Quoting: Mountain ManSo is there a narrative or some sort of goal, or is this one of those games where the only point is to survive as long as possible?

Currently you can pretty much do as you please, but it will eventually add in more features like a Home Base where you can unlock various things.

It seems a big main quest is also planned.

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Honestly, this has been argued to death now and I won't be personally commenting any more. I've said how I feel and no one has said anything at all to change how I feel about it all.

Please feel free to keep going, just make sure I don't have to deal with any reported comments for naughty behaviour ;)

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Quoting: liamdawe@buenaventura, the problem here is that you repeatedly use the same argument too. Your arguments are based on a fantasy world that just doesn't exist.

Liam, I think that if you'd broaden your view a little bit you'd see that most of the arguments he mentioned are maybe not so popular in the type of country you live in but are vastly more popular in other areas and certainly are not based on a fantasy world that does not exist. Philosophers have talked about them and other cultures might have tried a few of them with more or less success.

Quoting: liamdaweIt would be great if everyone could be paid fairly, and people gain access to things without paying if they have zero spare money, but that is not the world we will live when it comes to a hobby like computer games which people are really not entitled to what-so-ever.

Hmm... let's see... Germany's GEMA is basically a cultural flat rate for music consumption. Music is a hobby, isn't it? It also coexists with music being sold and it seems to be working pretty well.

The "access to things without paying" thing might not be true for your world (I don't actually know where you live) but in other parts of the world people have access to things like housing, food, water, even telephones and TV plus many other things if they cannot afford them - provided by the rest of the people. And that's not just in communist countries but e.g. in the market economies of the EU, or in Canada, to name just a few. And culture is considered in some of those countries to be a universal access good. That is also why we have copyright laws - not only to protect the creative creators' rights to what they create but also to ensure that society as a whole participates (i.e. limitation of copyright period, fair use clauses, registration, personal excemptions, etc., etc.)

Let's not discount new/foreign ideas just on the basis of them being "unthinkable" in the environment you grew up. Universal healthcare used to be unthinkable... so was travelling to the moon... the earth not being the center of the world... I guess you get the drift ;)

Okay then, humour me. In what country is it acceptable to take a computer game that you're legally supposed to pay for, without paying for it? The digital vs hard copy for computer games is a pathetic strawman argument used by pirates to try to sway people towards not paying for others hard work. The fact is, if a developer wanted people to not pay, they wouldn't put a price tag on their works. If you argue against that, then I don't consider your opinion to hold very well. People need to earn money to live, it's as simple as that.

Let's remove all other things like water and food which are necessities to live. You cannot lump those together to make this argument, a hobby is completely different.

I have a pretty broad view already, but the counter-arguments I've all seen so far, to repeat myself, are from people wanting a world that as far as I am aware, does not exist.

I'm not talking about things that could be or should be, neither is anyone else, we are laying out our arguments for things as they are in the world right now.

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Quoting: boltronicsMy understanding was that OpenGL wouldn't be releasing new versions, and will just be adding extensions.

No, OpenGL isn't in maintenance mode yet. Khronos made it very clear that the Vulkan launch didn't mean OpenGL would stop evolving. There will be new extensions, and any deemed fit for core will be pulled into or influence future versions of the spec, same as always. Unless you've heard otherwise?

I have no doubt development focus has shifted towards Vulkan though. Some smart Vulkan-based abstraction libraries or shims could basically make OpenGL (not ES) irrelevant at some point, but Vulkan need to mature a bit for this to happen.

Probably referring to this speculative piece from phoronix: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mesa-OpenGL-Version-Spoiler [External Link]

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Quoting: jkaartSuper cheap?!
5,99€ + paypal takes 2,50€...

And Steam has sold this 2,99€...

For me, it's about half the price Steam has it for right now, so yes, I consider that pretty damn cheap for a game that didn't cost much to begin with for us.

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Quoting: Salvatos

$2,750M

They're asking for two point seven thousand million dollars!?

Woops, fixed.

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Quoting: boltronics> Hopefully once the last OpenGL 4.4 part is finished, the developers can then focus on performance edge cases.

Not exactly. If you look down the bottom of https://mesamatrix.net/ [External Link] there's still a bunch of extensions that need implementing. There's also OpenGL ES 3.2 support which is missing three extensions. And of course improving Vulkan conformance is probably the biggest priority.

Still, it's both amazing and awesome that we are at a point where we are even having this discussion. :)

While you're right, that's a different point entirely here. I'm talking OpenGL main spec, not assorted extensions that don't belong to a particular version. As for OpenGL ES, as far as I am aware that's more for mobiles, not desktop which is what we focus on here.

Anyway, OpenGL ES 3.2 is quite close to being 100% on AMD too, looks like only three bits remain for basic full compatibility.

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@buenaventura, the problem here is that you repeatedly use the same argument too. Your arguments are based on a fantasy world that just doesn't exist.

I'm also not telling anyone to "buzz off" as you put it, if that was the case, the comments would have been closed the moment the article was put up in a case of "my opinion is what matters" when it doesn't, it's my opinion. I am genuinely interested in others views, so I can attempt to understand why people feel utterly entitled to the hard work of others for free without giving them anything in return. I am still, sadly, not any wiser about it. It's the same repeating argument from the same types of people longing for a different world to what we live in.

It would be great if everyone could be paid fairly, and people gain access to things without paying if they have zero spare money, but that is not the world we will live when it comes to a hobby like computer games which people are really not entitled to what-so-ever.

I don't remember who it was, but someone used my Patreon as a counter-argument to my own article here. Claiming I would make everyone pay $5 to read the content based on my views. That's insanity, we're talking about two completely different mediums, you can't throw all funding types into the same basket for different things. Not to mention how dumb an idea that is for a niche website like GOL.

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Quoting: scaineBut this article isn't about piracy. It's about buying dodgy keys, knowing that they're dodgy, knowing that the porting house won't see a penny, then complaining that this article made them feel guilty for it. That is sheer entitlement, and that's what made me laugh. The straight up rationalisation the "boo hoo" of it all. By all means, buy from where you like, that's your prerogative. But don't spout on public forums about how doing so is your right (as a human??) because you're entitled to experience everything that's ever made... because <mumble> culture <something>.

Just needed to quote this again to give it some more light, because never has a hammer hit the nail on the head so damn hard.

People complaining about seeing this sort of stuff on GOL, it's an Editorial (an opinion piece) on my own website where it seems the vast majority actually agree with me on it, go figure.

This sort of stuff will be posted on GOL in future, because I personally feel it's important to highlight, especially given the recent spate of increased pro-piracy comments on GOL which to be frank, piss me right off. This is a pro-legal website, that should have been clear since day-1 of us opening given our content.

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Quoting: Comandante oardoFeral already has been paid out by Warner, so We don't have to give a single cent to them...
Unless that Feral acquired the publishing rights for Mac and Linux...
If that is the case, yes, they deserve money for job...and We deserve a refund if they did a bad job.

Like Edwin said, Feral are the publisher for all of their games. That alone should have told you it was not Feral being paid off, likely the other way around. Which is another reason I have a lot of respect for what Feral do. They seem to be the ones actively going to these publishers and developers for the ports (a lot of these ports are games people have highly requested too, like this one!).

On top of that they are active in the community, have helped with drivers and so on.

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