chaotic-aur for convenience, and then install whatever you need.

Also, I think Conty comes with Lutris as well. Again, just set up a separate home (well, XDG_CONFIG_HOME and XDG_DATA_HOME) so it doesn't collide with your existing Lutris. Login to Lutris if you want to sync them, maybe.

Thank you. I will take a look but am unsure if it makes it just too complicated.
I have Lutris currently installed via apt/ a downloaded .deb
Will installing it via flatpak make a new directory for it?

Or I just backup my current lutris directory (which ones are the important ones?) and then upgrade - later if I want to have my old downgraded state again, just uninstall, reinstall and restore my backed up directory?

(You see, I'm not so experienced and therefore more manual :D)

Best regards and thanks for the help :)

*Edit:
I really want to try it out, also had CachyOS as idea for my next OS - but am also just happy with my PopOS at the moment, because everything is working and I prefer it to be as stable as possible and just working

But I guess I need another host system

Wisely something immutable?
Like Silverblue or NixOS (have no experience with hem)
and then put my old system (PopOS) in there as container and also set up CachyOS as container?

how would be a fast and smart way to set it up without reproducing everything manually from zero?

I guess I also need to learn some docker? (has also been on my list) because distrobox is based on it? so then docker -> distrobox would run on Silverblue/ NixOS?

And first I need to do some cleanup to get more space on my laptop :D

also sadly PopOS seems to be neither in compatible host nor container OS
https://github.com/89luca89/distrobox/blob/main/docs/compatibility.md#host-distros [External Link]

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I am probably one of the few rare exotic people who actually like to be able to have some manual settings.
(Though I admit it is sometimes consuming more time trying out different Proton, DXVK, VKD3D than actually playing 😅)

That's also why I still am on Lutris v0.5.14

So I am asking a noob question:
Is there a way to have two versions of Lutris installed at the same time?

So I can try out just using automatic v0.5.20 but also have v0.5.14 installed if I am not happy and rather have some manual settings?

*EDIT:
I'm on POP_OS
Is there a possibility to just duplicate and rename Lutris v0.5.14 to for example LutrOs?
and then update the not renamed to v0.5.20?

So I then have Lutris (v0.5.20) and Lutros (v0.5.14) in my program overview?
(got the idea from here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1036337/is-there-way-to-install-two-instances-of-the-same-application [External Link] but am not knowing enough in Linux..)

Any tips and help would be greatly appreciated <3 !

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